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Comments on news posted 2012-02-06 13:04:01: After eliminating their unlimited data option in 2010, AT&T grandfathered those users -- though most knew the fun wouldn't last. ..

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CptGemini
Inside your computer
Premium
join:2004-11-29
Corpus Christi, TX
kudos:6

Throttling...

sucks... I went over my 2GB plan with t-mobile on purpose a couple of months ago to see if I would get throttled this time because earlier last year in april I went over my 5gb limit I had at the time by like 300 mb and never got throttled even though I got a text saying I was. This time when I got throttled the dialup like speeds were so slow that some apps like facebook wouldn't even work at all, hell most apps didn't even work and had to use wifi hotspots when I was out and about. When I was at the movie theater when it happened someone had their wifi hotspot on their phone turned on and it was open so I went in and used it a bit while i was there .
rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO

Re: Throttling...

So at least for you, is it fair to say that regardless of the technical description of what AT&T does, throttling==service interruption?

CptGemini
Inside your computer
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join:2004-11-29
Corpus Christi, TX
kudos:6

Re: Throttling...

said by rradina:

So at least for you, is it fair to say that regardless of the technical description of what AT&T does, throttling==service interruption?

Pretty much but its in general. 56 kbps on a smartphone is god awful, a lot of apps that need the internet either won't work or take longer than most are willing to wait to load up. Actually during speedtesting the best I was able to pull was about 48 kbps and unthrottled I see up to and beyond 6mbps on my 3G phone.

EDIT: also most of the data used was from the market like updating apps, maybe uploading a backup of the phones data with maybe 1 or 2 downloads of something of a good size.

Mizzat
Will post for thumbs
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join:2003-05-03
Atlanta, GA
kudos:1
said by rradina:

So at least for you, is it fair to say that regardless of the technical description of what AT&T does, throttling==service interruption?

Except he was talking about T-Mobile....
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rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO

Re: Throttling...

Thanks for pointing that out. I completely missed that and based on the title of Karl's article, assumed AT&T.

Majestik
World Traveler
Premium
join:2001-05-11
Tulsa, OK
I'm prepared to go back to a pay-as-you-go cell phone to keep my number and receive and make calls through my IPad since I rarely make calls.
But so far everything is ok with my iPhone. I'm over 4g every month.
Grandfathered unlimited is still on.
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CptGemini
Inside your computer
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join:2004-11-29
Corpus Christi, TX
kudos:6

Re: Throttling...

Yea take it from someone who's been throttled. It's not fun lol. It was just a test though since I wasn't sure if I would even be throttled or what I would be throttled at.
sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1
I'm using a looooot more than that on my unlimited Verizon lte plan. of course I usually limit my major bandwidth use to off-peak hours in the middle of the night so I don't impact the network.

Justin27

@direcpath.com

No sympathy

I have no sympathy to those fools who continue to pay for throttled services. Sprint may not be the fastest but at least it's truly unlimited.
25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH

Re: No sympathy

for now. Sprint is going down hill rather quickly. Especially with all that $$$ going to Apple. No room to expand really, network upgrades will be where they are most needed for ROI and caps and overages will be coming.

And throttling is still UNLIMITED they are NOT stopping or billing in overages.

espaeth
Digital Plumber
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
kudos:2

Re: No sympathy

said by 25139889:

for now. Sprint is going down hill rather quickly. Especially with all that $$$ going to Apple. No room to expand really, network upgrades will be where they are most needed for ROI and caps and overages will be coming.

As a Sprint user I haven't noticed any decline in the network here in the Minneapolis market.

They also put together a site that tracks work orders for capacity upgrades; it doesn't look like they've slowed down much. See: »network.sprint.com

Chicago_DSL6

join:2003-08-04
South Elgin, IL

Re: No sympathy

said by espaeth:

said by 25139889:

for now. Sprint is going down hill rather quickly. Especially with all that $$$ going to Apple. No room to expand really, network upgrades will be where they are most needed for ROI and caps and overages will be coming.

As a Sprint user I haven't noticed any decline in the network here in the Minneapolis market.

