Kamus
join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX | really? Sure, we all want fiber and we want it now...
But... really? |
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 ThalerPremium
join:2004-02-02
Los Angeles, CA
kudos:3 | I Wasn't Aware... ...that Buffalo, New York was a race. Good to know! |
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| Population gap/density ? They're performing a profit margin based on city at a large basis vs. suburb / urban. As far as these cities go - its all over the map.
The main thing that I see in NYC and Philadelphia is population (direct in the city limit) in the +1 million mark. |
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| I think it's been fairly well proven that the only color Verizon pays any attention to is 'green'... and lots of it--the sooner the better; and if it ain't soon enough, well... you're stuck where you are with what you've got.
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 ·Millenicom
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| Change the state laws to allow public utility fiber builds. Change federal, state, and local laws that make it very difficult for public utilities or municipalities to do their own FTTH builds. Then Buffalo and other cities could build their own networks. The private sector is concerned only with short term profits. The public sector needs to be free to take care of the entire public's basic infrastructure needs. |
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| FIOS is in Buffalo FIOS is not deployed EVERYWHERE in Buffalo but it is there. It is in my Sister's neighborhood. I think the speed of the deployment has slowed but I was there last week asking if they were continuing deployment and he said that he saw Verizon still stringing fiber on the poles. |
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| HOA's are discriminated against as well Verizon would only install FIOS in our HOA IF the HOA would have everyone sign up for FIOS and the HOA did the billing. Fat chance of that ever happening. FIOS is elsewhere in the suburb I live in. |
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 rchandraStargate Universe fanPremium
join:2000-11-09
14225-2105 | reply to garynyny
Re: FIOS is in Buffalo Really? I hadn't heard of any at all. Where?
But it's certainly here in my part of Cheektowaga. But it's Inet and phone only; no TV, at least not yet. |
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 Oh_NoTrogglus normalus
join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL
2 edits | Racism??? LOL Only a retard would call it racism.
Economic discrimination? Of course there is economic discrimination.
Verizon is going to pick the most profitable market for them.
High population, more current internet customers, higher incomes (more customer potential), current area has a good on time payment rate, etc.
It is only coincidence that lower profitable areas have a higher black population. Being black does not make you less profitable and it is not verizons fault that coincidently the lower profit areas have a higher black (or whatever group) population. |
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 HarddriveProud American and Infidel since 1968.Premium
join:2000-09-20
Phone Room
kudos:2 | Maybe if there was some kickback... You know, like the one Rhode Island did. They gave Verizon what they wanted several years ago (State-wide franchise, etc). So in turn, Verizon has installed FiOS in pretty much all of Rhode Island as well as putting the FiOS call center in Providence, Rhode Island. Massachusetts was very upset at this because Verizon played Rhode Island and Massachusetts against each other for the call center.
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Oh_NoTrogglus normalus
join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL | reply to mathfaster
Re: HOA's are discriminated against as well said by mathfaster:Verizon would only install FIOS in our HOA IF the HOA would have everyone sign up for FIOS and the HOA did the billing. Fat chance of that ever happening. FIOS is elsewhere in the suburb I live in.
That is what you get for being in an HOA.
Many HOAs resell cable/internet so they can make money off the top. They will force all residents to pay for the cable/internet in their HOA fees every month. This way they get one large commercial account for the whole HOA and pocket the difference of the discount.
I can tell you that you have HOA rules governing that everyone must sign up to get Verizon. Those are not Verizons rules, they would gladly move in it weren't for your crappy HOA trying to make money off the top.
Dont let your HOA lie to you and blame verizon. |
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 LinklistPremium
join:2002-03-03
Longport, NJ
kudos:5 | reply to Oh_No
Re: Racism??? LOL said by Oh_No:Only a retard would call it racism.
Economic discrimination? Of course there is economic discrimination.
The cry of racism is just a way for an unhappy group to leverage press coverage and try to overturn a decision they don't like by appealing to current anti-discrimination laws. But as you say, this is economic redlining and nothing else.
