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Comments on news posted 2011-09-06 11:38:15: The start of September seems to have brought with it another round of carriage pricing disputes, with consumers -- already paying sky-high prices for cable TV -- again stuck in the middle. Just as the U.S. ..

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pnh102
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Keep Digging!

We've reached the point at which subscription-based TV service costs so much that many people are just saying F-it and dropping it. I am sure these prearranged "disputes" contribute to it.
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BK3

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said by pnh102:

We've reached the point at which subscription-based TV service costs so much that many people are just saying F-it and dropping it. I am sure these prearranged "disputes" contribute to it.

Just another reason why I "cut the cord" 9 months ago.
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pnh102
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said by BK3:

Just another reason why I "cut the cord" 9 months ago.

I'd say I did the same thing, expect that Comcast (shockingly) agreed to my demands to lower my monthly bill.
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88615298
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Tennis Channel really?

can't really blame the carriers this time. The tennis channel should be lucky it's gets carried AT ALL. They have hte nerve to ask for ANY money.


n2jtx

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said by 88615298:

can't really blame the carriers this time. The tennis channel should be lucky it's gets carried AT ALL. They have hte nerve to ask for ANY money.

I agree. Watched it once or twice and was bored to tears. the Tennis Channel should have to PAY to be carried. Either that or it should be an ala carte channel that only interested parties subscribe too.
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tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY

screw channels

just give us some more interactive content via widgets w/o tethering to internet media manager program!!! where the hell has this idea gone? they were supposed to introduce a new guide to metro NY.. and as of now? nothing!


fifty nine

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reply to 88615298

Re: Tennis Channel really?

said by 88615298:

can't really blame the carriers this time. The tennis channel should be lucky it's gets carried AT ALL. They have hte nerve to ask for ANY money.

Obviously they must have some content that people want to watch otherwise there would be no contact dispute.


fifty nine

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reply to tmc8080

Re: screw channels

said by tmc8080:

just give us some more interactive content via widgets w/o tethering to internet media manager program!!! where the hell has this idea gone? they were supposed to introduce a new guide to metro NY.. and as of now? nothing!

Sure. Willing to pay for it?

moonpuppy

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reply to fifty nine

Re: Tennis Channel really?

said by fifty nine:

said by 88615298:

can't really blame the carriers this time. The tennis channel should be lucky it's gets carried AT ALL. They have hte nerve to ask for ANY money.

Obviously they must have some content that people want to watch otherwise there would be no contact dispute.

And this brings in the discussion about ala carte channels. If the people of Tennis Channel think they have a product, they can make it a pay by the month channel like HBO, Showtime, etc. My guess is that they simply want more money and know that not many people want to watch it to make it profitable unless they are part of the "expanded basic" service.

Madtown
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reply to 88615298
Who cares, I don't watch tennis anyways, and no one I know watch tennis anyways, so it not anyone in the world cares anyways.

westdc

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Tennis

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ-

If you like-go buy a ticket--Watch on TV -I don't need it or need to pay for it.

Even if it was free the cable company's would say "you have to pay more because we need to carry it"


fifty nine

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reply to moonpuppy

Re: Tennis Channel really?

said by moonpuppy:

And this brings in the discussion about ala carte channels. If the people of Tennis Channel think they have a product, they can make it a pay by the month channel like HBO, Showtime, etc. My guess is that they simply want more money and know that not many people want to watch it to make it profitable unless they are part of the "expanded basic" service.

Then in that case the problem is self correcting. If many people don't watch, they can simply tell them to go away and they will either agree to a smaller rate increase or none at all, or simply be dropped.

Or, it could very well be that there are significant numbers of people watching the channel and the cable company will have to come to an agreement with the channel that may include a significant rate increase.


trparky
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reply to 88615298
I think all the people in this thread will agree with me in saying that there's no loss in losing this channel.


jmn1207
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reply to fifty nine
The problem is that the Tennis Channel is demanding to be placed on a basic subscription tier. This leaves no room for the TV provider to recover the increased cost through more expensive tiers or even a sports package. The only way to get more money is to charge everyone higher rates, and not just those 6-10% of their customer base that actually wants this channel.

They really need to restructure and package channel types within more distinct genres. Cartoons and children's programming should be on a separate tier. Sports belongs on another. Science and nature stuff can go into their own group. This would still allow for smaller, niche channels to survive, but it could keep the cost reasonable and allow customers to have a bit of control in the market, other than the all or nothing use it or lose it "choice" that is currently forced upon us.

The current business model is not going to last at the rate it is going. Something better be done soon.


fifty nine

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They can demand all the want. If there isn't significant viewership they don't have the upper hand and the cableco can tell them to pound sand.

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reply to westdc

Re: Tennis

You have to admit that female matches are interesting for a few minutes at least...


Quiglag
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Re: Tennis Channel really?

