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2011-Jul-7 5:54 pm
The "few" messed it up for all others...Verizon's actions were necessary to maintain system viability because of the idiots who treated their smartphones as TV and HD streaming movie platforms. Dumb. I've always despised those bragging about their 10 GB+ usage per month. So now what have you got!! Huh? |
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openbox9 Premium Member join:2004-01-26 71144 |
to davidhoffman
Re: Third party ProvidorKind of irrelevant for what most people affected by this change are looking for then. |
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to Thaler
Re: Just downloaded a couple android games over 70MBsaid by Thaler:Yup. Hell, even iOS is getting involved in cloud services now.
Cloud Documents? Cloud Photos? Cloud Video? Cloud Music?
Yeah...there's much more that I'd use a smartphone to access now than ever. Thankfully, I'm still with a provider that isn't capped and encourages us to use the damn thing. Well stand by for a ram junior. Nobody can afford to provide unlimited data to pigs for ever. |
actions · 2011-Jul-7 6:16 pm · (locked) |
VegasManLiving the Vegas life. Premium Member join:2002-11-17 Las Vegas, NV ·CenturyLink
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Re: Can we get some unbiased reporting on this site?said by ianmichael:"supposedly cutting-edge" "consider a second mortgage" All these snarky and demeaning comments by the writes of the site really make it difficult to take this site seriously as a source of tech information.
Tone down the snakry opinions and stick to a sensible form of journalism. Journalism? Demeaning? Snarky? They gave all the info that was needed and gave the correct info. This site isn't meant to be the go to place for info on tech. God forbid they have an opinion and one that looks like 99% of the readers seem to agree with. |
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to openbox9
Re: Third party ProvidorThe issue for us USB modem users is to see all data use treated the same by the carriers. If I have a 5GB data cap for $50, then so should anyone else using a $50 plan from a carrier. Many of us also wanted the elimination of a tethering charge for phones. USB modems did not have a tethering charge for data, so why should a phone have a tethering charge when it is used as a modem. We are looking for modem data costs to be the same as phone data costs from a particular carrier. I have to use a Voyager phone and a USB 760 modem from Verizon. I would have liked have "Unlimited data" on the modem. I got it on the phone. I pay almost the same price for data for each device. I get a 5GB cap on the USB and "Unlimited" on the Voyager. Verizon needs to get even more coherent with data pricing. No tethering charge for phones and the same per GB prices for phones and modems. |
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to davidhoffman
Re: usageOne thing is for damn sure.. If within the next few years Microsoft comes out with a cloud version of their os and its the only and mandated version.. Its gonna really suck for them |
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Next up, Verizon caps on their DSL and FIOS plans...Coming soon! |
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to armed
Re: Just downloaded a couple android games over 70MBWell, We're on ATT and I just upgrade to Infuse 4g, I had to have my PDA Unlim moved to the 4g unlim plans. $ for $ it's still the same i was paying 'cept for less SMS I had 1500 txt by I never reached anywhere near that. Now I have 1000 still not reaching it so I may even lower that.
Anyhoo, my wife has a Cappy and is in love with it. She doesn't do alot of 3g use on the road. It's nearly all at home on Wifi. I still intend on keeping her on the 2GB plan because of Netflix. We plan on hooking her phone into our car A/V setup for the kids and netflix viewing may be done occasionally.
