FFH5 Premium Member join:2002-03-03 Tavistock NJ
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FFH5
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2011-Nov-8 1:06 pm
CWA leaders in it for themselves - not about helping membersLet's face it. Union leaders are only in it to feather their own beds. They could care less about their own membership. And that is the main reason union membership has been shrinking for decades - corrupt leadership. |
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A Union Lying?Say it ain't so!
And unions wonder why the vast majority of the public distrusts, even dislikes them?
Jim |
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Anon
2011-Nov-8 1:34 pm
Union ScumLying union scum. The sooner they are gone, the better the average Joe will be! |
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Anon
2011-Nov-8 1:40 pm
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Re: CWA leaders in it for themselves - not about helping membersWhich means happy days for the companies that have to deal with the CWA. They are becoming more irrelevant, even to their own membership. |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium Member join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK Netgear WNDR3700v2 Zoom 5341J
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Re: Union ScumUh huh. You know it's true. Once Unions are gone and all worker protections are stripped from pesky regulations, you know Corporations will finally get around to doing the right thing out of the goodness of their hearts. Just get rid of those Unions first, and all will be right with the world. |
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Boricua Premium Member join:2002-01-26 Sacramuerto |
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Until the "average Joe" has to work more than a 40-hour work week, loses health benefits, child labor laws are repealed, the corporations evade paying more taxes, holidays are taken away, workers' comp would be eviscerated, etc.
That may all sound doom and gloom but I wouldn't be surprised IF it did happen. |
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woody7 Premium Member join:2000-10-13 Torrance, CA |
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careful what you wish for, think of it as lying business scum, |
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en103
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2011-Nov-8 2:00 pm
Very true - Unions are just another business. |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium Member join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK |
KrK
Premium Member
2011-Nov-8 2:00 pm
Nice Fail, CWAWay to be a posterchild for all the anti-union crowd as well as fork over your rank and file. This reminds me of the Union version of "What's good for MegaCorp XXXXX is good for the American People!" |
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Re: Union Scumsaid by Boricua:Until the "average Joe" has to work more than a 40-hour work week, loses health benefits, child labor laws are repealed, the corporations evade paying more taxes, holidays are taken away, workers' comp would be eviscerated, etc.
That may all sound doom and gloom but I wouldn't be surprised IF it did happen. Most of that stuff happens more and more already.... and as for Child Labor laws--- hey, just move offshore! |
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mogamer join:2011-04-20 Royal Oak, MI |
Union leadershipMy father was in a union (UAW) and it did help him and many others earn great wages and benefits. He even admitted that GM (the company he worked for) gave them too much. He started out very gung-ho about the union. But by the time he retired he distrusted the union leadership as much as he did GM's leaders. And it wasn't just the auto unions. I have friends who are union members in the construction industry. Talk about corruption. The leaders there basically are on the take with the big contractors. It's a sad situation today. If there were no unions, more workers would get screwed. But union leaders are screwing their members too. Maybe a bit slower than the corporations would, but they're still screwing them. The best a person can hope for is to become self-employed. But laws passed under pressure (i.e. campaign contributions) by big corporations and big unions make it tough to become really successful. |
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Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA |
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Re: Nice Fail, CWACWA union leadership being in bed with AT&T management will only hurt unions in the long run. |
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Re: Union ScumThis reminds of an ultimate scum bucket named Reagan, mother of 9-11 and Godfather of Bush's business partner Bin laden. For a short target he furnished the Islamist fighters with stinger missiles and funded the radicalization of an entire country. The union has similar narrative but as 9-11 was poetic justice on the Rethugs hope this would be on the faux news watchers |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium Member join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK Netgear WNDR3700v2 Zoom 5341J
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2011-Nov-8 2:15 pm
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Re: Nice Fail, CWAI'm sure they have an idea that more members means they have a better bargaining position.... So they believe that what's good for them is good for the members. It's a classic fallacy you see repeated a lot... like when a local Government uses eminent domain to seize private land in order to enrich another business venture or Company on the grounds that helping that company will increase tax revenue therefore it's for the public good. |
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cdruGo Colts MVM join:2003-05-14 Fort Wayne, IN
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Re: Union Scumsaid by Boricua:Until the "average Joe" has to work more than a 40-hour work week, loses health benefits, child labor laws are repealed, the corporations evade paying more taxes, holidays are taken away, workers' comp would be eviscerated, etc. What? I'm surprised that women's suffrage and rights for minorities aren't in your list of benefits given to the people by unions. You're arguments might have held some water at the turn of the century, early in the 20th century. There is little to support those arguments now. |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium Member join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD |
pnh102
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2011-Nov-8 2:34 pm
NiceI've always hated the idea of this merger going forward, but if a union is for this merger then I am by default against it.
