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Comments on news posted 2011-06-23 09:37:35: Back in 2008 we noted how the RIAA was planning to ditch their scorched earth legal assault against P2P users, and replace it with a "graduated response" or three strikes approach, wherein users who repeatedly engaged in copyright infringement receiv.. ..

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Chiyo
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Suspected = guilty no matter what

a suspected pirate may be allowed to visit only the top 200 Web sites until they stop illegal file sharing.
Totally unfair until you've got hard proof of me "pirating" I'm a paying customer and the ISP shouldn't be able to tell me what I can and can't visit because they suspect me of being a pirate.
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said by Chiyo:

the ISP shouldn't be able to tell me what I can and can't visit because they suspect me of being a pirate.

Their TOS already gives them that right.

It was inevitable that the ISPs got onboard with discouraging copyright infringement. They are the ones in the best position to be enforcement cops. The MPAA & RIAA are helping cover the costs. And the White House is backing the agreement. It isn't three strikes, but ISPs will take actions against violators they feel is appropriate.
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TamaraB
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A Business opportunity

I see a real business opportunity here for the VPN providers. Especially those really good ones in Canada like Carat Networks. Aside from defeating DPI, NXDomain hijacking, and port blocking, they are fast, reliable, cheap, and out of reach of US court issued subpoenas.

Bob



JasonOD

@comcast.net

Sad but predictable outcome

While the MPAA/RIAA overreaches at times, they're not going to give up on chasing the bad apples. And as usual, those bad apples spoil the bunch. We'll all pay more because of this.

I don't understand the last point about targeting suspected users as being unreliable. ISP's know exactly what IP is assigned to whom, and 'accidentally' having your connection used/compromised by a guilty third party is no longer a defense. I know mistakes get made, just not at the level you seem to project.


Os

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Good for the RIAA/MPAA

Good for you guys in getting what you want! I don't care anyway, your content is worthless to me. I won't download your stuff illegally, but I won't buy it either.

And every single day less and less people want your content. Enjoy protecting those copyrights on a continually worthless product!



heat84
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join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
reply to Chiyo

Re: Suspected = guilty no matter what

said by Chiyo:

a suspected pirate may be allowed to visit only the top 200 Web sites until they stop illegal file sharing.

WTF? (Heath Ledger Batman pic here) What country was that that's trying to block specific sites (because they're porn)? Are we them now?
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heat84
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reply to TamaraB

Re: A Business opportunity

said by TamaraB:

I see a real business opportunity here for the VPN providers.
Bob

Parates paying for VPN's is oxymoronic.
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mob
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reply to heat84

Re: Suspected = guilty no matter what

said by heat84:

said by Chiyo:

a suspected pirate may be allowed to visit only the top 200 Web sites until they stop illegal file sharing.

WTF? (Heath Ledger Batman pic here) What country was that that's trying to block specific sites (because they're porn)? Are we them now?

Since you had to ask, yes.
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heat84
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reply to Os

Re: Good for the RIAA/MPAA

said by Os:

Good for you guys in getting what you want! I don't care anyway, your content is worthless to me. I won't download your stuff illegally, but I won't buy it either.

And every single day less and less people want your content. Enjoy protecting those copyrights on a continually worthless product!

I can't remember the last time I downloaded a movie. Its pretty much all TV that I torrent, with the occasional MP3.
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TamaraB
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reply to JasonOD

Re: Sad but predictable outcome

said by JasonOD :

ISP's know exactly what IP is assigned to whom, and 'accidentally' having your connection used/compromised by a guilty third party is no longer a defense.

Open Wi-Fi Is Not a Crime! And no, your ISP does not have a right to snoop (DPI) on your private communications without a warrant. Anyone wanting some measure of privacy, and a semblance of network neutrality, only needs to use an off-shore VPN.

The combination of ISP interference in Internet access, the outrageous MAFFIA in league with U.S. courts engaging in more and more extortion schemes, and ICE running around, illegally taking-down reams of websites like a bull in a China closest, has already started an unfortunate exodus. I have already moved all of my web and mail servers out of the country. It's a sad day, when one has to leave America to be free.

Bob
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Wilsdom

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reply to heat84

Re: A Business opportunity

Not any more so than paying for their internet connection.



Augustus III
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reply to mob

Re: Suspected = guilty no matter what

said by mob:

said by heat84:

said by Chiyo:

a suspected pirate may be allowed to visit only the top 200 Web sites until they stop illegal file sharing.

WTF? (Heath Ledger Batman pic here) What country was that that's trying to block specific sites (because they're porn)? Are we them now?

Since you had to ask, yes.

worse. the others usually do it out of moral justification and we do it out of money.


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I don't care either

Just watched James May's Toy Story which aired on the BBC last week. What a great show. imagine running an 30 year old HO scale train set ten miles on an old railroad bed between two communities. Add to this other modern HO scale model trains including one powered by a tiny fuel sell, great show. This is what I want being about to watch any TV show I want from anywhere in the World. All of the really interesting documentary shows we will never see in this country for one reason or another.
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Bill Neilson
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Arlington, VA

How they determine who is guilty and such will

be quite interesting as the current way is IMO is a bit of a joke reliability wise.

The amount of stories we will hear about people doing nothing and getting slammed will be humorous and sad at the same time.

