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Re: Netflix betting on future Hollywood may not let them havesaid by 88615298:said by FFH5:Netflix making a mistake: »gigaom.com/video/netflix ··· -future/ quote: You also lose the power of the bundle. One reason cable companies have been aggressively pushing triple-play packages over the last several years is that users who subscribe to two or more services are much less likely to quit. By separating DVD-by-mail and streaming businesses into separate billing relationships with subscribers, Netflix is exposing both to potentially higher churn.
Netflix tried to bundle and everyone when ape shit over having to pay $16 for both. Sorry charging only $2 for renting 10 DVDs a month is not a sustainable business model yeah, no discount, if i bundle video, internet, phone, thru my cable company, guess what? i get a discount. so instead of charging me $16 for dvd and streaming, how about, oh i dont know, $10 for 1 dvd and streaming, now thats a nice discount that would get me to keep both... oh, but wait......... |
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wings10I Am Legend Premium Member join:2004-06-09 South Elgin, IL |
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2011-Sep-19 10:20 am
What about othersPeople say the "Industry" is trying to kill Netflix by raising the cost for them to do business with all the major studios.
But then why don't they go after Red Box and Blockbuster as well?
Why do they all hate Netflix? |
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2011-Sep-19 10:31 am
said by wings10:People say the "Industry" is trying to kill But then why don't they go after Red Box and Blockbuster as well? They did go after Redbox. Hollywood was the force that decided to make Redbox (and perhaps Blockbuster, I really don't know) wait a month after a DVD is released before they are able to put the title in their machines. |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium Member join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD |
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said by wings10:But then why don't they go after Red Box and Blockbuster as well?
Why do they all hate Netflix? They have gone after Redbox with their extended waiting period for DVD rentals for new releases. I don't know why this waiting period does not apply to Blockbuster though. I am going to guess that Hollywood is more focused on selling DVDs and Blu-Ray Discs as opposed to renting out the right to watch movies or TV shows for a little bit of time. But it seems most people have simply given up on physical media because of the high costs. |
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shimonmor Premium Member join:2000-12-30 Sedro Woolley, WA |
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2011-Sep-19 10:44 am
@Qwikster» techcrunch.com/2011/09/1 ··· runch%29Guess someone at Qwikster didn't do their homework. |
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Re: Napster died how many years ago?It sounds like they didn't put 30 seconds thought into the new name. Why not call it BearFrostLimeSter? Qwikster already has a mascot they can license from Nestle:
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Screavics Premium Member join:2011-06-23 Pearcy, AR |
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Re: CancelledYeah I thought about streaming only but their selection is so limited. I can only watch a show so many times before I get sick of it for awhile. It would probably be good if I had kids because there is a lot of kids movies but just not enough other shows and movies to peak my interest to stay. Heck I wouldn't even mind if they loaded the on demand catalog down with older movies. |
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dcurrey Premium Member join:2004-06-29 Mason, OH |
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Re: Groan......gotta keep track of two accounts, now?Well gee. That is one reason why I didn't want to do a Netflix / Blockbuster split didn't want to deal with two accounts. Billed twice two different website to search etc. Guess they have more or less told me to go to blockbuster. Price is same for 1 dvd plus blue-ray so what the hell.
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steven s Premium Member join:2002-09-14 Dearborn, MI |
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Streaming went from free to $8. |
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jmn1207 Premium Member join:2000-07-19 Sterling, VA |
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2011-Sep-19 11:20 am
FLICK YouI was hoping they could be more creative with the new name.
I like, 'Go FLICK Yourself'. |
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steven s Premium Member join:2002-09-14 Dearborn, MI |
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Re: Netflix betting on future Hollywood may not let them havesaid by 88615298: mythical 60% price hike. What? |
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riturno
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2011-Sep-19 11:32 am
Removing ValueThis split was telegraphed over a year ago. Over a year ago they started removing DVD queue management from iOS applications and other little changes followed separating the two.
Now they are removing the links between the DVD and streaming queues. For me this was one of the great values that Netflix had. I could put something into my DVD queue, and if it became available for streaming, I would know.
