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Comments on news posted 2011-04-01 17:12:53: Verizon has been conducting 100 Gigabit core network trials with Siemens, Alcatel-Lucent and Nortel for some time, and today issued a statement stating that "selected segments" of its U.S. ..


Camelot One
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In the meantime...

AT&T will continue to milk their aging copper by adding caps to their service, and continuing to offer sub-par speeds.

I need to move back to Verizon territory.
openbox9
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Re: In the meantime...

I hope you realize that this upgrade isn't remotely related to last mile copper, regardless of who's deploying it.
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

Re: In the meantime...

Very true!

batterup
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Re: In the meantime...

said by jjeffeory:

Very true!

Well why don't you lease a dedicated line with the speed you require to the large non sticky tubes. Bloomberg does it. Just for giggles I called Cablevision about getting "Lightpath" (FTTP) to my house. No problem pay $2,500 to run the glass 9,000 feet from Verizon's CO and then the monthly charge for as fast as I want to go.

It is not a lack of bandwidth it is you want if for free; sorry there is no free lunch.
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Re: In the meantime...

said by batterup:

Well why don't you lease a dedicated line with the speed you require to the large non sticky tubes. Bloomberg does it. Just for giggles I called Cablevision about getting "Lightpath" (FTTP) to my house. No problem pay $2,500 to run the glass 9,000 feet from Verizon's CO and then the monthly charge for as fast as I want to go.

It is not a lack of bandwidth it is you want if for free; sorry there is no free lunch.

$2500 to run fiber 9000 feet? That's a screaming deal, I'd jump on it. Seriously.

battleop

join:2005-09-28
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Re: In the meantime...

Maybe, maybe not. What's the MRC and for how long?

SpottedCat

join:2004-06-27
Miami, FL
$2500 for a 2 mile fiber run, dedicated to you? WTF are you waiting for? What are the monthly costs once you're hooked up, for, say, 30 megabits symmetric?

batterup
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Re: In the meantime...

said by SpottedCat:

$2500 for a 2 mile fiber run, dedicated to you? WTF are you waiting for? What are the monthly costs once you're hooked up, for, say, 30 megabits symmetric?

The funny thing is Cablevision's Lightpath closest POP is Hackettstown. What they would do is run it into Verizon's CO and I assume lease a line to their backbone.

This is not a residential line it is a big bucks leased line with guaranteed bandwidth 24/7 plus a guaranteed up time of 99.999 or something %. This is not new Verizon has been offering this since they were New Jersey Bell. Just have DEEP pockets.

I can't put a price on this but the least expensive would be a point to point and I don't have another point to connect to. I would have to negotiate with a backbone provider for a peering arraignment. This is not like a turn key FiOS install.

Put in your address;
»www.optimumlightpath.com/
you may get this.

quote:
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Don't miss this opportunity to take advantage of savings up to 50% on voice and data services.

Please provide your remaining contact information so one of our communication specialists can follow up with you within the next few business days.

If you'd like to speak with us right away, please call 1-888-561-0177.

heat84
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said by openbox9:

I hope you realize that this upgrade isn't remotely related to last mile copper, regardless of who's deploying it.

You missed the point of what they said.

Someone remind why AT&T thinks their milk copper strategy is gonna work. Everything will be wireless in the future, so why bother with last mile fiber? Is that it?
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batterup
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Re: In the meantime...

said by heat84:

Everything will be wireless in the future, so why bother with last mile fiber? Is that it?

Oh no. FTTP is top shelf broadband. No fuss, no muss; my glass, all mine.

heat84
Bit Torrent Apologist

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Fort Lauderdale, FL

Re: In the meantime...

said by batterup:

said by heat84:

Everything will be wireless in the future, so why bother with last mile fiber? Is that it?

Oh no. FTTP is top shelf broadband. No fuss, no muss; my glass, all mine.

No. Its standard broadband. Except in the United States.
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iansltx

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Re: In the meantime...

...and a lot of countries. Basically France, some tightly-backed eastern European countries, Hong Kong, South Korea and Japan have lots of FTTH...and everyone else doesn't.
openbox9
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I didn't miss the point. The backbone, what this article is about, has no relation to the last mile whether it be copper, fiber, or wireless. You don't think that AT&T isn't planning core network upgrades?

