  IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | And there you have it... Hey AT&T! You're not fooling anybody with this congestion BS. Just level with us and tell us the bosses all want a new Ferrari.
I saw a Verizon crew in my neighborhood in DC running fiber and asked if they were doing Fios installs. They said yes and that we'll likely have Fios this summer!
--
"We're going to start at one end of (Fallujah), and we're not going to stop until we get to the other. If there's anybody left when that happens, we're going to turn around and we're going to go back and finish it."
Lt. Col. Pete Newell: 1st Inf. US Army | |
|
 | | | Re: And there you have it... AT&T owns part of the backbone. | |
|
| | IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | Re: And there you have it... What backbone? | |
|
| |  FBGuyPremium
join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL | The government owns the backbone. AT&T only maintains it. | |
|
| | | | | Re: And there you have it... said by FBGuy:The government owns the backbone. AT&T only maintains it.
uh no.. | |
|
| | | |  DarkLogixTexan and ProudPremium
join:2008-10-23
Baytown, TX
kudos:3 | Re: And there you have it... the backbone is owned by multiple major ISP's and web sites
their isn't jsut one back bone and its more of a web | |
|
| | | | |  dru
join:2000-09-14
Corona, CA | Re: And there you have it... said by DarkLogix:the backbone is owned by multiple major ISP's and web sites
their isn't jsut one back bone and its more of a web
That is true, but irrelevant. While the internet has lots of competition, broadband access to most homes in America is through one of a handful of companies who are either ILEC (Incumbent telco) or MSO (cable companies).
The FCC has embraced an oligarchy of residential ISPs over true competition. The dupoly of cable vs dsl was deemed enough competition, even though with telcos having monopolized territory, and franchise agreements for cable companies, consumers have no choice in broadband providers other than frick vs frack. Overbuilding is possible, and alternates such as municipal broadband or wireless projects are possible, but almost without exeception, the telcos use every trick in the book (including Astroturf campaigns) to thwart any serious alternative.
There was a lot of discussion recently after Egypt and other countries turned their internet "off - like a switch" and how could that be? Well, when you have a state-owned telco they control nearly all the residents. Sure, there are workaround including international dialup. It's unthinkable that we could have that here in the US, but it is more than theoretically possible for the government to declare an emergency and matter of national security, make a handful of calls (less than 10) and block a given site, service, or technology for 90% of the country within a very short time. | |
|
| | | | FBGuyPremium
join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL | uh yea. they own the fiber maybe not the routers. | |
|
| | | | | | | Re: And there you have it... Again no.
Where are you getting this idea? | |
|
| | | dru
join:2000-09-14
Corona, CA | You're kidding, right?
There are a number of independent Tier 1 backbones, including XO, Level3, Global Crossing, NTT Verio, Sprint, and many few have even heard of. AT&T and Verizon have both acquired several independent tier 1 networks over the years. AT&T has the original AT&T network, plus SBC, BellSouth, etc, Verizon rolled up MCI, uunet, Genuity, and others over their years.
The openness and competition in the backbone isn't the problem. There is enough competition and independence at the backbone exchanges around the country. Nobody controls the backbone, but that doesn't mean consumers should not be concerned by AT&T's move.
Thanks to corporate welfare and generosity by the FCC, the government owns nothing and controls none of the backbone or last mile access, they gave it away to their favorite sons.
Here IS the problem: 5 companies (AT&T, Verizon, Time Warner, Quest, Comcast) control a huge percentage (90%+ and growing) of broadband connectivity to residences in the US. If those 5 all got together and uniformly implemented metered service or caps, most of America, and companies like Netflix could be screwed overnight (or go back to red envelopes and machines)
Today's news story is right.... these caps are never effective when implemented by one company. But don't be shocked if these guys are conducting summit meetings at a retreat on some Caribbean island as I write this. AT&T may have drawn the short straw to publicly announce caps and metered service on wireline broadband.
Consider that 150/250 gigbytes seems almost insanely generous until you calculate the number of 1 hour HD programs or 2 hour movies it takes to get there.