I also suspect lawsuits will begin flying and hopefully someone can pin down the RIAA/MPAA



odreian615

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Chicago, IL

Comcast is already doing it

Someone posted the letter on reddit a couple days ago



TamaraB
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reply to heat84

Re: A Business opportunity

said by heat84:

said by TamaraB:

I see a real business opportunity here for the VPN providers.
Bob

Parates paying for VPN's is oxymoronic.

Anyone wanting free and unfettered Internet access, not just "pirates".

Besides, for about $10.00/Mo (far less than a full cable subscription) you can cut the cable cord and get all the TV and movies you want free, and without advertisements. Even pirates can see that the economics here make sense. They are not stupid, it's the MAFFIA and the ISPs who are shooting themselves in the foot, and a government which needs to create jobs, is going to drive a portion of the industry out of the country. Who are the morons here?

The rent I used to pay a U.S. collocation facility is now going to Canada. Not so I can pirate, but so that I, and my customers, can be free from the ever increasing over-reaching, snooping, and control of the corporate-controlled greed machine we have created here in this country.

I used to hate the canard "If you don't like it leave". But today, in the virtual and International world of the Internet, you can do exactly that, and what's being implemented, mainly by the entertainment industry, is making doing just that economical. All this for what? To prop up the out-dated business model of an industry which refuses to evolve with the times?

Bob
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Gunpowder, Treason and Plot.
I see no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot."

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Bugger

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reply to Wilsdom

We all pay for things, the question is the degree and for what exactly. As long as there are laws there will be people not following them. The more ridiculous and intrusive the laws become the greater the number of those people is going to be.



88615298
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reply to Wilsdom

said by Wilsdom:

Not any more so than paying for their internet connection.

If they have the money then why aren't they paying then?

Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06

Premptive capping

ISPs of course jump at the chance to offer little or no service for the same high monthly fee. Wonder if they will penalize any torrenting, infringing or not, since all data transfer is theft from their prospective.

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fuziwuzi
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American GFW?

Every day the US gets closer and closer to emulating China. A conservative, single-party government, unrestricted capitalism, dismantling government regulations on safety and environment, censoring internet, citizens being "detained for questioning" simply for protesting...

My partner in Shanghai is forced to use a VPN for his internet use, and I guess I will have to join him, now.



88615298
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reply to TamaraB

Re: A Business opportunity

said by TamaraB:

said by heat84:

said by TamaraB:

I see a real business opportunity here for the VPN providers.
Bob

Parates paying for VPN's is oxymoronic.

Anyone wanting free and unfettered Internet access, not just "pirates".

Besides, for about $10.00/Mo (far less than a full cable subscription) you can cut the cable cord and get all the TV and movies you want free, and without advertisements. Even pirates can see that the economics here make sense. They are not stupid, it's the MAFFIA and the ISPs who are shooting themselves in the foot, and a government which needs to create jobs, is going to drive a portion of the industry out of the country. Who are the morons here?

So copyright holders should give out their product for FREE and they will make more money? genius. Let run that by McDonald's "hey if you give out you food for free you'll make more money" Does that even make sense?


88615298
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reply to heat84

Re: Good for the RIAA/MPAA

said by heat84:

said by Os:

Good for you guys in getting what you want! I don't care anyway, your content is worthless to me. I won't download your stuff illegally, but I won't buy it either.

And every single day less and less people want your content. Enjoy protecting those copyrights on a continually worthless product!

I can't remember the last time I downloaded a movie. Its pretty much all TV that I torrent, with the occasional MP3.

Why are you even torrenting TV? MP3? You can't fucking afford 99 cents? fucking sad.


DataRiker
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reply to FFH

Re: Suspected = guilty no matter what

said by FFH:

Their TOS already gives them that right.

Most peer to peer programs run randomized encryption by default, and DDL sites are inherently immune to this. Sure some non-tech savvy people will get caught in the crossfire, but the real pirates will keep on like usual.

As long as anti-piracy measures are this far behind I have no problem with them.

If this is how they are going to attack piracy, the pirates need not worry.


Bugger

@rr.com
reply to TamaraB

Re: Sad but predictable outcome

You may have to move the users of your web and mail servers outside of the USA as well if this continues to happen. Or start using Freenet.

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Uncle Paul

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USA
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reply to FFH

Re: Suspected = guilty no matter what

said by FFH:

said by Chiyo:

the ISP shouldn't be able to tell me what I can and can't visit because they suspect me of being a pirate.

It was inevitable that the ISPs got onboard with discouraging copyright infringement. They are the ones in the best position to be enforcement cops. The MPAA & RIAA are helping cover the costs. And the White House is backing the agreement. It isn't three strikes, but ISPs will take actions against violators they feel is appropriate.

How about MPAA and RIAA foot 100% of the cost. Why should an ISP shoulder the cost of the MPAA or RIAA recover its lost revenue (once lost revenue is actually proven).

tg1

join:2003-08-16
New Hyde Park, NY

Get Encrypted!

Well maybe it's time to push SSL in everything....(or VPN)

Also, I'm curious to know that what these ISPs getting in return (If I get throttled I'm jumping ship from FIOS).


openbox9
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reply to DataRiker

Re: Suspected = guilty no matter what

They aren't, and that's part of Karl's point. The few tend to ruin things for the masses. That theory isn't exclusive to ISPs, but they are the latest to clamp down. Thank your local copyright infringer....