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Comments on news posted 2011-09-19 08:55:54: Last week Netflix acknowledged that the company's decision to split apart their DVD rental and streaming tiers -- and impose a massive rate hike in the process -- resulted in them losing a million more subscribers than previously predicted. ..

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88615298
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reply to aciddrink

Re: Groan......gotta keep track of two accounts, now?

said by aciddrink:

said by 88615298:

Well the people that dropped DVD and went with RedBox had 2 account anyways right?

You just have to argue with every single post, don't you? We get it, you like to take the opposite view than everybody else on every single topic in every news article. It's cute, we all get it. Now you can stop.

No I'm pointing out how hypocritical some people are being. and I'm not talking about the OP.

In response to the OP. Yeah the split did suck, but how realistic was an $8 all you can eat buffet for the long run? I saw a price hike as inevitable. Lets just hope they can get some better content for streaming now.

Thew streaming never got a price increase. So I'm not sure what you were referring too.


88615298
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Re: Cancelled

said by Screavics:

I have been questioning Netflix with the cost hike and all but this was the over the top decision. I have now cancelled and I will not be alone from the comments I have heard and read on his blog... I will just keep my basic cable and watch the commercials, it's only $10 / more a month vs just having internet...

If you had streaming only you never got a price hike.


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Re: New Logo

Ha, I was thinking that too. That's what happens when you have kids I guess.



pnh102
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reply to 88615298

Re: Netflix betting on future Hollywood may not let them have

said by 88615298:

You mean mythical loses like the mythical 60% price hike.

Even Netflix themselves admitted that this "mythical" price hike has caused them some pain.

»Netflix to Lose Subscribers Due to Rate Hike
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88615298
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Also adding video game rentals

No one has brought his up. I've only had streaming never saw the value of renting DVD by mail. Video games would be different. So depending on pricing I might actually get the disc rental now. Hmmm more money for Netflix. Yep Netflix is sure being dumb.



lordfly

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My thoughts - if anyone cares

I personally cancelled the dvd subscription mostly because I was not getting enough out of it anyway. I like Netflix and there are a lot of movies that my kids like to watch on there. There is still a ton of stuff that I have not ever seen and I will eventually caught up. If I do find something that I really like, I will probably by it on DVD or Blu-ray at Walmart.

So I don't care about the waiting time for new stuff. It used to take 12 months or more to see movies released to VHS. Why is everyone in such a hurry? It seems so strange to see movies go straight to media in under a month.

I also like Crackle, which has old movies and tv shows that I like. Plus it is free.



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Re: Netflix not so smart?

said by jims2321:

The biggest reason I think Netflix is going to suffer is that their streaming side lacks current content. This alone will hurt their bottom line. Then the inability to stream if the user is a dvd subscriber. This really is going to impact their business.

To add:
I don't think that their streaming content will get better anytime soon. People will realize that $8 is a waste for the same old rehashed content.
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reply to 88615298

said by 88615298:

said by FFH:

said by 88615298:

These moves by Netflix will allow them to get more content for streaming.

You say that, but do you have any proof? All actions so far say Hollywood is intent on drying up their content or raising costs so high that users will abandon Netflix as their prices start doubling and tripling.

Sure. Before the "price increase" 1 DVD at a time and streaming was $10. So basically people were getting up to 10 DVDs a month delivered for $2 a month. That's a loss leader. That money saved can be used for streaming content. Also they project 800K fewer DVD only subscibers. Ok that 's fewer DVDs that need to be bought fewer red envelopes to be bought, less postage to be paid. Once again that money saved can be used to acquire more streaming content.

You keep rehashing the Netflix CEO's rantings! Look where it has put them. They split the company. Their stock nosedived. The Industry wants to kill Netflix. If you and Reed don't see that yet, it is back to Business 101 for the lot of ya!
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reply to 88615298

Re: Also adding video game rentals

said by 88615298:

No one has brought his up. I've only had streaming never saw the value of renting DVD by mail. Video games would be different. So depending on pricing I might actually get the disc rental now. Hmmm more money for Netflix. Yep Netflix is sure being dumb.