Even as a tennis fan, I have no problem loosing the tennis channel. All of the majors are shown on basic cable channels anyways. Watching the game now on ESPN2.
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Tennis Fan

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A lot of people care, including me. I am dropping FIOS and going to Directv because of this fiasco.


ddg4005
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Yet Another Round of Carriage Disputes

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jmn1207
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Re: Tennis Channel really?

said by Tennis Fan :

A lot of people care, including me. I am dropping FIOS and going to Directv because of this fiasco.

Sadly, it is the Tennis Channel that is just as much to blame for this mess, if not more so than the TV provider. Unfortunately, your actions only strengthen and embolden the content provider's position. Next year it will be DirecTV in negotiations and asking you to pay an additional $5 on your bill. It will never end until somebody finally stands up to these media giants.

It is too bad that FiOS does not have enough viewers to make a significant dent in the Tennis Channel's viewer base. Comcast and DirecTV could seriously influence these constant rate increases if they stood firm and refused to play along. We will hit that point soon, as the customers that pay the TV providers are not going to be able to keep up with the rate hikes.


axiomatic

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Stupid business model.

I don't really care what the channel is, the way the broadcasting business model is set up is ancient and needs to change. Customers just don't need to be involved in these arguments in any capacity. These arguments between carriers need to occur long before there is ever a chance that a customer who has already paid their subscription for said channel can be made to lose it. As far as I'm concerned the individual customer should be suing whomever they get the channel from for "breach of contract" when stupidity like this occurs.

I also don't give one rat ass about the shareholders either, they come AFTER customers. (I'm a shareholder in MANY companies as well so I say this knowing it could potentially hurt my portfolio.)

rradina

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reply to n2jtx

Re: Tennis Channel really?

In my opinion all of them should be ala carte. In fact, they should be "on demand" ala carte. Why pay for a whole month of any channel if once a month there happens to be something of interest?

rradina

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reply to jmn1207
Yeah but if lumped into a sports package, how many football fans watch tennis? I know that we all pay for ESPN and there's quite a cross section of folks that don't care much for ANY sports programming and this probably doesn't seem fair to those folks and they would support having a "sports free" package.

I don't have anything in particular against tennis. There are courts in my subdivision and for pure recreation I play every now and then with my kids. However, I don't follow it and lumping it in with a sports channel package seems unfair.

I might buy a sports package for basketball, football, baseball and hockey but IMO, tennis is fringe. I suppose it depends on how much the Tennis Channel wants per month, per subscriber. My guess is that's part of the problem. It could be significant unless it's lumped into the millions of basic service subscribers.

rradina

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reply to Madtown
I have similar feelings but if they succeed in demanding to be part of the basic package, that puts more pressure on the rate everyone pays for the channels most of us do enjoy.


n2jtx

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reply to rradina
said by rradina:

In my opinion all of them should be ala carte. In fact, they should be "on demand" ala carte. Why pay for a whole month of any channel if once a month there happens to be something of interest?

I am all for ala carte. There are perhaps 15 channels total I would subscribe to, excluding broadcast basic.
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Tennis Fan

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I don't care who is to blame. I don't like having the channel I watch the most cut off in the middle of the most important tennis tournament in North America. It has opened my eyes to what Directv is offering now, which are some good offers such as free NFL Sunday ticket also.


trparky
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Yeah... but you're doing exactly what the media giants want. More money!

We need to start putting the screws to the media giants and tell them no more rate hikes.


djrobx
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We need the gubbermint to step in and prohibit content providers from bundling channels. ESPN gets ransom deals because its parent (ABC) can threaten to pull the main network feed if demands aren't met.

Until that happens there is no chance for us to have ala carte or tiers that make rational sense.


jmn1207
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Yes, the reason this happened is precisely because customers like you run to the next TV provider, or the TV provider caves during negotiations and we all see higher bills.

This scenario will play out in the near future with DirecTV. Eventually it will impact one of your favorite channels again. Maybe next time it will be a channel you don't care at all about, but DirecTV will raise your rates to keep the channel around for the vocal minority that do watch it?

The practice of having the customer switch providers to get the channels they want to see is driving the prices artificially high, and this is only a short-term solution that will eventually come crashing to a halt. It is not a sustainable business and it is destined to fail in the end.

Look around, it is already begun.

»gigaom.com/video/cord-cutters-q2-2011/


jmn1207
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said by djrobx:

We need the gubbermint to step in and prohibit content providers from bundling channels. ESPN gets ransom deals because its parent (ABC) can threaten to pull the main network feed if demands aren't met.

Until that happens there is no chance for us to have ala carte or tiers that make rational sense.

The saddest part of this whole mess is that the prices will continue to soar year after year as the greedy parties keep making ludicrous demands. Eventually, the customer base will dwindle as we simply can't afford it anymore, and our corrupt government will most likely use my tax money to pay for a bailout that only adds fuel to the fire, as this money will surely go to the elite top as an award, while the working stiffs will take the brunt of the punishment in layoffs and reduced benefits.