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Comments on news posted 2011-12-01 16:05:56: Earlier this week the FCC issued an order that clearly laid out the reasons for the FCC's opposition to the AT&T T-Mobile deal. The full report (pdf) mirrors what we've been noting for months: AT&T's merger benefit claims are false. ..

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Rambo76098

join:2003-02-21
Columbus, OH

I love his title in the block quote

quote:
AT&T's Jim Cicconi, professional data cherry picker and fact ignorer


HarleyYac
Lee
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Allendale, NJ
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FCC

Those evil government officials.... unbelievable!!!



verizon12345

@charter.com

Karl although I love your commentary..

You always write one-sided stories.

In your dramas all telcos are evil and everyone else is working for the better good of the people.

The FCC report was actually just a draft and full of conjecture. I'm not sure why the FCC even published a "draft," since it was not a full report nor was it even voted upon.

There are always 2 sides to each story. Both the FCC and AT&T stories have holes but only one side is pointed out.

I have no confidence in the FCC They are politically motivated, just like the phone companies and are more interested in getting re-elected then serving the public good.

T-Mobile has been losing customers for over 2 years. Tell me how they are such a competitive disruptive force in our industry?

DT has no plans to pour the billions and billions in capital required to build out a nationwide LTE network for T-Mobile much less fill in all their GPRS only areas with HSPA +. How is a company like this in any good shape to operate competitively on its own?

The FCC themselves have stated the "dire needs," of spectrum needed by wireless telcos like AT&T yet in the same draft they claim they have "more than enough." Total discrepancy here.

Again all the "what if's," and "what not's," are all conjecture on anyone's part. You can hate AT&T and everything associated with them but the statements made by the FCC don't add up either and people will continue to believe only what they want to regardless of merit or facts.



HarleyYac
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Here Here!! lets end all regulation and government meddling!!!

The corporations will take care of us all!! We can trust them!!

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etaadmin

join:2002-01-17
Dallas, TX
kudos:1

1 recommendation

reply to verizon12345

said by verizon12345 :

You always write one-sided stories.

In your dramas all telcos are evil and everyone else is working for the better good of the people.

The FCC report was actually just a draft and full of conjecture. I'm not sure why the FCC even published a "draft," since it was not a full report nor was it even voted upon.

There are always 2 sides to each story. Both the FCC and AT&T stories have holes but only one side is pointed out.

I have no confidence in the FCC They are politically motivated, just like the phone companies and are more interested in getting re-elected then serving the public good.

T-Mobile has been losing customers for over 2 years. Tell me how they are such a competitive disruptive force in our industry?

DT has no plans to pour the billions and billions in capital required to build out a nationwide LTE network for T-Mobile much less fill in all their GPRS only areas with HSPA +. How is a company like this in any good shape to operate competitively on its own?

The FCC themselves have stated the "dire needs," of spectrum needed by wireless telcos like AT&T yet in the same draft they claim they have "more than enough." Total discrepancy here.

Again all the "what if's," and "what not's," are all conjecture on anyone's part. You can hate AT&T and everything associated with them but the statements made by the FCC don't add up either and people will continue to believe only what they want to regardless of merit or facts.

The FCC report just reasserts what we (consumers) have experienced for years and decades.

  • 1. That at&t are thieves.

  • 2. That at&t will destroy US jobs after and before the merger.

  • 3. That at&t are parasites seeking special treatment from the government.

  • 4. That at&t lied about the merger and continue to lie.

  • 5. That at&t is too lazy and short sighted to build a competitive wireless network by themselves.


rlharris02

join:2009-02-06
reply to verizon12345

Karl does a great job.

This is one of the few times that the FCC was 100% right.
Tmobile, has been cash positive for over the past 2 years. Having a 4th provider will drive prices down and keep verizon and att in check.

Tmobile can easily have a 4G path, they could use the same multi mode antenna's Sprint will and start converting there PCS, and AWS over to LTE over time.
Easy.

Also spectrum wise ATT in most of the largest markets use less than 50% of there spectrum. ATT is like a warehouse.

Also, with providers like LS,Dish,Clearwire there is NO need for ATT or Tmobile to say they need specturm so so bad.

But all in all you are clearly an ATT employee .


AndyDufresne
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join:2010-10-30
Chanhassen, MN

ATT really does't give a cap

Most companies when being looked at by government agency tend to not want to pick a fight but ATT does the opposite and goes nuclear with this letter. That just shows you that ATT holds the FCC in very low regard and believes it will prevail in the end.


ncbill
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Winston Salem, NC
reply to verizon12345

Re: Karl although I love your commentary..

3Q2011 results for T-Mobile (connections):

33,711,000 total 126,000 net adds



fuziwuzi
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reply to verizon12345

The only response worthwhile to your diatribe is: bullsh**.
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pegasusx

join:2005-03-29
reply to verizon12345

Any disclosures you'd like to make about who you work for?