All of the telcos and cable cos are extremely nervous by the rapid shift from cable and satellite subscription services to streaming internet delivery. Americans are doing something today that the bumbling FCC couldn't achieve - al la carte services and pricing. Services that have no online accessibility like HDNet, Stars, HBO, risk becoming obsolete and in decline. And now you have Netflix, Amazon, and others bypassing their own pay-per-view cash cows via their "unlimited internet" which is usually priced as a loss leader to make bundles look attractive.
Wait until the wall street guys figure this out.
| |
|
| | | | | | Re: And there you have it... Collusion to fix prices in this country (USA) is illegal. I think public perception on this issue is winning. Look what is happening in Canada. | |
|
| | | | | | | Re: And there you have it... The opposite is true in Canada. Collusion is the norm, our internet service is worst than almost all the third world countries. | |
|
| | | | | | Actually now TWO companies are doing it the biggest cableco and the biggest telco.
And since they operate by region, in some regions you will have the choice of one capped company-or the other capped company. | |
|
| | | | | dru
join:2000-09-14
Corona, CA | Re: And there you have it... said by qworster:Actually now TWO companies are doing it the biggest cableco and the biggest telco.
And since they operate by region, in some regions you will have the choice of one capped company-or the other capped company.
Absolutely.... and people in those areas have no choice but to live with capped service.
It will be interesting to see how the FCC weighs in on this....but someone in Washinton will claim "yes, competition is alive, people can still rent as many on-demand movies from their cable provider as they want."
OK, so that's $3.99 each vs $10 from Netflix for as many as I want, but I have to watch the meter to make sure I don't hit the cap...... ?!? | |
|
| | | | | | | | Re: And there you have it... I keep asking this, nobody ever answers. Does anyone know if Netflix pays the film industry any $$ for every download? Seems like the visual Napster. | |
|
| | | | Core0000Premium
join:2008-05-04
Somerset, KY Reviews:
 ·Time Warner Cable
| You know what you just said, reminded me so much of Atlas shrugged, in how things went with the multiple train companies at the beginning of the book, that its not even funny. *Sighs*
Verizon is leading the way trying to innovate, and you have all of these other companies that, rather than trying to advance, or bring new services.. they are sticks in the mud just trying to hold on to the old ways... generally speaking. | |
|
| | |  ropeguruPremium
join:2001-01-25
Mechanicsville, VA | Huh? | |
|
| |  kamm
join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY | Just stop it, you clearly don't have a clue about the topic, | |
|
|  DC DSLThere's a reason I'm Command.Premium
join:2000-07-30
Washington, DC
kudos:2
 ·Covad Communicat..
·Verizon Online DSL
| said by IPPlanMan:I saw a Verizon crew in my neighborhood in DC running fiber and asked if they were doing Fios installs. They said yes and that we'll likely have Fios this summer!
What's your neighborhood? I'm in western Dupont Circle...we keep hearing late 2012 as the absolutely earliest possible availability, but more likely not until 2014-15, which is when they are required to have it here.
--
"Keep calm and carry on." | |
|
| | IPPlanManHoly Cable Modem Batman
join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1 | Re: And there you have it... I'm in the Northeast area of Dupont. I saw the Verizon crew running fiber on 18th St. NW while walking around. | |
|
| | | | I'm in the same general location, and I've heard the same thing. There's also no Fios in the city. It's all in the suburbs in NoVa and Maryland... | |
|
| | | DC DSLThere's a reason I'm Command.Premium
join:2000-07-30
Washington, DC
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Covad Communicat..
·Verizon Online DSL
| Re: And there you have it... said by jjeffeory:There's also no Fios in the city. It's all in the suburbs in NoVa and Maryland...
There actually is FiOS in the District, but the way the agreement with the city was worked out, the highest-income neighborhoods such as Dupont/West End/Georgetown can't have it until a bunch of the historically low-on-the-list-or-forgotten-altogether ones not only have it available but have also reached designated take rates.
--
"Keep calm and carry on." | |
|
| | | | | | Re: And there you have it... Oye, well that sounds familiar. and sucks, cause Comcast's PQ sucks, but their data speeds are ok for me. | |
|
| |  CuchulainnThe Roar of the Masses Could be Farts
join:2000-11-09
Chevy Chase, MD | We've had FiOS in MoCo for four plus years now. I love DC - have lived there most of my life - but between the crap schools, even-crappier public services and the persistent gubmint kleptocracy I had to leave. You want FiOs? Move. | |
|
| | | Saw the huge fios pole installed in front of my home 5 months ago. A couple of days ago they had 2 vans working on it. Still waiting but hoping someday soon. | |
|
| | | yes this whole thing is a crock of BS and i hope many ddrop ATT and show them we aren't gonna take it.
