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Comments on news posted 2012-01-19 12:30:39: While the MPAA decried yesterday's SOPA/PIPA protests as a "publicity stunt," it seems clear that the protests did have their intended effect, with at least 18 Senators having withdrawn support for SOPA. ..

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FFH
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Google anti-SOPA/PIPA actions will disappear soon

Anybody think Google wasn't just looking out for themselves here? Google will support PIPA as soon as THEY are exempted. It is all about the bottom line. Google could care less about the anti-SOPA/PIPA activists.

»www.politico.com/news/stories/01···663.html

Sens. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) are in discussions to exempt search-result blocking from the PROTECT IP Act, sources confirmed to POLITICO.

Kyl made the proposal to Leahy on Wednesday. The measure is one of the biggest sticking points for the tech industry in a set of anti-piracy bills.

A Leahy spokeswoman confirmed that the two senators have "authorized their staffs to discuss a manager’s amendment."

»SOPA Protests Result in Political Backpedaling
quote:
The lesson for lawmakers here appears to be that you don't piss off the Internet
I think the real lesson learned is that Congress can't piss off Google. But they can still look forward to Google political contributions as soon as Google is exempted.
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jerseyjoe123

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It wouldn't be only their search results that would take a hit by SOPA/PIPA. Youtube, which Google owns, would be effectively wiped out.



rit56

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The Lesson

No the real lesson here is people are not as stupid as politicians think. This goes hand in hand with the AT&T decision. As much as you might not like it, it appears as if people are finally fed up with all the bullshit and are taking action. I for one am tired of the screwing from politicians and corporations. I don't care who they are and which side of the aisle they sit. For what it's worth for all the right wing corporatists that constantly overload this site with their pro corporate views all but one defection on this bill yesterday was from pro corporate Republican Senators.To site Google as looking after their own self interest is disingenuous. Any interest from Google, Wikipedia, Reddit, whoever is because We The People got pissed off and took action.



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Thanks

For the coverage and updates, Karl. It's very much appreciated. Hopefully the impact will be enough.
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FFH
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Re: Google anti-SOPA/PIPA actions will disappear soon

said by jerseyjoe123:

It wouldn't be only their search results that would take a hit by SOPA/PIPA. Youtube, which Google owns, would be effectively wiped out.

YouTube has nothing to worry about. Google made peace with the content providers awhile ago over YouTube submissions that break copyright. They implemented an automated system of removing infringing content that captures the vast majority of infringing submissions.

And SOPA/PIPA, despite the slippery slope arguments by opponents, is NOT designed to block US sites. It is squarely aimed at foreign sites and governments that tolerate/encourage the stealing of US content. The alarmists always want EVERY law gutted that could potentially be abused somehow. But that is true of every law ever passed. So for them we should have no laws, because all laws can be abused. That is an anarchist's position.
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Robotics
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Re: The Lesson

Very well put!!!


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I think it's more about access to information. The "mainstream media" had been silent about the issue, and avoided mentioning the bills by name. Now, there are other sources of information that people take seriously.

Wikipedia and Google have a wide audience, and aren't controlled by Murdoch, Viacom, Disney, Sony, Comcast, or Time-Warner.

In the past, one of those companies could buy Reddit to control it, but the competitive nature of the internet means something else would simply replace it.



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reply to FFH

Re: Google anti-SOPA/PIPA actions will disappear soon

What a crock.



rit56

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Re: The Lesson

I agree and on the January 18 on MSNBC, Morning Joe, Chris Dodd was on slamming the opposition to his precious bill SOPA/PIPA. Not one comment from the other side of the argument. Comcast/NBC showing what side they're on. They're no better or different than Fox News.


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Re: Google anti-SOPA/PIPA actions will disappear soon

This sums it up pretty well:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LEb_D2SD3k


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I apologise ...

As a Marylander and as a Democrat, I can only apologize for the continued support and co-sponsorship of SOPA/PIPA by my elected Senator Benjamin Cardin. Apparently he just doesn't get it ... and continues to support the censorship of the Internet, to the detriment of the rest of us, the people he was elected to serve. I can assure you this is one Marylander who will NOT be voting him back in office the next election.

Today ... I am ashamed to be a Democrat.



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Teaching respect for ip

I have been thinking about it for some years and have come to one conclusion.

Teachers are the worst ip offenders there are, and it's legal.
They have no respect for ip, cause they can get it free.

This carrys on to children who learn by mimic and they become pirates.

