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Comments on news posted 2011-10-05 14:05:01: As had been rumored for some time, Microsoft today announced that they're expanding the volume of video content available via the Xbox 360 gaming console -- to some users. ..



aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA

I just hope they offer HD VOD on FiOS

That would be my only use for it since I have ten tuners from my TiVo Premieres on FiOS. I already have several Xbox 360s and a gold account. If I can have more options for VOD service that would be great. Since I have no desire to rent a $10 HD STB just to watch HD VOD from FiOS. It will just supplement the VOD I already have access to from VUDU, Netflix, Amazon, Hulu+, and the Zune Marketplace.

On the Verizon forums they said "We plan to offer the service in time for the holiday season to customers who subscribe to both FiOS TV and FiOS Internet and who are also Xbox LIVE Gold members. We'll be announcing more service details closer to service launch."

So I'm hoping HD VOD will be one of the things they announce by launch. Especially since Comcast will be offering their VOD through the 360.


Morac
Cat god

join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Comcast

Might actually be useful for some people

People who want to watch On Demand, but don't want to rent a cable box will find this useful. For example, people with TiVo DVRs.

I guess it depends on how it compares to the normal On Demand content.
--
The Comcast Disney Avatar has been retired.

wkm001

join:2009-12-14

I have been doing this for a year

I have been using my Xbox 360 as an extender with my home theater PC running Windows Media Center. I have been using a quad tuner Centon card that uses a CableCard. Using the Xbox as an extender allows me to watch any recorded show and live tv across the network. Even HD channels.

Plus having my own equipment (CableCard device) I get a credit of $5 each month from Comcast and the CableCard is free.


45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY

What's the point?

First of all, I bet the video quality is going to be shit. Will they be delivering the full 18 Mbps 1080i MPEG-2 feeds Verizon currently broadcasts some of their better HD channels (HDNet, EPIX) at?

Secondly, it requires Xbox Live Gold? What kind of a joke is this? AT&T U-verse's application on the Xbox 360 does not require a Gold subscription. In fact, you can use it without connecting to Xbox Live at all. This is just Microsoft trying to squeeze their way into the middle of everyone and extract money from all parties involved again. This is the entire point of the Xbox 360: build a proprietary computer, charge licensing fees to everyone who wants to release programs on said proprietary computer, charge fees to everyone who wants to run said programs on said proprietary computer, charge fees to everyone who wants to add new content to said programs, and on and on and on.

Finally, a superior solution to use the Xbox 360 as a set-top box/DVR on any cable provider (including FiOS) already exists. You can get a CableCARD tuner such as the Ceton InfiniTV 4 (which can record/view up to 4 channels at once), stick it in a Windows 7 PC, and then connect to that PC via your home network and watch your cable TV on your Xbox 360 already by using its "Media Center" function. This solution is here now, it doesn't require subscribing to Xbox Live Gold, and it works great.

This CableCARD-based solution will be cheaper in the long-run, probably offer better quality video, and it will be more flexible - as much storage as you want to put in your Windows 7 PC, that's how much storage you get on with this CableCARD tuner. So if you have 10 SATA ports on your motherboard, and you want to put in 10 4 terabyte hard drives, congratulations, you now have a 40 terabyte DVR.

If they REALLY wanted to shake up the market, Verizon could be offering their FiOS TV service over the Internet to anyone on any ISP who wants to subscribe. Deliver HDNet and NFL Network via the Internet like Netflix to Time Warner Cable DOCSIS 3.0 subscribers living nowhere near a FiOS area? That would sure shake up the market.

slckusr
Premium
join:2003-03-17
Greenville, SC
kudos:1

Sweet

I get o pay xbox 9.99 a month, how much is it to rent another box


ArrayList
netbus developer
Premium
join:2005-03-19
Brighton, MA
don't forget that this goes against any data caps that the user might have.


45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
There are no bandwidth caps on FiOS.


fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:2

Doesn't surprise me

They don't seem to have much of a clue as to what to do with their TV products.

Tying it in to an XBOX live gold subscription is asinine at best, but doesn't surprise me much. They already do it with netflix.


fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:2
reply to 45612019

Re: What's the point?

said by 45612019:

Finally, a superior solution to use the Xbox 360 as a set-top box/DVR on any cable provider (including FiOS) already exists. You can get a CableCARD tuner such as the Ceton InfiniTV 4 (which can record/view up to 4 channels at once), stick it in a Windows 7 PC, and then connect to that PC via your home network and watch your cable TV on your Xbox 360 already by using its "Media Center" function. This solution is here now, it doesn't require subscribing to Xbox Live Gold, and it works great.

This CableCARD-based solution will be cheaper in the long-run, probably offer better quality video, and it will be more flexible - as much storage as you want to put in your Windows 7 PC, that's how much storage you get on with this CableCARD tuner. So if you have 10 SATA ports on your motherboard, and you want to put in 10 4 terabyte hard drives, congratulations, you now have a 40 terabyte DVR.

