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Comments on news posted 2011-08-15 10:44:59: Google this morning made significant waves by announcing that the search giant would be buying Motorola's mobile division for $12.5 billion. ..

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gigahurtz
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It was only a matter of time..

You just knew that either HTC or Motorola would end up getting bought out by Google sooner or later
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Re: It was only a matter of time..

Moto was losing money last I heard (may have turned things around now). They were likely the easier target, especially since HTC now has a big WinPhone7 operation going on.

The huge patent portfolio, which will be used to get Apple (and possibly Microsoft) off of other Android manufacturers' backs will be a good thing too (this is probably why Google bought Moto Mobility anyway). I wonder whether Google is going to stop charging per-device royalties on Moto techs used in Android devices once the acquisition goes through.

FWIW, I support this acquisition. Samsung, HTC, LG and Apple are all strong contenders in the smaartphone space, entry by Huawei, Sanyo and ZTE is slow but steady and Google isn't competing with Motorola on much of anything. The patent war chest should actually make things more competitive, since it will be harder for Apple to pull craziness like outlawing the sale of Galaxy Tab 10.2 models in the EU.

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Re: It was only a matter of time..

said by iansltx:

The huge patent portfolio, which will be used to get Apple (and possibly Microsoft) off of other Android manufacturers' backs will be a good thing too (this is probably why Google bought Moto Mobility anyway).

My thoughts exactly. Better to spend billions on an acquisition and actually get something for your money than spend it defending patent lawsuits and paying royalties to Apple.
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said by gigahurtz:

You just knew that either HTC or Motorola would end up getting bought out by Google sooner or later

no reason for htc to sell if they're hitting record profits every month
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Good News!

Just saw the news and went to my account and MMI is still sitting in my account at $24.47.

I'll gladly take $40 on a long term gain.
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Lone Wolf
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Re: Good News!

Just got $38.69 on my trade. Happy Day!
openbox9
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Re: Good News!

Good spec play. Although I'd suggest that you were brave for owning MMI in the first place.

Lone Wolf
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Re: Good News!

I bought Motorola last year and it separated into Motorola Mobility and Motorola Solutions.

It's not that I was smart or brave, just lucky.
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openbox9
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Re: Good News!

I don't know your cost basis for MOT, but a 30% premium off of the split price isn't bad, especially considering where MMI was heading.
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All of you who think this is such a wonderful deal do realize that Apple could offer $15 Billion for Motorola Mobility tomorrow if they wanted to.
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Wonderful news

As a long time Android supporter and user, and a former Motorola user, this is great news. If for no other reason than it will provide excellent defensive ammunition against attacks Apple and Oracle.

The other folks who ought to be worried are Verizon and Cingular (AT&T). They may get squeezed. If I am not mistaken, Google owns some spectrum as well.

This could shake a lot of things up.

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Re: Wonderful news

said by tpkatl:

This could shake a lot of things up.

I don't think so. It just makes it harder for some Google competitors to shake them down in court with patent lawsuits. It can save Google a lot of money by avoiding some lawsuits, but I doubt it will make them a bigger player in cellphones other than protecting Android a little bit.

Will this make Motorola smartphones relevant again? I doubt it.
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openbox9
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Re: Wonderful news

Agreed! As the big boys race for patents, most acquisitions in this space will be for the IP. I imagine that Google acquiring a hardware manufacturer is simply a bonus in this situation.
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Re: Wonderful news

I don't think it's a bonus. I think it's probably part of what they had to do.

It's interesting to note that Motorola is going to be run as a standalone business and will not be folded into the Google collective. This likely means that eventually Google will take the patents, keep the $4B in cash and spin off the handset manufacturing to someone like HTC and sell off the set top box business. When it's all said and done, Google will have gotten the industries strongest tcom patent portfolio for not much more than it would have spent for the Nortel stuff.