They also put together a site that tracks work orders for capacity upgrades; it doesn't look like they've slowed down much. See: »network.sprint.com

My friend in Barrington, IL has been using Sprint for phone and home internet access since 2006. He noticed call issues and data issues with both the phone and home internet right after the iPhone was released to Sprint. All I know is that for close to a month, it was lots of hoping and praying to get a Yahoo page to load. My two cents on Sprint's network near me.

In regards to Unlimited users and the cap, I am one of those users and have yet to receive a message. Granted, my last bill showed me using 2.2 GB of data. I stream Pandora all the time, I am sure that has something to do with it. If I get the message, I will leave for sure. I pay almost $200 a month for both my wife's phone and my phone. Top that off with another $150 for uVerse, give me a reason to leave.

Oh_No
Trogglus normalus

join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL
said by 25139889:

for now. Sprint is going down hill rather quickly. Especially with all that $$$ going to Apple. No room to expand really, network upgrades will be where they are most needed for ROI and caps and overages will be coming.

And throttling is still UNLIMITED they are NOT stopping or billing in overages.

Says who???
Sprint is the only good wireless ISP as they are unlimited.

I have ATT on a family plan, but I refuse to pay for internet as it is not really needed. I use a knockoff phone running android with wifi only so ATT does not detect it as a smart phone and automatically charge me.

If I needed mobile internet my first choice would be sprint.

dm348937

@kersassistance.com

Re: No sympathy

Sprint's network by definition is more limited than AT&T's, because EVDO is a lot slower than AT&T's UMTS/WCDMA. So unlimited is just a marketing gimmick.

djdanska
Rudie32
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join:2001-04-21
San Diego, CA
kudos:4
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·Cox HSI
I had sprint in chicago. Worst phone company ever for data. 1-1.5Mb was the fastest i got in DuPage when i wasn't at 1xRtt. lol.
I prefer my 10Gb cap with these speeds than crappy unlimited.
»www.speedtest.net/android/136617450.png
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fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:2
said by Justin27 :

I have no sympathy to those fools who continue to pay for throttled services. Sprint may not be the fastest but at least it's truly unlimited.

Sprint has limited coverage where I am.

I have no choice.

That said, 2GB is plenty for my needs on a smartphone.

starcaptor

join:2000-08-19
East Northport, NY
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

Ironic?

If ATT is making it so that people who use over 2 gigs of data are all part of the top 5% and are therefore burdensome to the network...And they are selling a 3 gig plan for $30...Wouldnt that mean that everyone who is using the allotted data that they actually PAID for and are entitled to...mean that all legitimate users of the 3 gig plan would become part of the 5%? That doesnt even make any sense...

How can you be part of the people "burdening" the network by using over 2 gigs on your unlimited plan...and yet youre totally allowed to go over 2 gigs, and use 3 gigs, so long as your plan is different?

So logically, if everyone went to the 3 gig plan, and all used 3 gigs exactly, would thereby overly tax ATTs network which cant purportedly handle even 2 gigs per person o_O;;

Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:2

Re: Ironic?

You could also flip it around. If, at 2Gb of usage, you are in the the top 5%, then the other 95% of their customers on the 3Gb plan are obviously over paying for a service they don't use.
en103

join:2011-05-02
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable

Re: Ironic?

You could spin it a few ways...

1. Those on the 3GB plan are over paying
2. AT&T is actually allowing people to pay to be data hogs on the 3GB plan (was 2GB, and that's where the cap is).

Those capped at 2GB should keep streaming applications running 24x7, as the top 5% will slowly move to less than 2GB (assumed that its calculated only on unlimited)

OR

The 'bar' of 2GB will now be raised as those that put on self control to not pay for overages at 2GB (who would!), as new users are now on 3GB plans.