FFH
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reply to AndyDufresne

Re: ATT really does't give a cap

said by AndyDufresne:

Most companies when being looked at by government agency tend to not want to pick a fight but ATT does the opposite and goes nuclear with this letter. That just shows you that ATT holds the FCC in very low regard and believes it will prevail in the end.

And if AT&T manages to get their Plan B past the DOJ, the FCC will become irrelevant once again.
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F_Off_ATnT

join:2011-12-01

Waaa Waaa, Crybaby AT&T

I also agree that comments made by etaadmin, along with his address being in Dallas, TX (AT&T Wireless Hdqtrs) can confirm our suspicions that he's possibly related to AT&T in some shape or form.


BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to verizon12345

Re: Karl although I love your commentary..

Yup, pretty much. What really annoys me is that they are trying to block this pro-consumer acquisition, and yet they won't take pro-consumer actions against the wireless carriers, like with overages, international roaming, unlocking devices, contracts, etc, etc. The FCC should use this opportunity to say YES, BUT to AT&T, with the BUT being a series of pro-consumer protections around overages, contracts, phone locking, international roaming, tethering, etc, etc.


TIGERON

join:2008-03-11
Pacifica, CA

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LIAR LIAR

Jim Cicconi is a piece-a-shit.



60127178
K.U. Sweet 16
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Wichita, KS
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5,000 Jobs

"Commitment that the merger will not result in any job losses for U.S.-based wireless call center employees of T-Mobile or AT&T who are on the payroll when the merger closes; Commitment to bring 5,000 wireless call center jobs back to the U.S. that today are outsourced to other countries"

These are not *new* jobs. These will be the conversion US Tmo CSR's who are selected to stay on with the "New AT&Tmobile".

If AT&T was really in interested in creating jobs they would open several new call centers and pay to train these replacement CSR's whether or not the Tmo merger goes through. *insert ROFL .gif here*


komal

join:2003-02-16

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Too much BS from Karl

Karl stop your whining and analyze things from a more intellectual perspective.

Your writing is childish.

If you were a bit more objective in the beginning and then posted your own thoughts near the end of the piece, it would make for a better read but having to hear you insult or whine about everything in every paragraph is so obnoxious.

If BBR pays you for this stuff, they should stop doing so now, and hire a journalist instead of a blogger.



Dagda1175

join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA

weakening another competitor (Sprint)

If people who were formerly t-mobile customers left the new merged company in large numbers, who is to say they wouldn't go to Sprint rather than Verizon? Sprint is the last big company to offer unlimited data. I think it would be a deal they'd like to see go through!


25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH

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reply to Rambo76098

Re: I love his title in the block quote

some that "write" for this website do the same.



Bill Dollar

join:2009-02-20
New York, NY
reply to FFH

Re: ATT really does't give a cap

TK Junkmail, you never seem to fail to illustrate your lack of understanding of how the government, economics, indeed, the world itself works.

Everyone in DC is stunned at how nuclear AT&T went, and agree that it is pretty much a sign that they have no expectations to get this deal done.

AT&T won't get any plan B past DOJ (Clayton and Sherman Acts both cover joint-ventures), but if they do, FCC gets the final say, and they have a very different standard than the DOJ. If you actually read the staff report, you'll see that 95% of what AT&T claimed was actually unsupported by their own internal documents, especially all the discussion of an AT&T-specific spectrum crisis. Now that AT&T has chosen to piss off the FCC Chairman and the career staffers, they have even less chance of persuading them.

The deal was always a win-win calculated risk for AT&T. They won't get T-Mobile now, but will have tied them up and weakened them and Sprint even further.



jslik
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reply to verizon12345

Re: Karl although I love your commentary..

said by verizon12345 :

I have no confidence in the FCC They are politically motivated, just like the phone companies and are more interested in getting re-elected then serving the public good.

Uh, the FCC is not elected. They're appointed, and with many FCC folks going on to work in the industry, how is this critical report going to help their future job prospects?
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jseymour

join:2009-12-11
Waterford, MI

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reply to BiggA

said by BiggA:

Yup, pretty much. What really annoys me is that they are trying to block this pro-consumer acquisition...

SBC "pro-consumer?" HAHAHAHahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Pull the other one. It's got bells on.

That's pretty funny.

Jim

TelecomMaven
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reply to komal

Re: Too much BS from Karl

said by komal:

Karl stop your whining and analyze things from a more intellectual perspective.

Your writing is childish.

If you were a bit more objective in the beginning and then posted your own thoughts near the end of the piece, it would make for a better read but having to hear you insult or whine about everything in every paragraph is so obnoxious.

If BBR pays you for this stuff, they should stop doing so now, and hire a journalist instead of a blogger.

Say Komal! Why don't you just stop reading Karl's posts and save some space for people who have something more profound to say about Karl's analyses and opinions? You sound like a Cicconi sidekick from sour grapes AT&T.

Any telecom lawyer other than Cicconi and his minions would tell you that AT&T completely bungled its attempt to get this merger through via its arrogant attitude toward regulators, and the ham-handed attempts to convince everyone of its so-called, but truly laughable "facts" and "job growth projections."