Spend the money where it will do the most good, at our schools.
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United States Gross National Product 2010

Can anyone reading this newsletter provide the Gross National Product for the US in dollars for 2010. The total revenue generated by the Movie Industry in 2010 and the Music Industry in 2010, in dollars. Then we can calculate what these two industries contributed to the Gross National Product. If the percentage is small then one must ask why lawmakers are attempting to pass laws for special interest groups that do not contribute significant revenue to the GNP. Maybe it has to do with campaign contributions to lawmakers.



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Re: Google anti-SOPA/PIPA actions will disappear soon

said by FFH:

And SOPA/PIPA, despite the slippery slope arguments by opponents, is NOT designed to block US sites. It is squarely aimed at foreign sites and governments that tolerate/encourage the stealing of US content. The alarmists always want EVERY law gutted that could potentially be abused somehow. But that is true of every law ever passed. So for them we should have no laws, because all laws can be abused. That is an anarchist's position.

It is not our government's place to police the Internet, or police foreign governments.

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New TV ads

If anyone is watching CNN or Fox News, boy has the supporters of SOPA / PIPA started hammering the air with new ads telling us to tell congress to support SOPA/PIPA



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Re: United States Gross National Product 2010

said by Mr Matt:

Can anyone reading this newsletter provide the Gross National Product for the US in dollars for 2010. The total revenue generated by the Movie Industry in 2010 and the Music Industry in 2010, in dollars. Then we can calculate what these two industries contributed to the Gross National Product. If the percentage is small then one must ask why lawmakers are attempting to pass laws for special interest groups that do not contribute significant revenue to the GNP. Maybe it has to do with campaign contributions to lawmakers.

I appreciate your intention, but this just gives them ammo. They represent a significant portion of our GNP - Our country is heavily invested in the entertainment sector and a great deal of our GNP is entertainment industry based.


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Re: Google anti-SOPA/PIPA actions will disappear soon

quote:
...And SOPA/PIPA, despite the slippery slope arguments by opponents, is NOT designed to block US sites. It is squarely aimed at foreign sites and governments that tolerate/encourage the stealing of US content. The alarmists always want EVERY law gutted that could potentially be abused somehow. But that is true of every law ever passed. So for them we should have no laws, because all laws can be abused. That is an anarchist's position.
Your logic and blind faith are unsupportable. The entertainment industry and big content will abuse the system just as they have the DMCA. Such things like submitting take downs on content they DO NOT OWN, interfering with a legitimate business' advertising because they don't like the company that made the ad, ICE seizing a totally legal site USED BY THE INDUSTRY'S OWN MARKETING DEPARTMENTS and holding the domain hostage for over a year without recourse or explanation, Suing people for clearly fair use scenarios even when they were found NOT TO BE THE ACTUAL RIGHTS HOLDER, etc, etc, etc

And all this WITHOUT SOPA/PIPA being passed. No, the industry does not deserve any new tools until they learn the proper and ethical use of the tools they currently have and also learn how to innovate and deliver the content people want to consume in the formats they want.

We are at a crossroads and if the legacy industry fails to adapt, they will simply cease to exist in time and all this will be moot regardless...
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Alex J

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Anybody think Google wasn't just looking out for themselves here?

You mean in addition to the 74,900 other websites that participated and the near uniform opposition to these laws by everyone ranging from lawyers to network administrators? Google outlined their opposition in pretty clear detail, and why, in a blog posttestimony in front of government, and it had to do with worries about legitimate sites being taken offline with no real power to combat claims. Or have you not been actually paying attention to debate over the bills you're blindly supporting?

I think the real lesson learned is that Congress can't piss off Google.

I think the real lesson learned is that some people can't see the forest through the Google vilification trees.


Alex J

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The alarmists always want EVERY law gutted that could potentially be abused somehow. But that is true of every law ever passed. So for them we should have no laws, because all laws can be abused. That is an anarchist's position.

You continue to clearly illustrate that you are the biggest and worst troll this website has.


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reply to Rob

isn't hypocrisy fun?


moonpuppy

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Re: I apologise ...

I thought he pulled his support.

I noticed Mikulski is quiet about it.



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Re: Thanks

would have been nice to have had more updates. barely saw any coverage.



ArrayList
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Re: Teaching respect for ip

what are you talking about??? How do teachers not respect IP?



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Re: I apologise ...

He said he would not vote for it in it's present format, but still co-sponsors PIPA.