Camelot One
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Re: In the meantime...

Actually you did. I was referring more to the general mentality of Verizon planning for the future, while AT&T is stuck in the past. Their lousy last mile speed offerings (compared to VZ) are due to the copper, but the new caps are due entirely to backbone limits. (or at least their claim of backbone limits)
openbox9
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Re: In the meantime...

Backbone limitations aren't an issue. AT&T's backbone is just fine and will be incrementally upgraded no differently than Verizon's, or any other tier one provider's.

Debating last mile infrastructure upgrades or planning isn't related to backbone upgrades, regardless of the provider. How much copper does Verizon still have in its plant?
public

join:2002-01-19
Santa Clara, CA
said by heat84:

Everything will be wireless in the future, so why bother with last mile fiber? Is that it?

There is not enough spectrum to make wireless the prime broadband medium.

guitarjohn

@sbcglobal.net
FIOS does't use copper, that would be U-Verse. I just wonder what upgrades to their consumer svc they're getting ready to deploy that will require such a backbone upgrade. I bet it will blow U-Verse out of the water!

battleop

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"AT&T will continue to milk their aging copper by adding caps to their service, and continuing to offer sub-par speeds."

Please explain how that even remotley has anything to do with this article.

pende_tim
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Andover, NJ
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Junpiers?

Hope they work better on the backbone than they do as routers on the DSL network.
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DarkLogix
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Re: Junpiers?

said by pende_tim:

Hope they work better on the backbone than they do as routers on the DSL network.

how they work better in the backbone than as 48 port gig switches or as nat devices

hope they work pieriod
xenophon

join:2007-09-17

Re: Junpiers?

they already did it for Paris to Frankfurt.
34764170

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Etobicoke, ON
said by DarkLogix:

said by pende_tim:

Hope they work better on the backbone than they do as routers on the DSL network.

how they work better in the backbone than as 48 port gig switches or as nat devices

hope they work pieriod

Nice troll posts.

A very significant portion of the Internet's traffic at the carrier backbone levels for various Tier 1/2 carriers (and smaller) and edge routing uses Juniper routers and they work fine. Yes, there are bugs in JunOS from time to time... its not like Cisco's IOS doesn't have a bug or 100.

batterup
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said by pende_tim:

Hope they work better on the backbone than they do as routers on the DSL network.

"Routers on the DSL network"; slowly I turn, step by step...

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCbXl-BR···=related

pende_tim
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Re: Junpiers?

NM

batterup
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Re: Junpiers?

said by pende_tim:

NM

Have you been to X-Ray's yet?
xenophon

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Nice timing for Google Net in KC

That's nice timing to tie into Google's 1Gb net (Gnet?) in KC. Only one segment though. Would hope they upgrade the KC-Chicago link in next phase.

FFH
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Re: Nice timing for Google Net in KC

said by xenophon:

That's nice timing to tie into Google's 1Gb net (Gnet?) in KC. Only one segment though. Would hope they add a KC-Chicago link in next rollout.

Gets one to wondering if maybe Verizon was tipped off ahead of time to Google's Kansas City decision.
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xenophon

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Re: Nice timing for Google Net in KC

I was looking for VZ network map and couldn't find it. I did find this though, which shows a few dozen backbone maps. KC has a bunch of segments coming in from well more than half of them, geez. Couldn't find VZ map though. Wonder if all those trunks had anything to do with Google decision.

»www.telecomramblings.com/network···sources/

Anyone know of a VZ map?

FFH
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Re: Nice timing for Google Net in KC

said by xenophon:

I was looking for VZ network map and couldn't find it. I did find this though, which shows a few dozen backbone maps. KC has a bunch of segments coming in from well more than half of them, geez. Couldn't find VZ map though. Wonder if all those trunks had anything to do with Google decision.

»www.telecomramblings.com/network···sources/

Anyone know of a VZ map?

»www.verizonbusiness.com/about/ne···/map.xml
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xenophon

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Re: Nice timing for Google Net in KC

Yeah, saw that. It's the international map, not the US map.

FFH
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Re: Nice timing for Google Net in KC

said by xenophon:

Yeah, saw that. It's the international map, not the US map.

