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Comments on news posted 2011-09-19 08:55:54: Last week Netflix acknowledged that the company's decision to split apart their DVD rental and streaming tiers -- and impose a massive rate hike in the process -- resulted in them losing a million more subscribers than previously predicted. ..

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N10Cities
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Groan......gotta keep track of two accounts, now?

I can see why they did this....long ago they said that streaming was their future, hence 'Net'flix name.......

Now, I got to keep track of two accounts instead of one...oh well....still pretty good bang for the buck.....

88615298
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Re: Groan......gotta keep track of two accounts, now?

said by N10Cities:

I can see why they did this....long ago they said that streaming was their future, hence 'Net'flix name.......

Now, I got to keep track of two accounts instead of one...oh well....still pretty good bang for the buck.....

Well the people that dropped DVD and went with RedBox had 2 account anyways right?

aciddrink

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Re: Groan......gotta keep track of two accounts, now?

said by 88615298:

Well the people that dropped DVD and went with RedBox had 2 account anyways right?

You just have to argue with every single post, don't you? We get it, you like to take the opposite view than everybody else on every single topic in every news article. It's cute, we all get it. Now you can stop.

In response to the OP. Yeah the split did suck, but how realistic was an $8 all you can eat buffet for the long run? I saw a price hike as inevitable. Lets just hope they can get some better content for streaming now.

88615298
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Re: Groan......gotta keep track of two accounts, now?

said by aciddrink:

said by 88615298:

Well the people that dropped DVD and went with RedBox had 2 account anyways right?

You just have to argue with every single post, don't you? We get it, you like to take the opposite view than everybody else on every single topic in every news article. It's cute, we all get it. Now you can stop.

No I'm pointing out how hypocritical some people are being. and I'm not talking about the OP.

In response to the OP. Yeah the split did suck, but how realistic was an $8 all you can eat buffet for the long run? I saw a price hike as inevitable. Lets just hope they can get some better content for streaming now.

Thew streaming never got a price increase. So I'm not sure what you were referring too.
steven s
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Re: Groan......gotta keep track of two accounts, now?

Streaming went from free to $8.

crazediamond
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Re: Groan......gotta keep track of two accounts, now?

my streaming went from 8 to 8

yongar

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Re: Groan......gotta keep track of two accounts, now?

me too.
I may get a new Qwikster account for PS3 games.
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DVD accounts went from getting streaming free (for a long time) to having to pay for it (like everyone else who just wanted streaming), plus getting a $2 fee reduction for DVDs.
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said by steven s:

Streaming went from free to $8.

That's the problem! If they added streaming, and said "one free stream per month, additional are 50 cents per" that would have been a welcome add-on, use it, don't use it. Then as people used it more and more, offer to add unlimited streaming for $8. For people streaming every day, twice a day (i'm thinking families with multiple tvs) that would be a deal. They set it up as free, and then tried to price it at $8.
Me, I might have streamed 4 in the last year, so I just saved $2/mo going back to DVD only. I'm not upset at all. But, they missed the chance to make a few dollars by not offering me a pay per stream, for the kid, not me, I can wait for next DVD.

aciddrink

join:2000-08-26
said by 88615298:

Thew streaming never got a price increase. So I'm not sure what you were referring too.

True. Come to think of it, it was $8 for streaming and an additional $2 for DVD. So technically no, streaming was not changed. The only people really affected are those that pay for both streaming and DVD, with a $6 increase.

If I recall, a couple years ago it was just $8 for everything...That's probably what I was thinking.

wings10
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said by N10Cities:

I can see why they did this....long ago they said that streaming was their future, hence 'Net'flix name.......

...oh well....still pretty good bang for the buck.....

I agree.
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Well gee. That is one reason why I didn't want to do a Netflix / Blockbuster split didn't want to deal with two accounts. Billed twice two different website to search etc. Guess they have more or less told me to go to blockbuster. Price is same for 1 dvd plus blue-ray so what the hell.


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said by N10Cities:

I can see why they did this....long ago they said that streaming was their future, hence 'Net'flix name.......