EDIT: After further research I see that he did in fact drop co-sponsorship for PIPA early yesterday afternoon, and now opposes it; "after hearing from constituents". I'm glad he finally saw the light.

»arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news···nate.ars



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Re: United States Gross National Product 2010

said by whataname :

I appreciate your intention, but this just gives them ammo. They represent a significant portion of our GNP - Our country is heavily invested in the entertainment sector and a great deal of our GNP is entertainment industry based.

And the bill isn't just movies and music. It is also the drug industry, book publishers(paper & online), banking, perfume companies, MLB, NFL, NHL, Tennis Assoc, etc, etc.
»www.politicolnews.com/list-of-so···14-2012/
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More, more, more...

Don't any of the SOPA supporters (here, not in the entertainment industry or DC) find it disturbing that no matter how many 'rights' copyright holders are given, it's NEVER enough?

Copyright was originally supposed to last 14 years, renewable for another 14 years. 28 years total was the entire length of copyright. And that covered publication only.

The entertainment industry has gone back to the government over a dozen times begging that copyright be extended. We now have things like performance rights, broadcast rights, streaming rights, etc., and copyright holders are allowed to impose all sorts of limitations on what can be done with their products. Copyright today is such a mess that probably half of the movie studios' catalogs of movies can't be released on DVD because nobody knows how to work out all the rights to them. Hundreds, maybe thousands of old films sit in vaults rotting away because of copyrights.

The supreme court just ruled yesterday that corporations can take works out of the public domain and put them back under copyright! So not only do the corporations refuse to contribute anything to the public domain (which is where all copyrighted works are supposed to end up after a limited time), they now get to take public domain works and re-claim them, making criminals out of everyone who had been legally using those works.

Yet, despite having all these rights which go far, far beyond what the original creators of copyright ever intended, it's not enough.

So what will be enough? When copyright lasts forever? When the public domain no longer exists? When fair use has been outlawed? When copyright infringers are executed for the first offense?

Honestly, how much is enough?



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Re: Google anti-SOPA/PIPA actions will disappear soon

said by Rob:

Have you read your signature lately?

Not everything can be based on 1 statement.

I like small government. But I am also patriotic and want a military that can defend our country - even if it costs more than I like. I hate thieves(and copyright infringers) and want them prosecuted - even if it isn't always cost effective. I'd like healthcare to be cheaper, but not at the expense of the gov't calling all the shots on whether I get to live or die in a cost effective manner. I want illegal immigrants found and deported and I want those who knowingly hire them jailed, even though it would be government that has to perform that function at a cost. Etc, etc, etc. In other words, attempts to pigeonhole a group you don't like should not resort to the poor tactics of picking 1 item of something they support and then using that as some std of purity to measure every one of their goals. The world is not black and white, it is gray.
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mech1164
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The threats keeps coming

We now see where the real power is. After the WH said they wouldn't support it Hollywood shot back big time. I may want the current occupant of the WH out. What we have here is Blackmail pure and simple. I know this won't happen but would be nice if the Justice Dept (I know what justice) would do a full rectal exam of the whole entertainment industry. A man can dream can't he.

»www.deadline.com/2012/01/exclusi···y-stand/



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Re: Google anti-SOPA/PIPA actions will disappear soon

All the laws in the world won't change a thing. The Internet has been a complete game-changer to the way the content industry does business. To a certain extent, the music industry has adapted, even though Apple now holds them by the balls, but the movie industry hasn't.

I still do not subscribe to the notion that each incidence of piracy is equal a lost sale. There is no proof whatsoever that people who pirate content would have otherwise purchased it legitimately if piracy were not an option.

I do hold to the fact that like the DMCA, all SOPA/PIPA will do is make life miserable for legitimate users of copyrighted content. The same content industry that gave us the DMCA still clings to the idea that you need to buy a separate copy of the same content if you want to use it in different places, and still believes that you are a criminal should you decide to break the DRM restrictions on legitimately purchased content so that you can use it in non-infringing ways (sorry RIAA, but ripping a track off a CD you bought so you can listen to it in the car without ruining the original disk is NOT piracy).

The push for yet another law just reminds of the push for more gun control laws. In both situations, none of the present laws are effective, the ones in place don't seem to be enforced, and the only people who are impacted are legitimate users who simply wish to exercise their rights.

Enough is enough.
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said by FFH:

The world is not black and white, it is gray.

The RIAA/MPAA doesn't see it that way. To them, the world is black and white.
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