JohnInSJ
Premium
join:2003-09-22
Aptos, CA
said by starcaptor:

So logically, if everyone went to the 3 gig plan, and all used 3 gigs exactly, would thereby overly tax ATTs network which cant purportedly handle even 2 gigs per person o_O;;

The throttle *only* applies to the unlimited plan. The metered plan is billed per GB. You want to use $100 worth of data in a month watching netflix, AT&T is happy to bill you for that.
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IPPlanMan
Holy Cable Modem Batman

join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1

Re: Ironic?

So I guess they don't really care if the usage is that high as long as they're getting paid for it by the GB....

Heaven forbid an unlimited plan user does the same thing....

So it's not really about congestion is it?

Thought so.

rit56

join:2000-12-01
New York, NY

1 recommendation

The US of A

The basis for all commerce now is to screw everyone for however much you can get away with. What's the point of using a mobile device if it's going to cost 400 a month? Verizon's LTE plans will be to attack Frontier's area, the area they just sold them with their LTE for the home service. The Frontier dsl which is much slower will be a better deal. I hate them all.
BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

Not transparent, but necessary

They need to make it more transparent, but this is necessary, given that they only have a certain amount of capacity on their air interface. Not getting T-Mo didn't help either.

rit56

join:2000-12-01
New York, NY

Re: Not transparent, but necessary

Do you work for them? What a load. Four times a week Karl posts a piece here about the myth of limited capacity and how it's total bullshit. They simply want to gouge people. Throttle service, locked phones, terrible plans.

JigglyWiggly

join:2009-07-12
Pleasanton, CA

1 recommendation

Re: Not transparent, but necessary

This should be illegel, FCC DO SOMETHING FFS

IPPlanMan
Holy Cable Modem Batman

join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1

Re: Not transparent, but necessary

You have to do something so they can do something....

»Re: Just got my first message from them..

Have at it....

chunky

@comcast.net
Exactly, get everybody off the unlimited plans so we can make more money. The greatest thing in history. I know that if I can get the top 5% off there unlimited plans I can sock them with overages, overages, and overages. My wallet get bigger, my investors have a big on there faces, and my costomers can just get screwed.

Sarcasm, but true of course.

Oh_No
Trogglus normalus

join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL

Re: Not transparent, but necessary

said by chunky :

Exactly, get everybody off the unlimited plans so we can make more money. The greatest thing in history. I know that if I can get the top 5% off there unlimited plans I can sock them with overages, overages, and overages. My wallet get bigger, my investors have a big on there faces, and my costomers can just get screwed.

Sarcasm, but true of course.

Most stockholders of a company do not get any benefit from being profitable or more profitable as stock price is not tied to actual company profits. The stock price is set by traders on the stock market. The company profits can go down and their stock price can go up at the same time.

The only shareholders who can benefit from more profits are those that get issued a dividend because profits are up.

chunky

@comcast.net

Re: Not transparent, but necessary

Well, thank you very much for that info, didn't actually know that, (maybe I will think about taking that economics class), but either way they are only doing this to get a money grab and a higher bonus.

scavio
Premium
join:2001-07-14
Melmac
said by Oh_No:

Most stockholders of a company do not get any benefit from being profitable or more profitable as stock price is not tied to actual company profits. The stock price is set by traders on the stock market. The company profits can go down and their stock price can go up at the same time.

The only shareholders who can benefit from more profits are those that get issued a dividend because profits are up.

Current and future profitability have a lot to do with stock price. A vast majority of the time a company's stock price is largely driven on how much money people think it will make. This is an oversimplification, but generally, if you increase profits and are moving on a path that will generate even more profits, your stock price will go up.

A dividend, however, has nothing to do with a profits other than a company that pays them is generally profitable in order to afford it. For instance, Apple makes money hand over fist and doesn't pay a dividend.

Oh_No
Trogglus normalus

join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL

Re: Not transparent, but necessary

said by scavio:

Current and future profitability have a lot to do with stock price. A vast majority of the time a company's stock price is largely driven on how much money people think it will make. This is an oversimplification, but generally, if you increase profits and are moving on a path that will generate even more profits, your stock price will go up.