But they could have added games at any time, without the price hike (but with an extra fee, as they seem to be indicating now) and certainly without the confusing/aliening name change and account changes.

This is a true "no-brainer" as in WTF?

Also see my other comments in the morning links thread
»Monday Morning Links


wings10
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reply to N10Cities

Re: Groan......gotta keep track of two accounts, now?

said by N10Cities:

I can see why they did this....long ago they said that streaming was their future, hence 'Net'flix name.......

...oh well....still pretty good bang for the buck.....

I agree.
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reply to 88615298

Re: Netflix betting on future Hollywood may not let them have

said by 88615298:

said by FFH:

Netflix making a mistake:
»gigaom.com/video/netflix-qwikster-future/

quote:
You also lose the power of the bundle. One reason cable companies have been aggressively pushing triple-play packages over the last several years is that users who subscribe to two or more services are much less likely to quit. By separating DVD-by-mail and streaming businesses into separate billing relationships with subscribers, Netflix is exposing both to potentially higher churn.

Netflix tried to bundle and everyone when ape shit over having to pay $16 for both. Sorry charging only $2 for renting 10 DVDs a month is not a sustainable business model

yeah, no discount, if i bundle video, internet, phone, thru my cable company, guess what? i get a discount. so instead of charging me $16 for dvd and streaming, how about, oh i dont know, $10 for 1 dvd and streaming, now thats a nice discount that would get me to keep both... oh, but wait.........


wings10
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What about others

People say the "Industry" is trying to kill Netflix by raising the cost for them to do business with all the major studios.

But then why don't they go after Red Box and Blockbuster as well?

Why do they all hate Netflix?
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smitmor

join:2004-04-10
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said by wings10:

People say the "Industry" is trying to kill But then why don't they go after Red Box and Blockbuster as well?

They did go after Redbox. Hollywood was the force that decided to make Redbox (and perhaps Blockbuster, I really don't know) wait a month after a DVD is released before they are able to put the title in their machines.


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reply to wings10

said by wings10:

But then why don't they go after Red Box and Blockbuster as well?

Why do they all hate Netflix?

They have gone after Redbox with their extended waiting period for DVD rentals for new releases. I don't know why this waiting period does not apply to Blockbuster though.

I am going to guess that Hollywood is more focused on selling DVDs and Blu-Ray Discs as opposed to renting out the right to watch movies or TV shows for a little bit of time. But it seems most people have simply given up on physical media because of the high costs.
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shimonmor
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@Qwikster

»techcrunch.com/2011/09/18/uh-oh-···runch%29

Guess someone at Qwikster didn't do their homework.



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Re: Napster died how many years ago?

It sounds like they didn't put 30 seconds thought into the new name. Why not call it BearFrostLimeSter?

Qwikster already has a mascot they can license from Nestle:



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Screavics
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Re: Cancelled

Yeah I thought about streaming only but their selection is so limited. I can only watch a show so many times before I get sick of it for awhile. It would probably be good if I had kids because there is a lot of kids movies but just not enough other shows and movies to peak my interest to stay. Heck I wouldn't even mind if they loaded the on demand catalog down with older movies.



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reply to N10Cities

Re: Groan......gotta keep track of two accounts, now?

Well gee. That is one reason why I didn't want to do a Netflix / Blockbuster split didn't want to deal with two accounts. Billed twice two different website to search etc. Guess they have more or less told me to go to blockbuster. Price is same for 1 dvd plus blue-ray so what the hell.


steven s
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reply to 88615298

Streaming went from free to $8.



jmn1207
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FLICK You

I was hoping they could be more creative with the new name.

I like, 'Go FLICK Yourself'.


steven s
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reply to 88615298

Re: Netflix betting on future Hollywood may not let them have

said by 88615298:

mythical 60% price hike.