Moral of the story. Start with a larger plan and use the phone as you wish. Check your usage. If your don't need as much after a few months use, reduce your plan. |
actions · 2011-Jul-7 8:00 pm · (locked) |
MuDvAyNe Premium Member join:2002-03-02 Brooklyn, NY |
to openbox9
Re: And another thing...said by openbox9:No, you'll still be unlimited as long as you maintain your existing plan regardless of your device. New/Added lines won't be eligible and changing your plan obviously loses the unlimited status. Well this is where they will get you. A few years ago I had to change my plan because the plan somehow couldn't support a smartphone when I got the original Blackberry Storm. I am sure a year or two down the line everyone will have to change their plan resulting in no more unlimited data. |
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2011-Jul-7 9:41 pm
I have no doubt that VZW will entice customers to move away from the unlimited grandfathered plans, and then eventually "force" the remaining base. Enjoy it while you've got it |
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Re: Third party Providorsaid by davidhoffman:I pay almost the same price for data for each device. I get a 5GB cap on the USB and "Unlimited" on the Voyager. The anticipated usage profiles are different between a USB modem for your laptop and a smartphone...granted the usages profiles will be converging even more now due to the caps. VZW (and the other carriers) price the different services accordingly to the expected usage. That's also a reason why the carriers are charging extra for tethering and are doing their best to squash tethering that breaks their model. |
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Thaler Premium Member join:2004-02-02 Los Angeles, CA |
to armed
Re: Just downloaded a couple android games over 70MBsaid by armed:Well stand by for a ram junior. Nobody can afford to provide unlimited data to pigs for ever. I wasn't aware that a few GB a month was "pigging out". I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that the internet has to roll back to its state in the 90s due to a sudden total lack of bandwidth. These caps are simple cash grabs, plain and simple. Also, keep in mind, these services aren't out-of-then-norm for the target device users - hell, they're featured prominently on the advertising materials from the carrier & manufacturer. It just seems silly to boast selling the iPhone & the fastest network available...if you're not supposed to actually use the services. |
actions · 2011-Jul-7 10:21 pm · (locked) |
88615298 (banned) join:2004-07-28 West Tenness |
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Re: And another thing...said by thegeek:said by 88615298:If you upgrade your phone you lose the discount. False information. You can upgrade and still keep your unlimited plan as long as you were on a smart phone with unlimited before today. This won't last forever though. Try READING what I posted. You lose the employee discount. It CLEALRY says $30 plan are NOT eligible for the discount anymore. Just because you're grandfathered into unlimited doesn't mean you're grandfathered into the discount. |
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Please don't switch me Verizon.....I use almost 1GB per day on my Verizon iPhone, 99% of it streaming Slingbox, I will be super pissed if they force this 2GB crap on me. |
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to Thaler
Re: Just downloaded a couple android games over 70MBsaid by Thaler:said by armed:Well stand by for a ram junior. Nobody can afford to provide unlimited data to pigs for ever. I wasn't aware that a few GB a month was "pigging out". I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that the internet has to roll back to its state in the 90s due to a sudden total lack of bandwidth. These caps are simple cash grabs, plain and simple. Also, keep in mind, these services aren't out-of-then-norm for the target device users - hell, they're featured prominently on the advertising materials from the carrier & manufacturer. It just seems silly to boast selling the iPhone & the fastest network available...if you're not supposed to actually use the services. A couple of gigs a month is $30 now at the Big Red. But you're cute when you smoke screen the issue here. A "few gigs/month" is not what this is all about and we all know it. Again the issue is the difference between using the devices as compared to addicted usage of the devices as if they are a life necessity...you know like water and drugs and acne cream. Most of us "use" the devices and easily fit under the 2 gig/month lower limit. If you want more pay for it, use another method or choose another carrier that for awhile will offer unlimited until they can no longer do it. I'm sorry but your point that applying a cap to usage moves us back to the 1990's is just plain silly. I know... I used it in the 1990's and I'll take today's caps, speed and versatility over what was going on then. Look you are at least reasonable when you point out that the companies are providing devices that out strip their ability to provide the bandwidth. But one can argue that it was never intended to be used for downloading 60gigs or more of crap a month either. One may even argue that its really not a bandwidth issue but a reluctance for them to invest in the infrastructure for it. Or it may be nothing but a money grab... but its the way things are and despite all the teeth gnashing they don't have to provide the service at the cost and volume that you or I may want. If one is addicted to the service then they pay the piper. Its really very simple. If Verizon is overpriced or under provisioned then the market will force them to change or die. But to tell you the truth this cap has minimal impact on the vast majority of their users. |
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2011-Jul-8 1:31 am
said by armed:A "few gigs/month" is not what this is all about and we all know it. The plans range from $30 to what, $70 for 10 GB/month? Yeah, we are talking about a few to several GBs - at least the same order of 10. said by armed:Again the issue is the difference between using the devices as compared to addicted usage of the devices as if they are a life necessity...you know like water and drugs and acne cream. Cell phone service period is not a life necessity. Should push come to shove, I don't need one to live. That being said, they need to sell it to me, the consumer, as being worth my money to shovel out for premium phones & premium plans. However, even if I pay their advertised rates for both, I'd still go over simply using the advertised cloud services/features of today's internet. I'm sorry, but if they want to lock & cap down the mobile internet usage to a pay-thru-the-nose status, I'd just as soon go back to a flip phone. WiFi has gotten more and more plentiful, and I might as well just use a tablet for mobile data access. Again, I understand that "if we use the service, we have to pay". Problem is, we've already been paying a premium for this. Tightening down the thumbscrews for additional funds for no additional service is a straight money grab, even if they want to sell it as "network maintenance". |
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Re: Please don't switch me Verizon.....Sorry to say but you are the exact person their wanting to cut. Your slingbox streaming of 1gb/day is what a typical person uses a hard wired internet for. Sorry but a phone wasn't designed for that. So, thanks, you're the reason these caps are in place now.
