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Comments on news posted 2011-09-23 09:13:44: Last January the FCC issued an order (pdf) designed to put an end to cable operators preventing competitors from accessing local sports channels owned by the cable company. ..

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pnh102
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Wrong Answer

Is the FCC going to compensate Cablevision for the expropriation of its private property for public benefit? I didn't think it would either.

Perhaps if content providers were not allowed to own content delivery networks, this would not be an issue, but the FCC is in an oh-so-happy-approve-every-merger mood so we won't be seeing this happen any time soon.
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mogamer

join:2011-04-20
Royal Oak, MI

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said by pnh102:

Is the FCC going to compensate Cablevision for the expropriation of its private property for public benefit? I didn't think it would either.

Perhaps if content providers were not allowed to own content delivery networks, this would not be an issue, but the FCC is in an oh-so-happy-approve-every-merger mood so we won't be seeing this happen any time soon.

Exactly. The FCC is so worried about competition, yet allowed Comcast to become one of the biggest content providers in the world. If the FCC really wanted true competition, they should have either not allowed the merger or make Comcast sell off it's internet/phone services, while preventing them from withholding content from the new service. Thus allowing for more competition in delivery of content.


Transmaster
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This is funny when all of this started people where worried about what at the time was called vertical integration. People warned what would happen if Comcast and Times Warner, etc owned everything from the production companies to the means of getting out it to viewers. Their predictions have come true.
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fuziwuzi
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reply to pnh102

said by pnh102:

Is the FCC going to compensate Cablevision for the expropriation of its private property for public benefit? I didn't think it would either.

The FCC isn't ruling that Cablevision must give away the content free of charge. They are still able to negotiate a fee that Verizon and AT&T must pay to carry those channels. The problem was that Cablevision refused to allow them to carry the channels at any price.
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JasonOD

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reply to pnh102

Hold up...... Doesn't Cablevision still get to charge for this access plus reserve ad blocks on those channels?

Not saying it's right for them to be forced to open up, but they still get compensated for it, right?


m8trix

join:2003-12-24
Phoenix, AZ
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makes no sense

so wait cablevision cant restrict a channel they own but Directv can have exclusive rights to NFL ticket..makes no sense



45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY

Apples and oranges.



Greg2600

join:2008-05-20
Belleville, NJ
reply to m8trix

said by m8trix:

so wait cablevision cant restrict a channel they own but Directv can have exclusive rights to NFL ticket..makes no sense

DirecTV doesn't own NFL Sunday Ticket, that comes from the NFL, who are not a cable company.


nycdave
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said by m8trix:

so wait cablevision cant restrict a channel they own but Directv can have exclusive rights to NFL ticket..makes no sense

Sunday Ticket was open to anyone who wanted to bid on it. MSG-HD is restricted to those who don't compete directly with Cablevision, like Verizon and AT&T....


mob
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reply to JasonOD

Re: Wrong Answer

said by JasonOD :

Hold up...... Doesn't Cablevision still get to charge for this access plus reserve ad blocks on those channels?

Not saying it's right for them to be forced to open up, but they still get compensated for it, right?

Yes the businesses involved and some people here are complaining about having the option to make even more money for nothing.
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Dodge
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I don't get how this is an issue

FCC Can't make cablevision give out content for free, why can't cablevision just say, ok, we want a trillion dollars a year for this and we keep all of the ad blocks? Don't like it don't buy it.

Am I missing something?



fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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reply to fuziwuzi

Re: Wrong Answer

said by fuziwuzi:

said by pnh102:

Is the FCC going to compensate Cablevision for the expropriation of its private property for public benefit? I didn't think it would either.

The FCC isn't ruling that Cablevision must give away the content free of charge. They are still able to negotiate a fee that Verizon and AT&T must pay to carry those channels. The problem was that Cablevision refused to allow them to carry the channels at any price.

The FCC is ruling that Cablevision give up its competitive advantage for public benefit.

I also don't see any reason why the FCC should force cablevision to give up its advantage to competitors while Verizon isn't obligated to share its fiber network.

robjlevin

join:2002-10-30
Millington, NJ
reply to nycdave

Re: makes no sense

and DirecTV?



fifty nine

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reply to Greg2600

said by Greg2600:

said by m8trix:

so wait cablevision cant restrict a channel they own but Directv can have exclusive rights to NFL ticket..makes no sense

DirecTV doesn't own NFL Sunday Ticket, that comes from the NFL, who are not a cable company.