I have this solution and you are mostly spot on. However you won't get better video quality (impossible, it's digital video and bits are bits.)

40TB DVR...eh ok. I have 2TB and no time to watch all that I've recorded. Besides to put 10 drives in your PC you need a really hefty power supply. Probably something like 1000 watts (just guessing here).

With my Ceton and 4 OTA Tuners I record all of primetime with tuners to spare. Nights with Dancing with the stars, American Idol and X-Factor are no worries!

If they REALLY wanted to shake up the market, Verizon could be offering their FiOS TV service over the Internet to anyone on any ISP who wants to subscribe. Deliver HDNet and NFL Network via the Internet like Netflix to Time Warner Cable DOCSIS 3.0 subscribers living nowhere near a FiOS area? That would sure shake up the market.

Cable providers will never be allowed by the networks to do this. Trust me on this one.


CableGuy899

@stsn.net

Do you want cable or not?

In the same article, you say it would have been better if the cable cos had been bold and delivered a service via the xbox outside their territory, then later you say the Internet-delivered cable service via the xbox would lower quality. So, why is that so important? If you want cable, just go buy it...

tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY

not really innovating

verizon just doesn't get what innovation means for the video platform... just like 1996 iptv failure all over again (evolving the video platform). by this time next year verizon may even see a net year over year loss of video subscribers.


Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
kudos:39
reply to CableGuy899

Re: Do you want cable or not?

In the same article, you say it would have been better if the cable cos had been bold and delivered a service via the xbox outside their territory, then later you say the Internet-delivered cable service via the xbox would lower quality.

Well, we're talking about two things here. Delivering content existing customers can already get via multiple devices (actually less than they can currently already get) in a lower-quality format -- versus offering a low cost video service outside of their legacy footprint. In the latter case, people might be ok with a service quality hit and they could take on Netflix directly. In the former case -- what is the point? Why would a Comcast user turn off their set top and turn on the Xbox 360 to watch VOD in lower quality?


ArrayList
netbus developer
Premium
join:2005-03-19
Brighton, MA
reply to 45612019

Re: Sweet

this works on any ISP. and I said that it would go against any caps that the user might have.


45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
It only works on Verizon and Comcap.


ArrayList
netbus developer
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Brighton, MA
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no. it will work in other countries as well. »www.engadget.com/2011/10/05/micr···and-int/

I seem to remember a press release saying the following:

Xbox 360 Teams Up With Entertainment Leaders to Transform TV

Today we are happy to announce plans to roll out the next generation of TV entertainment on Xbox LIVE. We have nearly 40 world class TV and entertainment providers coming to Xbox LIVE including: Bravo, Comcast, HBO GO, Verizon FiOS and Syfy in the U.S.; BBC TV and radio in the U.K.; Telefónica in Spain; Rogers On Demand in Canada; Televisa in Mexico; ZDF in Germany; and MediaSet in Italy, that will begin rolling out to consoles in more than 20 countries this holiday.

Entertainment Partners on Xbox 360 (Existing and New)

• ABC iView – Australia
• AlloCiné – France, Germany, Spain, U.K.
• Antena 3 – Spain
• Astral Media's Disney XD – Canada
• AT&T** – U.S.
• BBC – U.K.
• blinkbox – U.K.
• Bravo – U.S.
• BSkyB** – U.K.
• Canal+* – France, Spain
• Channel 4 – U.K.
• Channel 5 – U.K.
• CinemaNow (Best Buy) – U.S.
• Comcast – U.S.
• Crackle – Australia, Canada, U.K., U.S.
• Dailymotion – Available in 32 markets
• EPIX – U.S.
• ESPN** – U.S.
• Facebook** – Available in all 35 Xbox LIVE markets
• FOXTEL** – Australia
• GolTV – Spain
• HBO GO – U.S.
• Hulu – Japan
• Hulu +**– U.S.
• iHeartRadio (Clear Channel) – U.S.
• Last.fm** – U.K., U.S.
• LOVEFiLM – Germany, U.K.
• Manga Entertainment – U.S.
• Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment/Real Sports – Canada
• MediaSet – Italy
• MSN with MSNBC.com – Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Mexico, Spain, U.K.
• MUZU.TV – France, Germany, Italy, Spain, U.K.
• Netflix**– Canada, U.S.
• Rogers On Demand Online (RODO) – Canada
• RTVE – Spain
• SBS On Demand – Australia
• Syfy – U.S.
• Telefonica – Spain
• Televisa – Mexico
• "The Today Show" – U.S.
• TELUS** – Canada
• TMZ – U.S.
• Twitter** – Available in all 35 Xbox LIVE markets
• UFC – Canada, U.S.
• Verizon – U.S.
• VEVO – Canada, U.K., U.S.
• VimpelCom** – Russia
• Vodafone Portugal** – Portugal
• YouTube – Available in 22 markets
• ZDF – Germany
• Zune** – Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Mexico, New Zealand, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain

* Xbox LIVE Gold membership and/or other subscriptions/fees required. Kinect functionality varies by feature, provider and region.
** Denotes existing partners on Xbox LIVE available today.