Also, since I am terrible at remembering what films we've seen, I was foolishly using Netflix for this. I guess that I'll have to find some other way to do this.
Hastings disingenuous tone in both his personalized email, and his comments on his blog post don't do him any favors.
No matter his business rationale, this split removes value for me. We were just about to cut our cable subscription, but after these changes, I am reconsidering. |
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Tweakbl
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2011-Sep-19 11:39 am
I got emailed the ExplainationI got emailed the Explaination From Netflix.
I never subscribed to the DVD parts at all anyway as I seen it as a waste of my money when I could stream,although current releases on Streaming would be nice. |
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2011-Sep-19 11:39 am
Hysterical, indeedThe 1 million figure is but a projection, not historical fact. It hasn't happened yet.
It probably will come to pass, but why are bloggers and journalists so eager to report it in the past tense? |
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2011-Sep-19 11:54 am
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Re: Netflix betting on future Hollywood may not let them havesaid by pnh102:I can see Hollywood eventually raising the price of content licensing for Netflix to a point that forces Netflix to essentially price itself out of business. That apparently is Netflix's plan - end the DVD rental business all together. » www.splatf.com/2011/09/n ··· wikster/Further down the road, I wouldnt be surprised if Qwikster breaks off completely from Netflix, is sold off to another company, or merges with another DVD service, like Redbox.
Why is this happening? Because the future of Netflix is streaming videos. Period. Not mailing them to your house via the U.S. Postal Service, but delivering them to your TV and devices over the Internet.
But to get there, Netflix first has to convince Hollywood to stream its best movies, and it needs to train consumers to stream movies as a default behavior. That means making sure that the streaming business can stand on its own. And that means separating DVDs from the equation, and doing as much as possible to get everyone to stop using them, short of blatant sabotage. (What, you think the bad name, Qwikster, is an accident?) |
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2011-Sep-19 12:04 pm
Call it what ever you want I'll still be a customerI am one of the million who dropped streaming. However, I went from 1 DVD to 2 DVDs by mail.
Goofy name but who cares. |
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88615298 (banned) join:2004-07-28 West Tenness |
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Re: Also adding video game rentalssaid by tshirt:said by 88615298:No one has brought his up. I've only had streaming never saw the value of renting DVD by mail. Video games would be different. So depending on pricing I might actually get the disc rental now. Hmmm more money for Netflix. Yep Netflix is sure being dumb. But they could have added games at any time, without the price hike Oh so netflix should still be renting up to 10 DVDs a month per customer for $2 month? How is that a sustainable business model? |
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Re: What about otherssaid by wings10:People say the "Industry" is trying to kill Netflix by raising the cost for them to do business with all the major studios.
But then why don't they go after Red Box and Blockbuster as well?
Why do they all hate Netflix? They have gone after Redbox. And all the haters that hope Netflix folds, well if they do you can kiss Redbox goodbye too because Hollywood will focus all thier efforts on them. So goodbye to $1 rentals say hello to 60 or even 90 waiting periods. Careful what you wish for haters. |
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Re: I got emailed the Explainationsaid by Tweakbl:I got emailed the Explaination From Netflix.
I never subscribed to the DVD parts at all anyway as I seen it as a waste of my money when I could stream,although current releases on Streaming would be nice. You won't see that at $8 a month. Hollywood won't allow it. |
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Re: Call it what ever you want I'll still be a customersaid by SysOp:I am one of the million who dropped streaming. However, I went from 1 DVD to 2 DVDs by mail.