I can't imagine Google wants to become a manufacturer. I also can't imagine that Motorola handsets will sell better if they are owned by Google. Motorola can't seem to make a handset that sells to save their life. I don't think the new owners will change will change that fact, even if they wanted.
openbox9
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Re: Wonderful news

I agree, it is all about the patent portfolio. Google has already proven that it doesn't want to be in the business of manufacturing/retailing and the customer support nightmare that goes along with it. You're right, Google may sell-off the Motorola carcass after grabbing the patent portfolio.

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said by Badonkadonk:

This likely means that eventually Google will take the patents, keep the $4B in cash and spin off the handset manufacturing to someone like HTC and sell off the set top box business. When it's all said and done, Google will have gotten the industries strongest tcom patent portfolio for not much more than it would have spent for the Nortel stuff.

I can't imagine Google wants to become a manufacturer. I also can't imagine that Motorola handsets will sell better if they are owned by Google. Motorola can't seem to make a handset that sells to save their life. I don't think the new owners will change will change that fact, even if they wanted.

The settop box acquisition is significant. It's the perfect opportunity to push the Google TV platform.
openbox9
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Re: Wonderful news

If Google can get the content owners on board

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Re: Wonderful news

said by openbox9:

If Google can get the content owners on board

Google doesn't have to get the content owners on board if they integrate GoogleTV into Motorola settops. They already have very large settop customers that have content owners on board.
openbox9
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Re: Wonderful news

We'll see about that. The content owners are resisting distribution outside of normal channels at every possible turn. They also view Google as enemy number one. Doesn't seem like a good combination for what Google likely wants to achieve with set tops. Besides, the cable companies aren't going to be fond of Google advertisements in lieu of their own.

jgkolt
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Re: Wonderful news

is the set top box business even part of Motorola mobility?
Badonkadonk
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Re: Wonderful news

You're kidding, right? Did you read the messages preceding yours?

Here: »www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-···eal.html

With Microsoft Mobility, Google gets one of the major manufacturers for Google's Android-brand smartphone systems, the Horsham home-media equipment business that makes cable set-top boxes; Internet Protocol Television and other broadband and digital video equipment; and more than 15,000 telecom device patents, aiding its battle against archrival Apple iPhone and Apple ally Microsoft, and boosting Google's clout in the exploding wireless communications market.
openbox9
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Yes. Seems a lot of people don't understand what Motorola did when it split itself in two.

MMI PR

said by MMI PR :

Motorola Mobility is comprised of two industry-leading global technology businesses. The Mobile Devices business is an innovative provider of smartphone devices designed to fit every lifestyle. In 2010, the Mobile Devices business launched 23 smartphones globally, including the highly successful family of DROID™ by Motorola devices as well as BRAVO™, DEFY™, FLIPSIDE™, MILESTONE™ and others. The Home business is one of the largest providers of digital set-top boxes and end-to-end video solutions. Motorola Mobility will leverage the capabilities of both the Mobile Devices and Home businesses to deliver innovative smartphones, tablets, set-tops and other converged devices – as well as content delivery and management, and interactive cloud-based services to consumers in the home and on the go.


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Re: Wonderful news

said by openbox9:

Yes. Seems a lot of people don't understand what Motorola did when it split itself in two.

MMI PR

said by MMI PR :

Motorola Mobility is comprised of two industry-leading global technology businesses. The Mobile Devices business is an innovative provider of smartphone devices designed to fit every lifestyle. In 2010, the Mobile Devices business launched 23 smartphones globally, including the highly successful family of DROID™ by Motorola devices as well as BRAVO™, DEFY™, FLIPSIDE™, MILESTONE™ and others. The Home business is one of the largest providers of digital set-top boxes and end-to-end video solutions. Motorola Mobility will leverage the capabilities of both the Mobile Devices and Home businesses to deliver innovative smartphones, tablets, set-tops and other converged devices – as well as content delivery and management, and interactive cloud-based services to consumers in the home and on the go.

Google TV just stepped up in google to do list.