LIERS !!! | |
|
 jmn1207Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1 | Uh Oh I wish you would have edited the article to make it more "Geek"-proof. With every Verizon article comes the 30 thread rant about Karlgate and his secret plan to rule the world through Verizon. (NOT Verizon Wireless!)   | |
|
| |
| | Good for them AT&T and Comcast could use another PR black eye | |
|
| | | Re: Good for them How many eyes to they have ? They already seem to be quite black already. | |
|
| | The only real way for the U.S. broadband market to shift... The first sentence is just untrue. I have the choice between only ATT and Comcast where I am moving soon, and this is a step up from the Comcast only option I am currently enjoying. ISPs can do whatever they want unilaterally and in many to most cases, their captive audience won't have any choice but to grin and bear it. | |
|
| | that is funny stuff bc there used to be DSL is getting caps that is some funny stuff bc there used to be dsl is getting caps what they think they wont put caps on there fios in the future? | |
|
| |
| |
 OneEye
join:2006-04-15
Peachtree City, GA | CAPS Are there any honest Senators or Representatives in Congress that will deny the lobbyist money and help citizens get a fair deal from DSL providers?
How about removing all restrictions on competing DSL providers stringing fiber wherever they wish and allowing users to vote with their wallets.
Remove all monopolistic protections. | |
|
|  kontosxyzzy
join:2001-10-04
West Henrietta, NY | Re: CAPS said by OneEye:How about removing all restrictions on competing DSL providers stringing fiber wherever they wish and allowing users to vote with their wallets.
Remove all monopolistic protections.
That was the Communications Act of 1996. You can go start your own phone or cable company today. You still have to go get permits and such to do the build-out, bot so do the big boys. You need a bunch of $$$$ too, that will be the harder part. | |
|
|  AlcoholPremium
join:2003-05-26
Climax, MI
kudos:3 | said by OneEye:any honest Senators or Representatives in Congress
Thanks for the laugh. | |
|
| jcremin
join:2009-12-22
Siren, WI
kudos:2 | said by OneEye:How about removing all restrictions on competing providers stringing fiber wherever they wish and allowing users to vote with their wallets.
Remove all monopolistic protections.
I've been saying that for a long time too. It pisses me off when I see another stupid lawsuit from a large company who is just trying to drain the new projects funding before it even gets started.
Many say regulate how the ISP's sell their product, but I say that the regulations should block lawsuits and make it easier for new competitors to bring their service to market. Stop giving the big companies any federal funding and spend it on promoting competition instead. | |
|
| | Verizon should give Verizon the memo Verizon is also pushing LTE as a home broadband solution for "underserved" areas, and LTE definitely comes with caps and overages.
Maybe the division of Verizon that is touting an unlimited free for all with FiOS should talk to the other division that claims that they need caps and overages to manage the network...
Just remember who said this:
quote:
“The problem we have today with flat-based usage is that you are trying to encourage customers to be efficient in use and applications but you are getting some people who are bandwidth hogs using gigabytes a month and they are paying something like megabytes a month. That isn’t long-term sustainable. Why should customers using an average amount of bandwidth be subsidizing bandwidth hogs?”
| |
|
|  SabreDi relung hatiku bernyanyi bidadari
join:2005-05-17 | Re: Verizon should give Verizon the memo Remember that the mantra is "Wireless is different." | |
|
| | Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | Re: Verizon should give Verizon the memo said by Sabre:Remember that the mantra is "Wireless is different."
It really is different and that is exactly why it should not be the basis of a national broadband plan in any first world (or second world) country. | |
|
OneEye
join:2006-04-15
Peachtree City, GA | It's Time... It's time for the largest content providers on the Internet to join together and bankroll the development of a truly independent network. (Google, Netflix, Amazon, etc.).