Goofy name but who cares. A million did not drop streaming. And you gave Netflix more money on the DVD side. |
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Re: Netflix betting on future Hollywood may not let them havesaid by thedragonmas:yeah, no discount, if i bundle video, internet, phone, thru my cable company, guess what? i get a discount. so instead of charging me $16 for dvd and streaming, how about, oh i dont know, $10 for 1 dvd and streaming, now thats a nice discount that would get me to keep both... oh, but wait......... Excuse me but as I said show me where you renting 6, 8 or 10 DVDs a month for $2 is profitable for Netflix? Which part of this is too hard for you to get? you pay $50 or more to your cable company for crap on TV which is mostly commericials. I bet if Netflix could get those 24 million to pay $30 a month you'd have a shitload of newer content on Netflix but people woud bitch about the price. |
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Re: Groan......gotta keep track of two accounts, now?my streaming went from 8 to 8 |
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Re: Netflix betting on future Hollywood may not let them havesaid by NPGMBR:You have to keep in mind that this move means that Netflix (Qwikster) will be purchasing fewer DVDs. Consumers have not gotten used to the idea of not buying them so the Studios will lose out. Yep Hollywood doesn't get that if Netflix and RedBox went out of business they'd be losing the 2 largest buyers of DVDs. If they think DVD sales are bad now...... |
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jfmezei Premium Member join:2007-01-03 Pointe-Claire, QC |
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2011-Sep-19 12:32 pm
Acceess to rights is the keyRemember that Netflix just lost access to a big library of content from Starz (sp?). By splitting the 2, it allows Netflix to wage a war on one side to get rights without affecting the other side's access to content. My new sony vcr allows me to rent sony pictures at $5.99 a shot. Great integration with internet connected vcrs (ok, it is a blue ray player bit I still call it a vcr But Sony would rather I do business with them directly at a higher price than do business with Netflix. Netflix did manage to build its brand before hollywood woke up and saw it as a threath. Same with YouTube. I am betting they are planning to survive long enough until Hollywood begins to accept and support this. What is likely to happen though is that while Hollywood will reluctantly agree to a reduction of their profit margins, they will probably force Netflix to raise prices. Hollywood doesn't want to kill off DVD/BD sales even though they will go the way of teh CD. People will only buy blue rays for movies that are worth keeping (big stuff like star wars, avatar etc). |
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Re: Groan......gotta keep track of two accounts, now?me too. I may get a new Qwikster account for PS3 games. |
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88615298 (banned) join:2004-07-28 West Tenness |
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Re: Netflix betting on future Hollywood may not let them haveWell all the haters said "All netflix cusomers got a 60% price hike" let's examine that. 41% have streaming only. No price hike 9% have DVD only no stream. Got a price REDUCTION. That's 50% right there. Of the 50% that had both streaming and DVD how many had the 1 DVD at a time plan? Maybe half at most. That is the ONLY plan where the price was raised 60%. HUGE difference between ALL and 25%. |
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Re: Groan......gotta keep track of two accounts, now?DVD accounts went from getting streaming free (for a long time) to having to pay for it (like everyone else who just wanted streaming), plus getting a $2 fee reduction for DVDs. |
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It's a scam to make us subscribe twice!Hey Reed, How about making more movies available for streaming? Every movie I look for says it's only available on DVD!!!! |
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Re: Netflix not so smart?said by spewak:You keep rehashing the Netflix CEO's rantings! Look where it has put them. They split the company. Their stock nosedived. The Industry wants to kill Netflix. If you and Reed don't see that yet, it is back to Business 101 for the lot of ya! So renting 8 DVDs a month per customer for $2 is a viable business solution. Yeah ok business guru. Stick nosedived because investors are morons. |
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Im actually ok with itI actually accept the 'apology' even though they are not calling it that in the email I got. It explains to me anyway very clearly what they intend to do and why they did. Now, had they said all of this prior to the price change announcement, how many people would be fired up by that and touting 60% price hike complaints. I suspect that had you been told why the price is going that way and that the company is splitting and for that offering video game rentals now as well with the DVD mailing business model..youd be ok with the change. I am. Not enough to re-sign for a combo disc and streaming I am pure streaming..
That said...they have a long way to go on streaming side to win me over on it being worth the $8 a month. And the second they start getting big name content back if that price starts inching up more and more...im out. But the loss of Starz was the closest thing to somewhat relevant content they had going for them.
My point is this. If Netflix is to survive as a streaming service, I need more than Japanese cartoons, tired old low rated TV series (for the most part), horrible weak-sauce B movies and documentaries no one cares about. I dont care if I have to wait 60 days etc like others, but get me relevant AAA content....still for only $8-10 a month. Or Im out. Period. Not paying $25-45 a month just to get what everyone wants and dreams for Netflix to be (which is the price the industry would love) |
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