Nope, there is no link between profits and stock price.
Profits can go up and stock price can go down.
Profits can go down and stock price can raise.
Stock price is 100% based on what the next guy is willing to pay for it.
said by scavio:

A dividend, however, has nothing to do with a profits other than a company that pays them is generally profitable in order to afford it. For instance, Apple makes money hand over fist and doesn't pay a dividend.

A dividend is the strongest connection to profits you will get for stock holders. If the company is more profitable they are more likely to issue a dividend. Stock price has no connection to profits.

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FFH
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Tavistock NJ
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said by rit56:

Do you work for them? What a load. Four times a week Karl posts a piece here about the myth of limited capacity and how it's total bullshit. They simply want to gouge people. Throttle service, locked phones, terrible plans.

Because Karl calls limitations on capacity a myth doesn't make it so. The capacity limitations exist. Whether they could be corrected more quickly than they are is a discussion of what financial resources an ongoing PROFIT-MAKING private enterprise can devote to correcting it is up for debate. Karl would be all for AT&T skipping making a profit to do a crash course update of available wireless spectrum. The stockholders don't share his cavalier attitude towards profits.
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jmn1207
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Ashburn, VA
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Re: Not transparent, but necessary

Karl has never admitted that there wasn't a problem with capacity for wireless networks. His issue has been with cable providers using capacity woes as a major argument to dishonestly prevent video from taking off over the internet by use of caps, where none are actually required.

The capacity myth has always been directed at TV/internet providers, and not towards the wireless carriers.

Now, he has reported that the need for more spectrum is a big lie the mobile industry giants toss around, but that is also very simple to see through, with just 10 minutes of effortless research.
chances14

join:2010-03-03
Michigan

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said by rit56:

Do you work for them? What a load. Four times a week Karl posts a piece here about the myth of limited capacity and how it's total bullshit. They simply want to gouge people. Throttle service, locked phones, terrible plans.

lol do you honestly believe everything that karl writes? he spins stories and facts just like every other journalist out there in the so called "evil media". the difference is that he writes what you want to read.

Oh_No
Trogglus normalus

join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL
said by BiggA:

They need to make it more transparent, but this is necessary, given that they only have a certain amount of capacity on their air interface. Not getting T-Mo didn't help either.

Caps does not solve that, they are used to make extra profit off already profitable users on unlimited.

If their tower is congested they have no choice but to throttle until they upgrade the tower, but there is no excuse for caps.
biochemistry
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92361
They never needed tmobile. Verizon has less available spectrum than at&t and they already cover most of the country.
BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
@rit56: So you believe the laws of physics don't apply to AT&T? It would be great if they didn't, at least at the air interface, but they do. How the manage the traffic is the issue. This system isn't transparent.

@Oh_No: you have to cap at some point. The best solution would be to bring back Unlimited* plans.

*you will be throttled to 200kbps after the first 3GB of data.

You can't upgrade your way out of a limited amount of spectrum. Land-based providers can upgrade themselves out of anything, as you just add more fiber (or make it go at 10gbps).

Verizon now has a lot more spectrum between the 22mhz chunk of SMH, and new AWS from SpectrumCo, etc. And for CLR and PCS? Look at their EVDO. It's getting sloooower and sloooower.

@chances14: Very true. His takes are just as ridiculous as the truth, just on the other side. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle. This site brings up some issues that no one else does, but at the same time, it undermines its credibility with commentary that is detached from reality.
flyingjoey

join:2005-11-07
Jersey City, NJ

Once again... time for Class Action!

So as long as long as you're on a "TIERED" plan where they can easily charge you for "overages" therefore you won't be throttled.

Why haven't the NY Times, Washington Post, LA Times, Miami Herald, Seattle Times ran stories about AT&T's extortionist, racketeering and mob-like, oh and did I forgot "strong-arm" ways of trying to get customers into more expensive plans.

Furthermore, AT&T's attempt to blame their deficiencies and lack of adequate, planning and infrastructure on those poor souls (me included) who still have unlimited yet limited plans.

AT&T's last class action yielded me a $140.00 check in the mail. Let's see what Sharks I mean lawyers can get out of AT&T's new approach.