If they don't, the day is coming when their business model will be strangled by the existing ISPs. | |
|
|
See 8 replies to this post |
|
 VanPremium
join:2009-07-08
New Orleans, LA | Verizon offered unlimited on the iPhone but not for long Verizon offers unlimited on that new LTE phone but admits not for long
Verizon offers unlimited on FiOS....but not for long...they WILL go metered at some point
I have FiOS too and love it | |
|
| | | Re: Verizon offered unlimited on the iPhone but not for long They claim they use smart network management to punish the heaviest users and they "optimize" videos to alleviate congestion.
Which is worse, IMO. | |
|
| | Fair and Balanced OMG, Verizon condones ebook piracy !!!!!!!1111 | |
|
| | | Re: Fair and Balanced lol | |
|
 alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA |  It's all about the Last Mile.....FTTH Wins!
| |
|
| | | Re: It's all about the Last Mile.....FTTH Wins! No no no. We will implement caps and overages and put the genie back in the bottle. | |
|
| | | said by alchav:I told you guys years ago, Verizon Wins with FTTH. Like the article says, Verizon's investment in FTTH let's them handle the Gluttons with more easy. When people start using and wanting more Bandwidth, Verizon can sell their High End Products and people will want it and pay good money. In order for the other Companies to catch up they will have to invest in FTTH.
Uh... Verizon doesn't cap their DSL service either. In fact, no one does. | |
|
| |  amarryatVerizon FiOS
join:2005-05-02
Marshfield, MA
 ·Verizon FiOS
| Re: It's all about the Last Mile.....FTTH Wins! said by sonicmerlin:Uh... Verizon doesn't cap their DSL service either. In fact, no one does.
Probably because with DSL speeds, it would be impossible to reach the cap. | |
|
| | | Sure they win. But where?
Not in most of the country, and soon not in the areas they sold off to Frontier. | |
|
|  djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
kudos:1 | FTTH has nothing to do with why Verizon has no caps on DSL, and AT&T wants a 150GB cap in the same place. Nice try, though.
--
AT&T U-Hearse - RIP Unlimited Internet 1995-2011
Rethink Billable.
| |
|
 antdudeA Ninja AntPremium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
United State
kudos:4 | ... I want FIOS in my neighborhood, Verizon.  | |
|
| | FIOS rules Best triple play service to date. Suck it AT&T. | |
|
 jsinaikoPremium
join:2001-04-25
Chicago, IL | Verizon in Chicago? When will Verizon and FIOS come to Chicago (if ever)? All of our major providers have caps - AT&T, Comcast, and even RCN which isn't available in my area anyhow.
Pathetic.
--
Illegitimati non carborundum
| |
|
|
| jcremin
join:2009-12-22
Siren, WI
kudos:2 | Re: An idea said by zeddlar:why don't we just try this.
advertise your service speed at that speed with the words "or faster" after that. Same reason that cars aren't advertised as $50,000, or less! But when you see "Starting at $22,000", it looks like the car is less than half the price, even if the average model ends up going for $40,000.
Consumers (as a whole) are fairly ignorant and most just fall for what the marketing tells them. Many don't understand what the speeds mean in the first place, so they'll just choose the provider that advertises the highest number. | |
|
| | Verizon: No Plans To Meter Usage AT&T wanted to go against progress. South Korea talking about deploying Gigabit broadband to all housewhole by the end of 2012.
AT&T wanted the US consumers to back with dialup. That's ashamed.
The only thing they care about is $$$. The don't care about customer satisfaction at all. By capping user's broadband they will lose all their customers.
Bravo!!! Verizon FIOS not to follow AT&T
In what country are we? Are we in a 3rd world or 1st world country?
Poeple stop using AT&T!!! move Verizon FIOS or other unlimited broadband ISPs!!! | |
|
| | | Re: Verizon: No Plans To Meter Usage OMG !!!! South Korea condones ebook piracy. Bomb them !
/Fair and Balanced
/sarcasm | |
|
JBond69
join:2011-03-17
Silver Spring, MD | AT&T wanted to go against progress. South Korea talking about deploying Gigabit broadband to all housewhole by the end of 2012.
AT&T wanted the US consumers to go back with dial up. That's ashamed.
The only thing they care about is $$$. They don't care about customers satisfaction at all. By capping user's broadband they will lose all their customers.