I've used google TV and it's pretty boss, but it needs to be integrated into the cable/sat box at an affordable manner. This is a good move from google. Not only are they going to be able to make profitable smart phones, they're going to be getting into the TV business.
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openbox9
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Re: Wonderful news

We'll see. Google was already working to redeem its TV failure. I'm sure Google will take advantage of including its advertising, I just don't think it will be that well received by the cable companies. I do agree with your assertion that Google's platform needs to be integrated to remotely have a chance at relevancy.
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This makes me wonder how there purchase of SageTV may integrate into this. They just got bought by Google a few months back and were primarily a PC Media Center App built using Java with some hardware boxes of there own. I suspect there may be more to this purchase then just the phone business and its patents, it could end up being very interesting.
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They don't want to be in manufacturing. I guarantee that they'll spin of all the manufacturing part of the business. Of course, Google will put into place licensing and supply deals to push their wares. But, they won't go into manufacturing. It's not high margin enough.

I was here at Mot when the GI acquisition was made. It's not an easy or high margin business. Of course, neither is the handset one. Why do you think Qualcomm dumped their handset business. They've been better off for it. I doubt Google has the desire to be in manufacturing.

This is all really about the IP.

fifty nine

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Re: Wonderful news

said by Badonkadonk:

They don't want to be in manufacturing. I guarantee that they'll spin of all the manufacturing part of the business. Of course, Google will put into place licensing and supply deals to push their wares. But, they won't go into manufacturing. It's not high margin enough.

I was here at Mot when the GI acquisition was made. It's not an easy or high margin business. Of course, neither is the handset one. Why do you think Qualcomm dumped their handset business. They've been better off for it. I doubt Google has the desire to be in manufacturing.

This is all really about the IP.

I think it's about the IP too. I also doubt Google wants to get into manufacturing.

They could do this two ways - outsource the manufacturing or spin off the manufacturing division. You're right the latter does seem more feasible than the former.
Badonkadonk
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Re: Wonderful news

I agree. One of those two things is the most likely scenario for the manufacturing side. But, like you said in an earlier post, there's very little doubt that they'll somehow push Google TV into STBs.
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said by Badonkadonk:

They don't want to be in manufacturing.
This is all really about the IP.

Which is why the US patent system is horribly broken. Billions upon billions in corporate capital wasted in hoarding patents to defend oneself. Software patents have caused so much waste in US business it's enough to make you depressed.

$12 billion is a huge amount of money. Google could build FTTH out to a significant fraction of US urban areas. Or buy some spectrum and build out DIDO wireless systems across America.

Watching them forced to waste money like this is just a blow to one's morale.
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Re: Wonderful news

said by sonicmerlin:

said by Badonkadonk:

They don't want to be in manufacturing.
This is all really about the IP.

Which is why the US patent system is horribly broken. Billions upon billions in corporate capital wasted in hoarding patents to defend oneself. Software patents have caused so much waste in US business it's enough to make you depressed.

$12 billion is a huge amount of money. Google could build FTTH out to a significant fraction of US urban areas. Or buy some spectrum and build out DIDO wireless systems across America.

Watching them forced to waste money like this is just a blow to one's morale.

$12B gets them over $3B in cash, disposable manufacturing assets probably worth over another $3B, etc. In the end, I bet Google doesn't pay much more than $4-5B for the patents. And, it's a much better portfolio than Nortel's.

On a personal level, I like the patent system. Yeah, parts of it need to be fixed, but it's been very good to me.

jester121
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said by sonicmerlin:

Which is why the US patent system is horribly broken. Billions upon billions in corporate capital wasted in hoarding patents to defend oneself. Software patents have caused so much waste in US business it's enough to make you depressed.

Silliness. You make it sound like the "billions upon billions" were flushed into a black hole and disappeared. Economics is all about moving money around, and wherever it ended up it was used for something.

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said by fifty nine:

The settop box acquisition is significant. It's the perfect opportunity to push the Google TV platform.