After much searching, I can only see the international Verizon map no matter what link is followed. Maybe until very recently, Verizon leased their backbone connections within the US from other providers.
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espaeth
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Re: Nice timing for Google Net in KC

said by FFH:

said by xenophon:

Yeah, saw that. It's the international map, not the US map.

After much searching, I can only see the international Verizon map no matter what link is followed. Maybe until very recently, Verizon leased their backbone connections within the US from other providers.

The backbone map is a bit of a mess as they're still working to merge AS701 (Legacy MCI/UUNet) and AS702 (Legacy Verizon).
ashworth7

join:2001-10-06
Pittsburgh, PA
I think VZ had this in the works for awhile and this "backbone"/longhaul network has nothing to with a local network(KC).

DarkLogix
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how about houston

come on give houston more
horseshoe
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Read carefully

The size -1 font small print in where this is going to be available will be interesting to read.

OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH

Re: Read carefully

Moron, and everyone else that thinks this means anything related to consumer service being provided is misinformed. This will be wait i think the article said it, backbone transport! Northing to do with FIOS or any of that short of possibly used to transport between megaPOPs
horseshoe
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Re: Read carefully

Goose,
Read your Moron generalization, but you spelled Northing like a Moron would.

espaeth
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Completely unrelated to anything end-users will see

This article may as well be about UPS buying bigger planes for its cargo operations. The average customer doesn't care if UPS has to fly 1 or 2 planes from Memphis to Minneapolis to meet the delivery demand for the day, however, flying fewer, bigger, planes makes the logistics operation significantly easier for UPS to manage.

This is all about efficiency at the carrier level, and has no visible impact on end-user services.

(It's huge for the carriers in how they manage their operations, however, hence the press release)

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tmc8080

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lost in translation...

those faster backbone speeds don't actually mean the customer gets faster tiers availabe right away.. if anything a speed test going across the country will be closer to your rated tier.. for example.. I can get 30 megabits down and 17 up on a speed test in NY-Flordia.. on a 25/25 tier from Verizon. With their provisioning it's usually 30/26-29 on a LOCAL route.. these backbone speeds will extend that upstream to higher caps and not as constrained in the backbone.

Still, Verizon can be more confident in pushing 50/50 instead of 50/20.. We might get back to symmetric tiers once again. Maybe even see 150/150? Force comcast to put up or shut up about docsis 3 channel bonding?

Perhaps Verizon knows there are Achilles' heels in offering faster upload speeds in that the upstream gets "expensive" if you don't OWN the upgraded segments so they are building these segments as a preventative step to saving money in the long run..

If memory serves.. Verzion was implementing & testing 100 GIG-E central office to central office routes along the east coast.. from Virginia to NY, DC (you can guess why DC is involved, not for the residential customer but fulfilling MCI Worldcom's government contract side).

Now for the Fanstasy (goal for 2012 before the summer Olympics with full tier routes to the UK).... 15/5 becomes 50/20
50/20 becomes 75/75... and 150/35 becomes 150/150

Summary: 50/50, 75/75, 150/150
that's gonna make cablemodem 15/2, 30/5, 50/15, 101/(15-20) look slow.

jadebangle
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Re: lost in translation...

i rather have 50/10
or 100/20
or 50/5
or 100/10

sorry symmetric is beginning to suck for me
i rather have 50/10 over 25/25
or 100/10 over 50/20
i download a lot more then i upload
so it is really useless for 99.99 percent of us home user
for business then symmetric speed make sense.
Expand your moderator at work

jackoffjill

@windstream.net

Nobody realy knows

How do you know at&t doesn't all ready have a gb backbone? There is no telling what those sneaky at&t people have up there sleeves for you consumers.
majortom1029

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Lindenhurst, NY
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wow

So when will they stop offering businesses bonded t-1's instead of direct fiber?

At work we went to get a quote and they offered us bonded t1's when lightpath and long island fiber offered us 20/20 fiber and 100/100 fiber. The sad part is we have a direct fiber line right to verizons co and they still offered only bonded t-1's.

fcisler
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Riverhead, NY

Re: wow

Your "direct line" may be part of a loop (OCx) and may be at capacity. If you couldn't get VZ to offer you a drop off of that then its at capacity or your not talking to the right person.