Come on, admit it!

25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to F_Off_ATnT

Re: Waaa Waaa, Crybaby AT&T

ATT Mobility is NOT in Dallas. You may want to try Atlanta.


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The FCC order and staff report agree with every argument we have made against the merger, and reject every argument AT&T has made in favor of the merger.

If you are interested in reading the FCC Order yourself, we've posted it at www.FightTheMerger.com/fcc_order.

It is unclear how the FCC's ruling will affect our pending arbitrations and court cases. Approximately 1,200 of our arbitration cases are still pending, and we intend to continue to press forward with those.
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n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY

It Makes For A Good Read

Took me some time to read through the entire FCC document. There are so many footnotes that it takes a while to skip through it. The most annoying thing is all the redacted information. Most of it I could care less about but section 196 on page 85 and section 203 on page 87 discuss the planned shutdown dates of GSM and those dates are redacted. I wonder why they are so sensitive.

BTW, there appears to be an error in the BBR article:

AT&T told regulators the T-Mobile deal would increase investment, yet is on the record telling Wall Street the deal will cut investment by $8 million.
Shouldn't that be $8 BILLION?
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FFH
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Tavistock NJ
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reply to Bill Dollar

Re: ATT really does't give a cap

said by Bill Dollar:

AT&T won't get any plan B past DOJ (Clayton and Sherman Acts both cover joint-ventures), but if they do, FCC gets the final say, and they have a very different standard than the DOJ.

We'll see. And if the DOJ signs off on a deal, that paper tiger Genachowski will do what the DOJ & WH tells him to do.

axus

join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
reply to verizon12345

Re: Karl although I love your commentary..

I always read Karl's long articles as editorials. I can usually count on getting a good opposing view editorial in the comments.

Your username is kind of funny, aren't verizon and charter competitors?


WiWavelength

join:2011-11-16
Lawrence, KS

FCC public investment jobs claim

"One point where Cicconi is not wrong is in his criticism of the FCC's own hypocritical job claims. The FCC recently crowed that their new USF reform plan would create 500,000 new jobs..."

Karl, the FCC does not hypocritically conclude that public investment in broadband creates jobs but private investment does not. That is just Jim Cicconi's self serving distortion of the FCC's reasoning.

Instead, the FCC and AT&T are actually on the same page that investment in broadband will spur job growth. (The veracity of that claim for both the FCC and AT&T is a topic for another time.) But the FCC rightly concludes that any job creation that would occur from AT&T LTE broadband deployment would not be exclusive to approval of the AT&T-T-Mobile merger.

This is an excerpt from what I wrote in another forum:

"Deployment of 4G LTE to 97 percent of the population might create the direct/indirect job years that AT&T projects. I will give AT&T that. Nevertheless, those jobs are not a merger specific benefit. The numbers do not lie -- AT&T already has the spectrum, infrastructure, and finances to achieve the same level of 4G LTE deployment and supposedly concomitant job creation on its own."

In a nutshell, because AT&T can (and probably will) accomplish 97 percent LTE deployment without T-Mobile, any job growth that would result from that LTE deployment is not attributable as a public interest benefit of the merger.

AJ


RJ44

join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
reply to rlharris02

Re: Karl although I love your commentary..

said by rlharris02:

But all in all you are clearly an ATT employee .

The only thing that's clear is he is able to see that there are shades of grey in this world and often there's more than one side to an argument.

Unlike many (most?) posters in this forum. And the author of this editorial.

komal

join:2003-02-16
reply to TelecomMaven

Re: Too much BS from Karl

said by TelecomMaven:

said by komal:

Karl stop your whining and analyze things from a more intellectual perspective.

Your writing is childish.

If you were a bit more objective in the beginning and then posted your own thoughts near the end of the piece, it would make for a better read but having to hear you insult or whine about everything in every paragraph is so obnoxious.

If BBR pays you for this stuff, they should stop doing so now, and hire a journalist instead of a blogger.

Say Komal! Why don't you just stop reading Karl's posts and save some space for people who have something more profound to say about Karl's analyses and opinions? You sound like a Cicconi sidekick from sour grapes AT&T.

Any telecom lawyer other than Cicconi and his minions would tell you that AT&T completely bungled its attempt to get this merger through via its arrogant attitude toward regulators, and the ham-handed attempts to convince everyone of its so-called, but truly laughable "facts" and "job growth projections."

Come on, admit it!

Your first couple of lines are very funny because the very same thing could be said about your reply. If you don't like it, don't read it and don't reply to it. But you're a hypocrite so I'll take your future ramblings less seriously.

And you must not have been able to comprehend my post or you'd notice I never even touched on or discussed the AT&T issue.

I was discussing the (lack of) quality of the writing. Amusingly, you accuse me of being an AT&T sidekick when again, I never touched on that topic, which only makes you sound like a Karl sidekick.

Maybe after you've been around for longer than a year, you can post a response instead of rambling on.