There is no settop box acquisition. That's the OTHER Motorola. This is Motorola Mobility, which is the wireless business only. Motorola forked into two companies a few years back.
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Droids are solid devices. Some folks may prefer HTC or Samsung (I own a Galaxy S variant) but if I was a Verizon customer the Dorid 3 would look mighty tempting right now.

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Don't see this really benefiting consumers much. Maybe Google plan is to force Verizon AT&T to allow all features of phone usable. No disable of apps they don't like or tethering etc. But then they will just say fine we don't want it.

When Google either builds a cell network or buys say sprint and a few regional carriers nothing will change. Even then its a short term shack up. As soon as Google see the mass amount of consumer ripoffs they can profit from they will do the exact same thing as VZ and AT&T
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Re: Wonderful news

Google is an advertising company. Restricting data access restricts ad views. If Google builds a cell network (they won't, not near-term at least) they'll try to keep things niceand open because it'll gain more ad views for them.
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said by tpkatl:

The other folks who ought to be worried are Verizon and Cingular (AT&T). They may get squeezed. If I am not mistaken, Google owns some spectrum as well.

If Google wanted to compete in this space, it would have acquired a wireless company opposed to a hardware manufacturer. I don't see much changing at all for any of this except for fewer patent battles.

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My motivations for liking this are purely selfish but if it means that Moto-Android phones will be getting better support then I'm all for it.

My (now replaced) xt720 was capable of running Froyo (and probably Gingerbread) but Moto refused to upgrade it beyond Eclair.

I'm glad XDA-Dev helped me out, but Moto support should have been a given. Their support was inadequate at best and it made sure I would not have purchase another Motorola phone.

Now that Google's in charge I may reconsider (once my Nexus S kicks it anyways)
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I assume...

I assume this means the end of MotoBlur. About time.

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Now all they have to do is buy Sprint.

and its over for the iDevices

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Half baked

Wonder how HTC, Samsung, and others who have invested in Droid feel about this.

So that means that now even many of the hardware devices will only be about 80% usable, just like most Google software?

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xsquid40

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Mobility

Mobility owns all of their set tops, modems and EMTAs...

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Good

All hail ANDROID !
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Re: Good

Maybe now Motorola will finally stop locking their bootloaders? heh

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predictable

This is a good deal all around. I wish i still owned MM.
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aximr
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More then just patents

If Google was just interested in acquiring patents they would have made a more serious bid for the Nortel patents. They didn't.

They could have had all the patents they needed if they bid more then 4.5 billion, again they didn't. Google was never a serious bidder for Nortels patents, and now their acquisition of Motorola tells us why.

Whatever ever Larry Page says today, you can throw out the window buy the time the deal is complete.

Watch as HTC and Samsung run for cover with Windows 7 phone. No they didn't spend 12.5 billion for just patents and to play nice with their own smartphone manufacturing unit.
While I'm sure Google wants HTC and Samsung to continue to make Android smartphone, you can bet they will be favoring their own brand.

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asop, google tv, patents

First and foremost this is for patents.

Next if the new google phones like nexus s are motorola without blur and rapid os updates, then that is awesome.

more inroads with set top boxes and google tv. How cool would att uverse be with google tv instead of microsofts os.

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nothing good since the early '90s with that name

must have been one "HECK" of a sales job..
nothing good will come of this.. google tried their hand at the hardware business and failed miserably EVERY TIME...

google can't expect design a brand similar to "APPLE" it just ain't gonna happen.. and of course I'd like to see some REAL compeittion knock Apple on their ass.. but this ain't it.

all Google bought was the NAME with ZERO design talent. now they have to put up the help wanted sign actually get people who can design products because another failed venture and Google will probably be type-cast as using hardware companies to expense and tax write-off against profits...

Remember any companies who ROUTINELY do this? (cough,cough Cablevision).

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HFC part of motorola mobility included?