Now, I got to keep track of two accounts instead of one...oh well....still pretty good bang for the buck.....

calling it Quits-ter

Metatron2008
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united state

Awesome

Need to name the main service now Netflikster

dib22

join:2002-01-27
Kansas City, MO

Re: Awesome

I mean... Qwikster?

Netflix and Mailflix makes so much more sense.

...even Netflix Instant and Netflix?... the we could watch the NI.
jims2321

join:2000-04-05
Oviedo, FL

Netflix not so smart?

The biggest reason I think Netflix is going to suffer is that their streaming side lacks current content. This alone will hurt their bottom line. Then the inability to stream if the user is a dvd subscriber. This really is going to impact their business.
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Re: Netflix not so smart?

said by jims2321:

This really is going to impact their business.

They are writing off DVD by mail business by renaming it and spinning it off. This is a purely financial move to get that business off the books of Netflix so that as DVD by mail is killed off it won't drag down the Netflix stock price. All the pretty words by Netflix's CEO is nothing but a smokescreen for the investors.
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88615298
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said by jims2321:

The biggest reason I think Netflix is going to suffer is that their streaming side lacks current content. This alone will hurt their bottom line. Then the inability to stream if the user is a dvd subscriber. This really is going to impact their business.

These moves by Netflix will allow them to get more content for streaming. Why people don't get this is beyond me.

if the person is DVD only subscriber they can't stream anyways. So I don't get your point.

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Re: Netflix not so smart?

said by 88615298:

These moves by Netflix will allow them to get more content for streaming.

You say that, but do you have any proof? All actions so far say Hollywood is intent on drying up their content or raising costs so high that users will abandon Netflix as their prices start doubling and tripling.
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88615298
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Re: Netflix not so smart?

said by FFH5:

said by 88615298:

These moves by Netflix will allow them to get more content for streaming.

You say that, but do you have any proof? All actions so far say Hollywood is intent on drying up their content or raising costs so high that users will abandon Netflix as their prices start doubling and tripling.

Sure. Before the "price increase" 1 DVD at a time and streaming was $10. So basically people were getting up to 10 DVDs a month delivered for $2 a month. That's a loss leader. That money saved can be used for streaming content. Also they project 800K fewer DVD only subscibers. Ok that 's fewer DVDs that need to be bought fewer red envelopes to be bought, less postage to be paid. Once again that money saved can be used to acquire more streaming content.

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Re: Netflix not so smart?

said by 88615298:

said by FFH5:

said by 88615298:

These moves by Netflix will allow them to get more content for streaming.

You say that, but do you have any proof? All actions so far say Hollywood is intent on drying up their content or raising costs so high that users will abandon Netflix as their prices start doubling and tripling.

Sure. Before the "price increase" 1 DVD at a time and streaming was $10. So basically people were getting up to 10 DVDs a month delivered for $2 a month. That's a loss leader. That money saved can be used for streaming content. Also they project 800K fewer DVD only subscibers. Ok that 's fewer DVDs that need to be bought fewer red envelopes to be bought, less postage to be paid. Once again that money saved can be used to acquire more streaming content.

You keep rehashing the Netflix CEO's rantings! Look where it has put them. They split the company. Their stock nosedived. The Industry wants to kill Netflix. If you and Reed don't see that yet, it is back to Business 101 for the lot of ya!
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88615298
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Re: Netflix not so smart?

said by spewak:

You keep rehashing the Netflix CEO's rantings! Look where it has put them. They split the company. Their stock nosedived. The Industry wants to kill Netflix. If you and Reed don't see that yet, it is back to Business 101 for the lot of ya!

So renting 8 DVDs a month per customer for $2 is a viable business solution. Yeah ok business guru.

Stick nosedived because investors are morons.

Jason Levine
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What you're ignoring is that, before the split, Netflix used their DVD service to negotiate with studios. They agreed to a 30 day DVD waiting period and, in return, got more streaming titles (and reduced DVD prices).

Now what will they use to negotiate with the studios who see any streaming as a threat to DVD sales?
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88615298
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Re: Netflix not so smart?

said by Jason Levine:

What you're ignoring is that, before the split, Netflix used their DVD service to negotiate with studios. They agreed to a 30 day DVD waiting period and, in return, got more streaming titles (and reduced DVD prices).