30gb/month on a mobile phone to me is extreme and our current 3g systems surely weren't designed for that kind of usage. You're actually hurting everyone else on the network who is using their phones for the "typical" usage - which is email, some web surfing and maybe streaming music, but definitely not streaming 1gb/day. You're definitely using more than your fair share. |
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Re: Just downloaded a couple android games over 70MBsaid by Thaler:said by armed:A "few gigs/month" is not what this is all about and we all know it. The plans range from $30 to what, $70 for 10 GB/month? Yeah, we are talking about a few to several GBs - at least the same order of 10. said by armed:Again the issue is the difference between using the devices as compared to addicted usage of the devices as if they are a life necessity...you know like water and drugs and acne cream. Cell phone service period is not a life necessity. Should push come to shove, I don't need one to live. That being said, they need to sell it to me, the consumer, as being worth my money to shovel out for premium phones & premium plans. However, even if I pay their advertised rates for both, I'd still go over simply using the advertised cloud services/features of today's internet. I'm sorry, but if they want to lock & cap down the mobile internet usage to a pay-thru-the-nose status, I'd just as soon go back to a flip phone. WiFi has gotten more and more plentiful, and I might as well just use a tablet for mobile data access. Again, I understand that "if we use the service, we have to pay". Problem is, we've already been paying a premium for this. Tightening down the thumbscrews for additional funds for no additional service is a straight money grab, even if they want to sell it as "network maintenance". Ah I give up! You want to talk about "a few gigs/month" and then say that's the same as 10 gigs a month or more in the same breath. The company (for whatever reason) doesn't want to continue to charge lower broadband users the same as those who use much more. That's not a new costing model and in fact is very common. Its their right to decide this and other costing scenarios. Where you and I agree is that once they make that decision we then can make whatever choice we want to make. Use it less and control the cost, use it more and pay the cost or find alternatives that let us get what we want (or close to it) for the price we want to pay. What is so distressing is that somehow way too many people (at least on this forum) think that unlimited cell data use is a birth right and equal to importance as all other life necessities. Hell even water has a price and its not available as unlimited so why do so many think cell data ought to be. I can understand one who says look... its not worth the price anymore or I sure don't like having to monitor my usage to control my costs. But we are way past that on this thread and similar posts on this forum. The ranting and raving about caps makes it as though they are against the natural laws of the universe. Its a right for all and the government ought to step in and make then provide unlimited services. And oh by the way make those who use less pay for those who use more. The threats and rantings about this change are way out of proportion to its impact on our society and ignores most of the concepts of free enterprise. I say this on this thread for the last time. This is their company, we we have choices to use it or not. Cell data is not a life necessity and apparently, based on the number of people who have it, its an affordable choice even in one of the worst economic downturns in our history. Want to use more than they allow for $30? Pay more or find another way to do it or drop it. I think you and I agree on at least that. There is no abuse here ... its simply a costing model that some don't like. Its one of the pluses and minuses of living in this country. |
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Re: Just downloaded a couple android games over 70MBsaid by armed:The company (for whatever reason) doesn't want to continue to charge lower broadband users the same as those who use much more. Funny how you're trying to sell this as a "feature". The problem is, even the lowest of broadband users won't see a benefit. They will continue to pay the same amount they do today ($30 a month), but simply be subject to a cap. If anything, they lost functionality from their cell provider. said by armed:What is so distressing is that somehow way too many people (at least on this forum) think that unlimited cell data use is a birth right and equal to importance as all other life necessities. My only problem is that these continued cash grabs will only slow down broadband deployment and/or service inventions. Tomorrow's new app will rely on improved networks and bandwidth - however, if we're all to be nickle-&-dimed to irrational proportions, *nobody* could afford to pick up these services and technological progress suffers. I'd like to think that tomorrow's network might actually be bigger, better, faster, cheaper...but with the current trend of making customers pay more-for-less, this idea seems less and less likely. |
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to jjeffeory
Re: just in timeNetflix is coming. Be patient. |
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