I would be surprised if this deal gets done because of how much market share google has alone on the internet. Also I suspect that we will see the motorola name stay on some of the devices for awhile as the other motorola division is being bought out. I would hate to see motorola go away completely. What's going to happen to the HFC/FTTH/STB part of motorola mobility. Could they just be buying the cellphone business part only?
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Re: HFC part of motorola mobility included?

Could be that the HFC business is just fleas on the dog to either be spun or sold.

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From the same CEO who said...

said by »www.bgr.com/2011/08/09/motorola-···eo-says/ :

Motorola Mobility CEO Sanjay Jha on Tuesday said that his company is open to building smartphones powered by Microsoft’s Windows Phone operating system. The Motorola boss said that while the company is focused on Google’s Android platform right now, it would absolutely consider the new Microsoft mobile OS under the right conditions. “I think we’re completely open to the notion of Windows as a platform,” Jha said during the Oppenheimer Technology & Communications Conference. “Clearly, all of our focus today is on Android.” Jha said that in order for Windows Phone to work for Motorola, the company would likely need to secure a deal similar to the one between Microsoft and Nokia, which allows the Finnish phone maker to customize and alter the OS in ways other OEMs cannot.

1) Looks like no Windows Phone from Motorola anymore.
2) Motorola will probably get 'preferred' treatment with Android (like Microsoft and Nokia).

said by »www.unwiredview.com/2011/08/11/m···-makers/ :

During its Q2 earnings conference call Motorola hinted that it is ready to join Android patent racket, and start demanding licensing fees for its IP from other Android manufacturers. This week Motorola’s CEO Sanjay Jha reiterated this message, and made it even more clear – they do indeed have plans to start collecting IP royalties from other Android makers.

Android users that are happy about this merger, please re-read that article. Motorola was open about attacking their own Android competitors using the same tactics that Apple and Microsoft are using.

"Open" has been reduced to a marketing term.
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Oh Great

I'm so happy.
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Very Bad News for Consumers

Or it could be good news too, but that is less likely.

Whatever Google says about remaining "open" will not be believed by other phone manufacturers. This is going to drive HTC, Samsung and others away from Android. The 2nd tier players will worry about getting updates and competition with their supplier. This will be good news for Microsoft and RIM assuming either can release an operating system that the consumers actually like. This is really good news for Apple. Consumers will only come out ahead if MS and RIM get a clue.
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Google needed to do this.

This is a good acquisition for Goggle for several reasons. (1) This will help keep Microsoft and Apple from patient trolling Google and its partners. (2) Google can now directly shape and influence the Android phone market. Google has been trying for some time now with the Nexus line of phones to influence what an Android smart phone should (at a minimum) be. Now that they own Motorola they can spice up the phone market. This will keep Android phones from getting stale. (3) They can put out a competent Android tablet to challenge the iPad. Google is not happy with the state of Android tablets. Now they can do something about it. (4) Google is pushing Google TV hard. Their last effort was a failure that left Google blaming the set top hardware maker, and the hardware maker blaming Google’s software. Google is now in a better position to integrate the hardware and software of Google TV. (5) Google is now in a position to directly fend off Nokia should Nokia prove to be a competitor with their Windows 7 powered phones.


This puts Google in a position to market a range of Android products. It remains how bold and imaginative their ambitions are.

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Crap!!

Well,
I USED to like Motorola products, but I despise Google enough to quit buying any of their products now.
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I'm with you cork1958. I despise Google and it's as if no one can see a monopoly building right in front of them. Google built their empire from advertising and search ranking (the more you pay the higher up you are in the search results). I just don't see what is so great about them. Google has an agenda just like any other company and that agenda is to look out for itself, not consumers. People think that Google has consumers' or the publics' best interest at heart? I don't think so. Google gives out free software, big freakin deal. They don't give out anything that is absolutely needed and widely used. The company makes billions- how about giving out a few million to random people just to make people's lives better? THAT would be different and get my attention. Google is just like any other huge company, buy up other companies and make that company's tech now their own. I think there was another company that was always criticized and considered evil for doing this? oh yeah that company is called Microsoft.