What?


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Removing Value

This split was telegraphed over a year ago. Over a year ago they started removing DVD queue management from iOS applications and other little changes followed separating the two.

Now they are removing the links between the DVD and streaming queues. For me this was one of the great values that Netflix had. I could put something into my DVD queue, and if it became available for streaming, I would know.

Also, since I am terrible at remembering what films we've seen, I was foolishly using Netflix for this. I guess that I'll have to find some other way to do this.

Hastings disingenuous tone in both his personalized email, and his comments on his blog post don't do him any favors.

No matter his business rationale, this split removes value for me. We were just about to cut our cable subscription, but after these changes, I am reconsidering.



Tweakbl

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I got emailed the Explaination

I got emailed the Explaination From Netflix.

I never subscribed to the DVD parts at all anyway as I seen it as a waste of my money when I could stream,although current releases on Streaming would be nice.


elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA

Hysterical, indeed

The 1 million figure is but a projection, not historical fact. It hasn't happened yet.

It probably will come to pass, but why are bloggers and journalists so eager to report it in the past tense?



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reply to pnh102

Re: Netflix betting on future Hollywood may not let them have

said by pnh102:

I can see Hollywood eventually raising the price of content licensing for Netflix to a point that forces Netflix to essentially price itself out of business.

That apparently is Netflix's plan - end the DVD rental business all together.
»www.splatf.com/2011/09/netflix-qwikster/

Further down the road, I wouldn’t be surprised if Qwikster breaks off completely from Netflix, is sold off to another company, or merges with another DVD service, like Redbox.

Why is this happening? Because the future of Netflix is streaming videos. Period. Not mailing them to your house via the U.S. Postal Service, but delivering them to your TV and devices over the Internet.

But to get there, Netflix first has to convince Hollywood to stream its best movies, and it needs to train consumers to stream movies as a default behavior. That means making sure that the streaming business can stand on its own. And that means separating DVDs from the equation, and doing as much as possible to get everyone to stop using them, short of blatant sabotage. (What, you think the bad name, “Qwikster,” is an accident?)


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SysOp

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Call it what ever you want I'll still be a customer

I am one of the million who dropped streaming. However, I went from 1 DVD to 2 DVDs by mail.

Goofy name but who cares.



88615298
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reply to tshirt

Re: Also adding video game rentals

said by tshirt:

said by 88615298:

No one has brought his up. I've only had streaming never saw the value of renting DVD by mail. Video games would be different. So depending on pricing I might actually get the disc rental now. Hmmm more money for Netflix. Yep Netflix is sure being dumb.

But they could have added games at any time, without the price hike

Oh so netflix should still be renting up to 10 DVDs a month per customer for $2 month? How is that a sustainable business model?


88615298
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reply to wings10

Re: What about others

said by wings10:

People say the "Industry" is trying to kill Netflix by raising the cost for them to do business with all the major studios.

But then why don't they go after Red Box and Blockbuster as well?

Why do they all hate Netflix?

They have gone after Redbox. And all the haters that hope Netflix folds, well if they do you can kiss Redbox goodbye too because Hollywood will focus all thier efforts on them. So goodbye to $1 rentals say hello to 60 or even 90 waiting periods. Careful what you wish for haters.


88615298
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reply to Tweakbl

Re: I got emailed the Explaination

said by Tweakbl:

I got emailed the Explaination From Netflix.

I never subscribed to the DVD parts at all anyway as I seen it as a waste of my money when I could stream,although current releases on Streaming would be nice.

You won't see that at $8 a month. Hollywood won't allow it.


88615298
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Re: Call it what ever you want I'll still be a customer

said by SysOp:

I am one of the million who dropped streaming. However, I went from 1 DVD to 2 DVDs by mail.

Goofy name but who cares.

A million did not drop streaming. And you gave Netflix more money on the DVD side.