Now what will they use to negotiate with the studios who see any streaming as a threat to DVD sales?

Streaming isn't the threat for newer movies. Not yet anyways. It's Netflix and Redbox allwoing DVD rentals for $1 or less. Back when video stores existed and charged $5 for a DVD some people said "heck for another $10 I can own the thing". Also the studios made more money from videos stores that charged $5 than when Netflix/Redbox charges $1.

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Re: Netflix not so smart?

The problem is that the studios *do* see streaming as a threat. They don't want people to be able to pay $8 a month and watch unlimited movies/TV shows. They want people to pay $15 (or more) to get the DVD.

They've consistently held back on allowing Netflix to stream recent titles. The Starz deal was a bit of a loophole that Netflix exploited. The studios hated it but couldn't do much about it. When the Starz deal ends, Netflix will need to ask the studios individually to allow them to stream recent movies. When that happens, Netflix will be at the studios' mercy as to what they get allowed to stream and at what price.
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Well how many DVDs have they bought from the studios.

Both sides are going to take a hit. Though Netflix looks to be trying to forcing the studios' hands. Well we are not going to be buying anymore DVDs which is a decrease in your pocket of millions, though we have this streaming service over here where you can make up some of that money.

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said by jims2321:

The biggest reason I think Netflix is going to suffer is that their streaming side lacks current content. This alone will hurt their bottom line. Then the inability to stream if the user is a dvd subscriber. This really is going to impact their business.

To add:
I don't think that their streaming content will get better anytime soon. People will realize that $8 is a waste for the same old rehashed content.
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88615298
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Re: Netflix not so smart?

said by spewak:

said by jims2321:

The biggest reason I think Netflix is going to suffer is that their streaming side lacks current content. This alone will hurt their bottom line. Then the inability to stream if the user is a dvd subscriber. This really is going to impact their business.

To add:
I don't think that their streaming content will get better anytime soon. People will realize that $8 is a waste for the same old rehashed content.

Netflix was ready to give Starz $250 mil a year for a new deal. That $250 mil will buy a lot of content from someone else. And not all of Netflix content is old. Heck I just watched the Expendables and The Fighter on Netflix streaming and no it's wasn't Starz Play either. It was regular Netflix and in HD unlike Starz movies.

FFH5
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said by jims2321:

This really is going to impact their business.

Stock down another 5% today and down about 50% since mid July:
»finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=NFLX···ndefined

Their CEO is apologizing because the board is going to toss his butt on the street soon if the stock keeps dropping.
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Re: Netflix not so smart?

said by FFH5:

said by jims2321:

This really is going to impact their business.

Stock down another 5% today and down about 50% since mid July:
»finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=NFLX···ndefined

Their CEO is apologizing because the board is going to toss his butt on the street soon if the stock keeps dropping.

Even in his apology he seems indifferent and cocky.

F him. I dropped them.

KrK
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They are being savaged on their blog. Rightly so. Nobody likes this move. Not customers, not investors, not pundits.

If they are smart they will back up on this.

.... I don't think they will.
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I am going to laugh hard when the studios get their wish of a world without Netflix.

and then suddenly see their piracy numbers skyrocket. of course they will blame the pirates and not their own blundering stupidity of pushing licensing costs beyond greedy when working with Netflix.
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The issue here is the Netflix and the studios seem to be equally cocky and greedy. A perfect match.

I can understand trying to split the DVD business but the did is wrong, VERY wrong.

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New Logo

Qwikster? Where have we heard this before?

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Re: New Logo

Ha, I was thinking that too. That's what happens when you have kids I guess.

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fifty nine

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You can take physical media out of my cold dead hands

Physical media, unlike streaming can be watched as many times as you wish and can't be pulled at a moment's notice.

I can also show movie for the kids on a long road trip where there is no net access for miles. Not to mention if I have no net access at home (cable will probably be out too) that I can pop in a disc and still watch a movie.

Those two are the biggest reasons I will continue to buy content on physical media.