At the very least, they should get AT&T to publicly admit that they are: Inadequate and that they suck monkey balls

Who thought that prices would go up... I always thought that as technology advanced and things got cheaper prices would drop. I guess not with cell phones.

Steimes
I make internets
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join:2002-01-08
Belle Vernon, PA
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Comcast

I am the top 5%

Well, at least I know I am elite at something...

Has anyone called AT&T up yet? There will always be a top 5%, and the fact that the cut off is below the top tier, I can only assume that as more of us "power" users are effected the cut off will get lower and lower. I know the logic being tossed around in this discussion will only fall on deaf (or unable to make change) ears if I call in.... so will I at least get my cap taken off, money off my bill if I bitch?
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milkman82

join:2006-06-19
Lakewood, OH
Reviews:
·T-Mobile US

Wait... I am lost here..

Did this go into effect already? If so, I have not noticed it. My last bill said I used 3.9GB and I never received any notification. Yes, my data usage has spiked in January.

that was because I bought the iPhone 4s in December. When I had the 3Gs, the data connection was so slow I hardly ever used the 3G service. When I got the 4s, speed increased dramatically. So now, I use the 3G service more.
fiberguy
My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3

2 recommendations

Fair Share huh?

So.. let me get this straight...

If you are on a grandfathered Unlimited Plan @ $30 a month with AT&T and use more than "your fair share" (which I guess is about 2 or 3gb a month) then you are urged to use WiFi or risk being throttled or migrated to the 3gb data plan,.. which just happens to be 3gb.

If you are on the current plans schemes of 3gb (or that other worthless plan which basically covers your phone's normal network communications data in the background) and you are at or about 3gb, you're fine.. if you go over, however, you'll just going to experience smooth sailing because you'll just get charged more for the extra data.

If I put this in simple terms then it's clear...

- Go over 3gb on the "unlimited plan" and we can't charge you for it, then your data is throttled. If you PAY for the "overage" (note the word OVERAGE) then you're fine,.. because you're paying for the data.

Anyone care to correct me here? ... Unlimited is already gone. This happened the day they moved the 2bg tier to the 3gb tier and added $5 more for it.

I am ALL for companies making an honest profit, but it's getting out of hand at every turn.

I REALLY wish that just for ONE MONTH, it's not much to ask.. just ONE MONTH that the blind sheep would be willing to call AT&T and take off their texting and data plans.. just one month. That, and turn their voice plans down to the lowest possible tiers available.. ie: starve the company into submission, the way they force their customers into submission with their manipulative policies.
peeps

join:1999-08-16
Houston, TX

The end is near

For grandfathered unlimited iPhone users, the end is near. They'll probably take advantage of the switch to LTE (iPhone 5 presumably) to force people to pick a metered plan. Same happened when the 3G came out.
Chubbysumo

join:2009-12-01
Superior, WI
Reviews:
·Charter

top 5% my ass

how is it that millions of users are in the top 5% of data users with only 2GB worth of data? I call bullshit on AT&T. Back when I had service, i would use around 4GB without any netflix. Add netflix to that, and it would easily double or more. I think its more like the top 50% of users are starting to see this more and more as the need for more data skyrockets. Hang in there people, stick it out, and eventually, AT&T will get whats coming. Or, better yet, speak with your wallets, and move to sprint, who does offer truly unlimited data.

NOCMan
MacChatter
Premium
join:2004-09-30
Colorado Springs, CO

Bye Bye AT&T Hell Verizon When LTE iPhone Comes

That grandfathered unlimited plan was all that was keeping me on AT&T's service, so it seems it's finally time to part ways.

88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

Re: Bye Bye AT&T Hell Verizon When LTE iPhone Comes

said by NOCMan:

That grandfathered unlimited plan was all that was keeping me on AT&T's service, so it seems it's finally time to part ways.

Verizon doesn't have unlimited data. 2 GB for $30, 5 GB for $50, 10 GB for $80 with $10 per GB overages.