And that may be the endgame here. Don't count out the Dolans yet.


cypherstream
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Can this apply to Comcast Sportsnet Philly?

I'd love to see Comcast Sportsnet Philadelphia come to DirecTV.

Can they use the outcome of this case to make it happen for that network too?

I went to catch the Phillies game last night on MASN HD. Guess what... stupid error message saying the game is not available in this area. Ok so then I went to check out the Yankee's game on SNY. Same message.

Whats with DirecTV padding their HD channel count when you can't even watch half of the sports channels due to some archaic blackout restrictions?



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Re: I don't get how this is an issue

said by Dodge:

FCC Can't make cablevision give out content for free, why can't cablevision just say, ok, we want a trillion dollars a year for this and we keep all of the ad blocks? Don't like it don't buy it.

Am I missing something?

Logic, don't let that trouble you though.
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mob
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Re: Can this apply to Comcast Sportsnet Philly?

said by cypherstream:

Whats with DirecTV padding their HD channel count when you can't even watch half of the sports channels due to some archaic blackout restrictions?

"Professional sports" and broadcast have a relationship in which consumers play role of just a wallet.

I view pro sports as socialism for the wealthy.
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majortom1029

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wait

Doesnt this change now that msg and cablevision are two seperate companies?


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to fifty nine

Re: Wrong Answer

How, in even your corporate friendly view, can you possible say that since one has to give access to content the other has to give access to the network? They are 2 totally different things.

They have no justifiable reason to withhold the HD content, especially considering they provided it in SD. This is the exact reason why content owners should not be allowed to also be content delivers.


robjlevin

join:2002-10-30
Millington, NJ
reply to Dodge

Re: I don't get how this is an issue

Yeah, you're missing the fact that part of the ruling is that they can't make any compensation demands that differ from the rest of the deals they've made.

File it under logic.


Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to Dodge

Yes you are missing something.

If they attempt to charge them more than they charge others then they are still attempting to block access to those competitors and thus are still violating the same rules they were just slapped for.


robjlevin

join:2002-10-30
Millington, NJ
reply to cypherstream

Re: Can this apply to Comcast Sportsnet Philly?

It's the same thing. Withholding programming based on terrestrial distribution. DTV will eventually win the right to CSN Philly.

The blackouts are not decided by DTV. If you want out of market sports you'll need to buy the appropriate package. For baseball that's Extra Innings.



Gbcue
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reply to fifty nine

Re: Wrong Answer

Because it's anti-competitive to consumers.


robjlevin

join:2002-10-30
Millington, NJ
reply to majortom1029

Re: wait

No. It doesn't change a thing.


majortom1029

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Lindenhurst, NY
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said by robjlevin:

No. It doesn't change a thing.

Technically the company is not cable affiliated anymore. This would now be the same reason why direct tv can have nfl package and cablevision cant.

Also I am pretty sure the companies split up AFTER the ruling. The ruling came into effect this past june.

tpkatl

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And companies wonder why customers are cutting the cord

Somewhere along the line Cablevision (and its siblings) forgot that if you want to be successful, you have to pay some attention to customers.

So the cable companies get into these pissing matches with each other over .0003 additional percent revenue, and the public sees that and says "where is the channel that *I* want" in all this.

And the customer gets disgusted and leaves.

A plague on both their houses.


robjlevin

join:2002-10-30
Millington, NJ
reply to majortom1029

Re: wait

Still Apples and Oranges. The NFL opened the bidding and only DirecTV was willing to spend the money. This an EXCLUSIVE deal for OUT OF MARKET sports.

MSG, MSG+ and CSN Philly are NOT EXCLUSIVE (Cablevision sells to everyone but FiOS and ATT and Comcast to everyone but DTV and Dish) and are for LOCAL Market sports.



Smith6612
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About time!

Can finally watch the Buffalo Sabres in HD when I'm at a location with FiOS once the feed goes live. Right before Sabres season too.


majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
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reply to robjlevin

Re: wait

Its not cablevision anymore. Cablevision and msg are sperate companies now. From what the ruling states msg can do what they want because they are NOT cable affiliated anymore.


flashcore

join:2007-01-23
united state
reply to Smith6612

Re: About time!

Sure, so long as your talking about there 2020 season. This whole thing is LONG from being over, there will be court cases most likely all the way to the supreme court which will take years to have a final answer, then there will be years of price negotiations.