Sure, streaming is convenient but physical media still has quite a few advantages.

ahhnold

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Re: You can take physical media out of my cold dead hands

said by fifty nine:

Physical media, unlike streaming can be watched as many times as you wish and can't be pulled at a moment's notice.

The other advantage of physical media is picture quality and multichannel audio. I never liked the overall quality of any streamed content and the lack of multichannel audio are deal breakers for me. Given I don't watch too many movies a month I will stick with Blu-Ray discs.

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Netflix betting on future Hollywood may not let them have

»Netflix Splits Off DVD Rentals, Calls It 'Qwikster'
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While the move is being lamented in the media as a failure before it even begins, it simply signals that Netflix sees the future and plans to focus on what future subscribers will want -- before many even realize they want it.
But will Hollywood let Netflix get to where it says users want to go? Netflix is putting itself at the mercy of the MPAA and so far the MPAA wants to see Netflix die. By betting its future on streaming, Netflix just handed its fate over to the Hollywood studios.
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Taget

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Napster died how many years ago?

I mean as something relevant to absolutely anyone. I'm sure the zombie still roams somewhere or another.

But I digress. Is it really necessary to come up with a dumb name.... any dumb name... just so you have the honor of something that sounds similar?

At least be a bit more recent and call yourself "iQwik" or "FaceDisc" or well to be honest just about any name you could possibly think of would be better than "Qwikster."

MooJohn

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Re: Napster died how many years ago?

It sounds like they didn't put 30 seconds thought into the new name. Why not call it BearFrostLimeSter?

Qwikster already has a mascot they can license from Nestle:



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Screavics
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Cancelled

I have been questioning Netflix with the cost hike and all but this was the over the top decision. I have now cancelled and I will not be alone from the comments I have heard and read on his blog... I will just keep my basic cable and watch the commercials, it's only $10 / more a month vs just having internet...

88615298
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Re: Cancelled

said by Screavics:

I have been questioning Netflix with the cost hike and all but this was the over the top decision. I have now cancelled and I will not be alone from the comments I have heard and read on his blog... I will just keep my basic cable and watch the commercials, it's only $10 / more a month vs just having internet...

If you had streaming only you never got a price hike.

Screavics
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Re: Cancelled

Yeah I thought about streaming only but their selection is so limited. I can only watch a show so many times before I get sick of it for awhile. It would probably be good if I had kids because there is a lot of kids movies but just not enough other shows and movies to peak my interest to stay. Heck I wouldn't even mind if they loaded the on demand catalog down with older movies.

88615298
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Also adding video game rentals

No one has brought his up. I've only had streaming never saw the value of renting DVD by mail. Video games would be different. So depending on pricing I might actually get the disc rental now. Hmmm more money for Netflix. Yep Netflix is sure being dumb.

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lordfly

join:2000-10-12
Homestead, FL

My thoughts - if anyone cares

I personally cancelled the dvd subscription mostly because I was not getting enough out of it anyway. I like Netflix and there are a lot of movies that my kids like to watch on there. There is still a ton of stuff that I have not ever seen and I will eventually caught up. If I do find something that I really like, I will probably by it on DVD or Blu-ray at Walmart.

So I don't care about the waiting time for new stuff. It used to take 12 months or more to see movies released to VHS. Why is everyone in such a hurry? It seems so strange to see movies go straight to media in under a month.

I also like Crackle, which has old movies and tv shows that I like. Plus it is free.

wings10
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What about others

People say the "Industry" is trying to kill Netflix by raising the cost for them to do business with all the major studios.

But then why don't they go after Red Box and Blockbuster as well?

Why do they all hate Netflix?
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shimonmor
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@Qwikster

»techcrunch.com/2011/09/18/uh-oh-···runch%29

Guess someone at Qwikster didn't do their homework.

jmn1207
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FLICK You

I was hoping they could be more creative with the new name.

I like, 'Go FLICK Yourself'.

riturno

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Removing Value

This split was telegraphed over a year ago. Over a year ago they started removing DVD queue management from iOS applications and other little changes followed separating the two.