Bravo!!! Verizon FIOS not to follow AT&T
In what country are we? Are we in a 3rd world or 1st world country?
People stop using AT&T!!! move to Verizon FIOS or other unlimited broadband ISPs!!! | |
|
| |
|
| | Happy to see at least one telecommunication company left with honesty! Wish they could come to Cleveland/Lakewood area. However, didn'y AT&T make the same statement with Uverse at some point?.... | |
|
Reviews:
·Comcast
 ·Comcast Digital ..
| I smell shit in this story. Verizon: No PLANS to Meter Usage. Of course they don't have any PLANS to do it. However, Comcast is doing it, AT&T is doing it. Verizon is not going to stand by and not get more $$$.
Verizon is lulling people to sleep and then they will begin their cap nightmare. "Get your services through Verizon. We don't cap because it is not in our PLANS."
A year later: Due to the overwhelming demand for our products, we have to implement caps. Right, it's not in the PLAN.
--
A citizen of The United States of Amnesia. How quickly we forget. | |
|
|  BHNtechXpertBHN StaffPremium,VIP
join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
kudos:82 | Re: Karl, did you check under your shoes? said by fatmanskinny:I smell shit in this story. Verizon: No PLANS to Meter Usage. Of course they don't have any PLANS to do it. However, Comcast is doing it, AT&T is doing it. Verizon is not going to stand by and not get more $$$.
Verizon is lulling people to sleep and then they will begin their cap nightmare. "Get your services through Verizon. We don't cap because it is not in our PLANS."
A year later: Due to the overwhelming demand for our products, we have to implement caps. Right, it's not in the PLAN.
LOL!! You know Verizon well....sooo predictable they are 
--
"I can’t give you a surefire formula for success, but I can give you a formula for failure: try to please everybody all the time."
~ Herbert Bayard Swope | |
|
| |
| | Kamus
join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX | Re: Karl, did you check under your shoes? Well, it's too bad consumers are going to have to pay the price of their little "experiment", but it does look like it's going to happen very, very soon.
One needs to look no further than the corporate shills in various websites (including this one) warning that "UBB IS comming" before anyone even jumped on the UBB bandwagon.
I don't think they like how their way of doing business is facing extinction.
However, prices for FTTH are ever dropping, and as expensive as it is to deploy it, the US is not the most wealthy country in the world for nothing.
Eventually, someone would take advantage of the situation and start rolling out a competitive internet service that isn't crippled.
But until that day, consumers get exploited like they haven't been since the good old POTS days.
Technology advances have been almost the only reason all those money grabs stopped being possible in the first place, and progress isn't stopping there, it's taking no prisoners. | |
|
| | Reviews:
·Comcast
·Comcast Digital ..
| said by djrobx:said by fatmanskinny:I smell shit in this story. Verizon: No PLANS to Meter Usage. Of course they don't have any PLANS to do it. However, Comcast is doing it, AT&T is doing it. Verizon is not going to stand by and not get more $$$. Correct. Each major ISP needs to wait a year or two before taking their turn at having their way with us. Otherwise they'd be guilty of gang rape collusion. ROFLMAO. I have tears in my eyes from laughing so hard.
--
A citizen of The United States of Amnesia. How quickly we forget. | |
|
| | | TH ATS RIGHT. right now they re very busy RAMMING fiber into American homes along with their TV service and nice plush box rental fees and other fees. They dont want to derail this effort. Lets get fiber into most homes and get those homes off the copper line. Since competing carriers are not allowed on fiber once we get a home OFF the copper we will not reconnect it to copper and squash that competition . Then we can lower the boom here's our caps spread them and enjoy. And this WILL spread to all carriers the share holders will LOVE it !!!! and the sad part is most people will do NOTHING but just take it.
said by fatmanskinny:I smell shit in this story. Verizon: No PLANS to Meter Usage. Of course they don't have any PLANS to do it. However, Comcast is doing it, AT&T is doing it. Verizon is not going to stand by and not get more $$$.
Verizon is lulling people to sleep and then they will begin their cap nightmare. "Get your services through Verizon. We don't cap because it is not in our PLANS."
A year later: Due to the overwhelming demand for our products, we have to implement caps. Right, it's not in the PLAN.
| |
|
|
|
·
·