IPPlanMan
Holy Cable Modem Batman

join:2000-09-20
Washington, DC
kudos:1

FTC/FCC Complaint Procedures

Here's what we can do:

FTC:
»www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/

For "unlimited" plan customers, AT&T has provided no proof of the accuracy of its internal bandwidth meters, and thus there is no consumer-transparent basis under which this "top 5%" throttling practice is determined and implemented. The FTC needs to investigate this deceptive business practice.

Additionally: Considering that AT&T now provides tiered data offerings, there is another reason to ensure that these meters are accurate. Who's checking this?

All the more reason for the FTC to make AT&T come clean on this.

FCC:
»www.fcc.gov/complaints

Select "Deceptive or unlawful advertising or marketing by a communications company (does NOT include Telemarketing)"

You will fill out "Form 2000A - Deceptive or Unlawful Advertising and Promotion Complaint"

You can submit this form online or on paper.

Very simple to do.
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xmarklive

@sbcglobal.net

att plans

We all know unlimited is dead,to think that you should be able to do what you want without limit is a joke. Every business out their would go bankrupt if they offered unlimited usage for a flat rate, just imagine if gas was a flat rate based upon how much a person used last month ,well you would have people getting gas for other people causing a shortage. I think ATT should lower there prices so that those that use much less than 2gb pay much less than the data hogs.......it seems like they have no need for most of us people that don't use over 2gb per month.

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tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
Reviews:
·ooma
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FiOS

knew this was coming!

DUH! Unless you're willing to sue in class action these grandfathered customers are going to get screwed! You are all better off cancelling the account altogether and go back to wired service! Just keep the cell phone for 911 calls, wifi for everything else!
mswann

join:2006-07-08
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

High Data usage

They sent me an email and txt. Just checked my last bill and it shows 2.7gb for the month just for my phone. I am already at 850mb for this billing cycle. I think the email is auto generated at around 1.75gb.
ernliz

join:2001-11-25
Albemarle, NC

Bandwidth Hogs!

I agree w/ ATT (no, I'm not an employee...) because bandwidth hogs hurt performance for the rest of us on limited usage plans. They also tie up the towers. If you want to watch TV, use a television. If you want to stream video just for yucks, use your PC or use wi-fi. And quit whining for abusing your "unlimited" plan. Or just go to some other "unlimited" provider.

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starcaptor

join:2000-08-19
East Northport, NY
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS

The top 5%

You too can become part of the elite 5%...just make sure you use 2+ gigs of data with an "unlimited" badge.

If you have a 3 gig plan, and you use 2+ gigs, mysteriously you are part of the "normies" who dont get to be called out for being bandwidth hogs...boo hoo.

Theoretically, assume that 90% of the people who use their smartphones just check FB and play games...maybe using 200 megs a month...does that mean if you use 201 megs a month, out of your 3 gigs/unlimited gigs/whatever gigs...that you are suddenly part of the elite 5%?

Scary...you might just use as little data as you can, but just because everyone else used less than you, you are suddenly a social pariah...

xmarklive

@mycingular.net

data

Well their are people that use 10g gbs a month,and I think art is just trying to stop that type of usage before it gets out of hand.yes they shouldn't punish everyone everyone it they are.

buddahbless

join:2005-03-21
Premium
Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service

We All know what ATT is sceard of...

Also not just them but the likes of any broadband provider that throttles or caps wireless service....

»thenextweb.com/mobile/2012/02/06···oliday/?

When Customers in Russia are downloading 419GB of data over 3G, YES 3G in less than a month and not paying a dime more than there flat rate plans advertised, this only proves were getting ripped off here in the USA. Spectrum BS or not our data rate plans are a total rip off! Throttles wouldnt be so bad if you were throttled to 1/2 of your advertised throughput ( example from 10mbps to 5mpbs or full 4G to full 3G speeds) however there knocking us down to 1/100 and expect us to stand for it, or depending on how you look at it in this case bend over and take it!

Tmobile now throttles to around 119kbps
ATT throttles to around 128kbps
and with all the high end things these smartphones are doing now these throttled speeds do nothing more for us than to piss us off when you read stories like the one linked above.