Now they are removing the links between the DVD and streaming queues. For me this was one of the great values that Netflix had. I could put something into my DVD queue, and if it became available for streaming, I would know.

Also, since I am terrible at remembering what films we've seen, I was foolishly using Netflix for this. I guess that I'll have to find some other way to do this.

Hastings disingenuous tone in both his personalized email, and his comments on his blog post don't do him any favors.

No matter his business rationale, this split removes value for me. We were just about to cut our cable subscription, but after these changes, I am reconsidering.

Tweakbl

join:2008-09-25
Rosedale, WV

I got emailed the Explaination

I got emailed the Explaination From Netflix.

I never subscribed to the DVD parts at all anyway as I seen it as a waste of my money when I could stream,although current releases on Streaming would be nice.

88615298
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Re: I got emailed the Explaination

said by Tweakbl:

I got emailed the Explaination From Netflix.

I never subscribed to the DVD parts at all anyway as I seen it as a waste of my money when I could stream,although current releases on Streaming would be nice.

You won't see that at $8 a month. Hollywood won't allow it.
elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA

Hysterical, indeed

The 1 million figure is but a projection, not historical fact. It hasn't happened yet.

It probably will come to pass, but why are bloggers and journalists so eager to report it in the past tense?

SysOp

join:2001-04-18
Douglasville, GA

Call it what ever you want I'll still be a customer

I am one of the million who dropped streaming. However, I went from 1 DVD to 2 DVDs by mail.

Goofy name but who cares.

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jfmezei
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Acceess to rights is the key

Remember that Netflix just lost access to a big library of content from Starz (sp?).

By splitting the 2, it allows Netflix to wage a war on one side to get rights without affecting the other side's access to content.

My new sony vcr allows me to rent sony pictures at $5.99 a shot. Great integration with internet connected vcrs (ok, it is a blue ray player bit I still call it a vcr

But Sony would rather I do business with them directly at a higher price than do business with Netflix.

Netflix did manage to build its brand before hollywood woke up and saw it as a threath. Same with YouTube. I am betting they are planning to survive long enough until Hollywood begins to accept and support this.

What is likely to happen though is that while Hollywood will reluctantly agree to a reduction of their profit margins, they will probably force Netflix to raise prices.

Hollywood doesn't want to kill off DVD/BD sales even though they will go the way of teh CD. People will only buy blue rays for movies that are worth keeping (big stuff like star wars, avatar etc).

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ArizonaSteve

join:2004-01-31
Apache Junction, AZ

It's a scam to make us subscribe twice!

Hey Reed,
How about making more movies available for streaming?
Every movie I look for says it's only available on DVD!!!!

88615298
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Re: It's a scam to make us subscribe twice!

said by ArizonaSteve:

Hey Reed,
How about making more movies available for streaming?
Every movie I look for says it's only available on DVD!!!!

blame the studios not Netflix. This will require MUCH more money from Netflix. Money they could only get by raising prcies. Prices people are now bitching about. You can't have it both ways.
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Im actually ok with it

I actually accept the 'apology' even though they are not calling it that in the email I got. It explains to me anyway very clearly what they intend to do and why they did. Now, had they said all of this prior to the price change announcement, how many people would be fired up by that and touting 60% price hike complaints. I suspect that had you been told why the price is going that way and that the company is splitting and for that offering video game rentals now as well with the DVD mailing business model..youd be ok with the change. I am. Not enough to re-sign for a combo disc and streaming I am pure streaming..

That said...they have a long way to go on streaming side to win me over on it being worth the $8 a month. And the second they start getting big name content back if that price starts inching up more and more...im out. But the loss of Starz was the closest thing to somewhat relevant content they had going for them.

My point is this. If Netflix is to survive as a streaming service, I need more than Japanese cartoons, tired old low rated TV series (for the most part), horrible weak-sauce B movies and documentaries no one cares about. I dont care if I have to wait 60 days etc like others, but get me relevant AAA content....still for only $8-10 a month. Or Im out. Period. Not paying $25-45 a month just to get what everyone wants and dreams for Netflix to be (which is the price the industry would love)

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