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rchandraStargate Universe fanPremium
join:2000-11-09
14225-2105 | A semi-easy solution: move I did. I used to live on the border of Buffalo and West Seneca...just inside Buffalo. When I decided to pull the trigger on buying real estate, the top tie breaker was, FiOS available immediately? And I moved to where it was immediately available. Besides, you'd do very well moving anyway. My car insurance went down (I think) $75/yr., no more line item garbage pickup tax...probably other goodies I can't recall at the moment, but those are the two off the top of my head. I also hear West Seneca is nice, and they have oodles of FiOS.
I feel sorry in that respect for people who took jobs where Buffalo residency is a job requirement. Sorry, but sucks to be you.
If it weren't so far away, I'd heavily consider moving to KC so I can feel some of that Gbps love. What the heck...pretty much can't hurt, as it's bound to have more tech jobs available than around here.
Although I hated it where I was w/r/t (lack of good) Internet connectivity (wished they'd have offered FiOS), I don't fault them at all for choosing the areas where they'll recoup their investments faster (i.e., areas where generally higher income people live, therefore higher subscription percentage). I'm really miffed at people who think they're some sort of charity, that they ought to build out everywhere, just because they can (remember, can != should).
As for "racist"...I was not aware that the black folks (or anyone else for that matter) on my street were refused service. Just sayin'...
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Re: Change the state laws to allow public utility fiber builds. said by davidhoffman:Then Buffalo and other cities could build their own networks. With what money? They can't even keep the potholes patched in Buffalo or control their crime problem. Where do you suppose the money for a city wide fiber build is going to come from? |
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 birdfeedrPremium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
kudos:8 | reply to Harddrive
Re: Maybe if there was some kickback... said by Harddrive:(State-wide franchise, etc). So in turn, Verizon has installed FiOS in pretty much all of Rhode Island as well as putting the FiOS call center in Providence, Rhode Island.
State-wide franchise wasn't too difficult to get through. Only 38 municipal entities to make promises to.
State-wide installed base, though. Definitely not. Fiber is installed in denser areas, not so much in rural areas. South County is still waiting. Plus, I drive by quite a few intersections in my area where the orange duct is buried and comes up near overhead fiber. But they're not hooked up. I've been connected for 5 years. And these are not gated communities or HOAs. |
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| reply to Crookshanks
Re: Change the state laws to allow public utility fiber builds. I advocate mainly for electric company FTTH builds like EPB Fiber »epbfi.com/ in Chattanooga, TN, LUS Fiber »lusfiber.com/ in Lafayette, LA, Greelight »www.greenlightnc.com/ in Wilson, NC, and CDE Lightband »www.clarksvillede.com/HighSpeedInternet.asp in Clarksville, TN. They can use electric utility rights of way to go FTTH by basing the fiber on smart grid present and future uses. |
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HarddriveProud American and Infidel since 1968.Premium
join:2000-09-20
Phone Room
kudos:2 | reply to birdfeedr
Re: Maybe if there was some kickback... I was a member of IBEW 2323 when I worked for Avaya. It was the same Union that Verizon techs worked for. The stories I heard... Nothing illegal but the Union sure bends for whatever way helps them the most.
Verizon pretty much wired up the State where they want it. So what do they do with all the techs they hired to wire up the State? Can you say lay-off?
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BiggA
join:2005-11-23
EARTH | reply to mathfaster
Re: HOA's are discriminated against as well A) That should be illegal to bundle and limit consumer choice, but also, the HOA is so stupid. Verizon FIOS is far superior to cable. |
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BiggA
join:2005-11-23
EARTH | Ridiculous Verizon is just installing where it will make money. Poor areas that happen to be mostly black/latino likely won't subscribe to FIOS at as great a rate as richer, whiter suburbs. It has nothing to do with race per se, it's all about economics. |
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| hahaha.
They may not have it in San Francisco, or Pleasanton, or the whole Bay Area, but forgetting Buffalo? THE HORROR |
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