And the CWA really needs its management's head examined. While there might be 20k new dues paying victims, how many of their current jobs will be eliminated? Probably far more. |
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Metatron2008You're it Premium Member join:2008-09-02 united state |
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Re: Union ScumDo you actually read any history or do you just scream your hate at republicans every night? |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium Member join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD |
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said by cdru:What? I'm surprised that women's suffrage and rights for minorities aren't in your list of benefits given to the people by unions. You're arguments might have held some water at the turn of the century, early in the 20th century. There is little to support those arguments now. Meh... I got one better. Had Adam and Eve been unionized, there would have been no Fall of Man. |
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woody7 Premium Member join:2000-10-13 Torrance, CA |
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whom are you talking about?I actually don't "hate' anyone, some I dislike more than others, and mine was just an observation,why do you hate unions? |
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Metatron2008You're it Premium Member join:2008-09-02 united state |
said by woody7:whom are you talking about? nutcr0cker, reread his alex jones inspired post |
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C_9084Kill The Socialists Premium Member join:2001-03-19 |
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Re: NiceThe fact the cwa is for it is really the only legitimate reason to oppose it |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picture Premium Member join:2011-08-11 NYC |
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Re: CWA leaders in it for themselves - not about helping membersSounds exactly like today's political landscape. Politicians don't give a crap about their constituency, only about how they can improve their own financial futures. I think it is an inherent problem with the republican political system in general... it is just so open to corruption.
Unions have given us so many good things, it would be ridiculous to let them die out (or even worse to hope they die out!). The union leaders not withstanding, a union is simply a group of employees who fight oppression and unfairness. To wish them gone is to hope for unrestricted oppression from the employer; no sane person would think that is a good thing (except maybe the employer and the stockholders).
So then the million dollar question is 'How do we get the corruption out of politics?' (and therefore unions). |
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alchav join:2002-05-17 Saint George, UT
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Re: Union Scumsaid by KrK:Uh huh. You know it's true. Once Unions are gone and all worker protections are stripped from pesky regulations, you know Corporations will finally get around to doing the right thing out of the goodness of their hearts. Just get rid of those Unions first, and all will be right with the world. Are you saying this "Tongue in Cheek?" In a Perfect World we would all get along, and Corporations and Companies would care for their Employees, but we don't live in this Perfect World. So way before my time Companies abused their Employees, and the Unions were born. Now the Unions have become the same as those Companies and Corporations. Since we don't live in a Perfect World, if you get rid of the Unions it would swing back to the abusive Companies and Corporations. So I'm afraid we need this imperfect balance. |
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cdruGo Colts MVM join:2003-05-14 Fort Wayne, IN |
cdru
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2011-Nov-8 3:39 pm
So how do you explain the thousands and thousands of small to large businesses that have absolutely no union employees? |
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Boricua Premium Member join:2002-01-26 Sacramuerto |
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said by cdru:said by Boricua:Until the "average Joe" has to work more than a 40-hour work week, loses health benefits, child labor laws are repealed, the corporations evade paying more taxes, holidays are taken away, workers' comp would be eviscerated, etc. What? I'm surprised that women's suffrage and rights for minorities... said by cdru:You're arguments might have held some water at the turn of the century, early in the 20th century. There is little to support those arguments now. I beg to differ. One prime example, recently Wally World decided to have employees work 30 hours or less to avoid giving them health benefits because the minimum is 32 hours. Wal-Mart Cuts SomeHealth Care Benefits |
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FFH5 Premium Member join:2002-03-03 Tavistock NJ |
FFH5
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2011-Nov-8 3:52 pm
Re: CWA leaders in it for themselves - not about helping membersAnd on the ongoing AT&T legal merger front, the DOJ says they are eager to go to court in their suit against the merger. LOL - sounds like a negotiating tactic to me. » news.cnet.com/8301-1035_ ··· 1_3-0-20 |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picture Premium Member join:2011-08-11 NYC |
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Re: Union ScumHow do you explain that wages have been nearly stagnant for those workers for the past 30 years while the companys' profits increase? Or that the laws protecting workers and consumers have been whittled away for even longer? Where do you see us going if the laws protecting the workplace disappear? |
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cdruGo Colts MVM join:2003-05-14 Fort Wayne, IN |
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said by Boricua:I beg to differ. One prime example, recently Wally World decided to have employees work 30 hours or less to avoid giving them health benefits because the minimum is 32 hours.
Wal-Mart Cuts SomeHealth Care Benefits What, in one breath you tell us that employers are forcing employees to work more then 40 hours, then in another you complain that employees are being forced to work less then 30. You can't have it both ways. Getting employees to work less than X number of hours so that they are considered part time, or ineligible for particular benefits isn't anything new. It's gone on for years and has no bearing on whether the company is union or not. They can just as easily have union labor and simply require employees not to work over the X hours. Or just drop coverage all together. Or make it obscenely expensive that it effectively isn't offered. |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium Member join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK |
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2011-Nov-8 5:43 pm
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They have to comply with LAWS that are a direct result of Labor activity and Unions, and haven't (yet) been able to remove or completely undermine said laws. Yet. |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picture Premium Member join:2011-08-11 NYC
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Re: A Union Lying?The vast majority? Haha where do you get that figure from? Even the polls that claim less than 50% , the figure is not far below 50%. And most that claim less than 50% (that I have wasted my time reading) are written from an obviously pro-corporate stance. It is strange how many people come in here and post things that they want to be true thinking that somehow posting makes them true! » www.usatoday.com/news/na ··· in_N.htm |
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