45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
FiOS and Comcap's service on the Xbox 360 will only work for FiOS and Comcap subscribers.


ArrayList
netbus developer
Premium
join:2005-03-19
Brighton, MA
obviously and it will count against the comcast users. non-verizon/comcast users can use the xbox tv service also they just will not have the same features as verizon/comcast users. you totally missed the point of my post.


BUCKEYECOM

@buckeyecom.net

U-Verse

Why does this only become an issue now? It's the same way with U-Verse. Except you don't need to pay the $60 a year- except only $100 for someone to come out and hook it up and for a kit. you still need to pay for ATT's HSI and TV Product.


BUCKEYECOM

@buckeyecom.net
reply to CableGuy899

Re: Do you want cable or not?

totally agree and you won't fit the full truth to your questions.

Happydude32
Premium
join:2005-07-16
kudos:1
reply to BUCKEYECOM

Re: U-Verse

People actually pay $60 for XBox Live? I bought my XBox Live card on eBay as a daily deal for like $35, I got an email about some special or something awhile back and re-up’d for another 6 months for $20. Add in your free first month and that’s 19 months for $55, less than $3 bucks a month when broken down.


jmn1207
Premium
join:2000-07-19
Ashburn, VA
kudos:1
reply to 45612019

Re: What's the point?

I have a CableCARD device and I can't get On Demand content with FiOS with this solution. I already pay for an Xbox Live Gold subscription, and this would give me the option to watch On Demand content using equipment/services that I already own.


aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
reply to Happydude32

Re: U-Verse

said by Happydude32:

People actually pay $60 for XBox Live? I bought my XBox Live card on eBay as a daily deal for like $35, I got an email about some special or something awhile back and re-up’d for another 6 months for $20. Add in your free first month and that’s 19 months for $55, less than $3 bucks a month when broken down.

$60 is the retail price now. I've never payed anywhere close to the retail price for Xbox live or MS points. You can always find deals on them.


mmay149q
Premium
join:2009-03-05
Dallas, TX
kudos:48

Well Karl

I don't see how you can say Microsoft hid the fact of subscriptions required from people (assuming they read the full article)

"*Xbox LIVE Gold membership and/or other subscriptions/fees required. Kinect functionality varies by feature, provider and region."

Found this at the bottom of the page the same size text as the rest of the article, not in fine print or etc.

However on Verizon and Comcast's pages I did not find this type of information anywhere, so I think that Microsoft should be removed from saying that "They didn't warn anyone or they hid the facts"

Matt
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Have U-verse questions? Please email uversecare@att.com and they will assist you!!

fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3
reply to 45612019

Re: What's the point?

Many people already have Xbox Gold subscriptions.. those that do will have access.. those that don't, well, then the traditional cable box must be their option then right? $60 a year = $5 a month. Xbox 360 = far super UI over Motorola Box with iGuide. If they expand more and more TV and eventually the full cable box experience, then that $60 Xbox Gold subscription that many people already have is a non-issue.

As for the "superior solution" you offered - not everyone out in the pay TV world wants to build an expensive computer solution at the tune of hundreds of dollars, or more,.. for some it's great! For others, the simplicity of an Xbox might be better.

Choice is wonderful. I just love when people work hard to debunk these new choices being offered when they often forget that no one option is "best" since the solution has to match the need.


45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
You know, choices are wonderful. I welcome new choices. But not when they're blatantly inferior choices. I just don't see the point.

Verizon needs to be focusing on adding MORE HD CHANNELS! Not screwing around with limited Xbox 360 IPTV applications... unless they're going to do it the right way. Only having 26 channels available to the service, requiring you subscribe to Xbox Live Gold to obtain the service, likely charging you an additional fee on your monthly bill to use the service, and not offering the service to people without a physical FiOS connection... is not the right way.


aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA
said by 45612019:

You know, choices are wonderful. I welcome new choices. But not when they're blatantly inferior choices. I just don't see the point.

Verizon needs to be focusing on adding MORE HD CHANNELS! Not screwing around with limited Xbox 360 IPTV applications... unless they're going to do it the right way. Only having 26 channels available to the service, requiring you subscribe to Xbox Live Gold to obtain the service, likely charging you an additional fee on your monthly bill to use the service, and not offering the service to people without a physical FiOS connection... is not the right way.

They can't just go out and offer the content to anyone. To do that would they would need approval from the content providers which would probably mean they would have to pay them more money, negotiate contracts etc.. And that is assuming the content providers would want that, which they do not.


ITALIAN926

join:2003-08-16
kudos:2
reply to tmc8080

Re: not really innovating

Noooo not at all... :rolleyes: