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Comments on news posted 2012-02-15 14:39:55: "Data consumption right now is growing 40% a year," John Stankey of AT&T recently told investors, numbers confirmed by CEO Randall Stephenson on a recent investor call. ..

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elios

join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
reply to delusion ftl

Re: Always seemed strange to me

3 things
1. iphone
2. related to 1 long term contracts with high ETFs want that shiny new iphone well you have to renew your contract so a lot of people are stuck now
3. most people are just sheep and dont want to be bother to switch or dont know better again iphones



bbeesley
VIP
join:2003-08-07
Richardson, TX
kudos:5
reply to WiWavelength

Re: Karl is at it again

said by WiWavelength:

That you need to substantiate. Your repeated assertion is woefully insufficient proof. Show us some AT&T spectrum utilization data that you have compiled or from an independent source.

That seems like a fair request...perhaps we can ask the same of Karl regarding his repeated assertions and references to his own editorials as proof that they are lying


Jason Hansel

@speakeasy.net

To do this you'd need AT&T to reveal raw network data, and that's not going to happen for obvious reasons. AT&T is the one consistently claiming that an unmanageable spectrum and network capacity crisis requires regulation X, law Y, or acquisition Z, so the burden of proof is on their shoulders.



Metatron2008
Premium
join:2008-09-02
united state
reply to FFH

Re: thats att for you

Well yeah, bullshit articles without tons of cash under the table wouldn't fake a prostitute politician...


tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY

CANCEL

cancel your account now before you pay for service which sucks (aka throttled!)



Metatron2008
Premium
join:2008-09-02
united state
reply to elios

Re: Always seemed strange to me

At&t has the hsdpa network as well, which is the fastest on the current 3g iphone. If the iphone was on tmobile, or we get a lte iphone you might find different results...


sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1
reply to FFH

Re: thats att for you

said by FFH:

said by Metatron2008:

Well it is deceitful, as it's clearly marketing doublespeak. In the same breath, keeping up with how fast things are going up in use with both cell phone and wifi would be a good thing, as you can build out (at&t build out, LOL) with that in mind. However, this piece gives no distinction on the two, and I would have to agree with the article, no matter how slanted it is, that this is a deceitful articule written to gain support from dumb politicians.

The whole reason for the existence of marketing departments is to put lipstick on a pig. Politicians are in the same exact business. I truly doubt any politicians are fooled by things put out by marketing departments.

Well then you don't know how politics works. The politicians have almost nothing to do with the data or bills. They spend their time drumming up campaign support. It's their young and inexperienced staffers, often with very little knowledge or understanding of the intrinsic issues, who the lobbyists meet with and are "taught" the new data. Those staffers then make recommendations to their bosses. So AT&T has a vested interest to convey their position.

Thus AT&T doesn't obfuscate and lie for the fun of it. They do it because it gets results, in large part because our political system is utterly broken.

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1
reply to ITALIAN926

said by ITALIAN926:

How is it that if AT%T claims that data consumption is climbing 40% per year, its an exxageration, and is insignificant according to this website. If a study comes out that .05% people cut the cord this year, its a huge deal , and is headlines on this site twice a week? lol

Technology advances. Landline growth has been growing 30% annually for the last decade, but bandwidth has grown cheaper even faster than consumption has increased. This is part of the reason capex has been steadily decreasing the last few years among the ISP monopolies/duopolies.


FFH
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5
reply to sonicmerlin

said by sonicmerlin:

said by FFH:

said by Metatron2008:

Well it is deceitful, as it's clearly marketing doublespeak. In the same breath, keeping up with how fast things are going up in use with both cell phone and wifi would be a good thing, as you can build out (at&t build out, LOL) with that in mind. However, this piece gives no distinction on the two, and I would have to agree with the article, no matter how slanted it is, that this is a deceitful articule written to gain support from dumb politicians.

The whole reason for the existence of marketing departments is to put lipstick on a pig. Politicians are in the same exact business. I truly doubt any politicians are fooled by things put out by marketing departments.

Well then you don't know how politics works. The politicians have almost nothing to do with the data or bills. They spend their time drumming up campaign support. It's their young and inexperienced staffers, often with very little knowledge or understanding of the intrinsic issues, who the lobbyists meet with and are "taught" the new data. Those staffers then make recommendations to their bosses. So AT&T has a vested interest to convey their position.

Thus AT&T doesn't obfuscate and lie for the fun of it. They do it because it gets results, in large part because our political system is utterly broken.

No I think the post previous to yours sums up the reality very well:
»Re: thats att for you
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sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1
reply to BiggA

Re: Karl is at it again

said by BiggA:

They don't squat on spectrum, they're not any worse than any other carrier. In fact here, they are the best.

AT&T is your mother, your father, your wife, and your deity. It's a little disturbing.

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1
reply to bbeesley

said by bbeesley:

said by WiWavelength:

That you need to substantiate. Your repeated assertion is woefully insufficient proof. Show us some AT&T spectrum utilization data that you have compiled or from an independent source.

That seems like a fair request...perhaps we can ask the same of Karl regarding his repeated assertions and references to his own editorials as proof that they are lying

Dude, AT&T and Verizon have all the money. They were the only ones who could afford the beachfront 700 MHz spectrum in the last auction, and now they're trying to bribe Congress into giving them the vast majority of the upcoming auction of 300 MHz of new spectrum.

AT&T spends more money lobbying Congress than any other corporation in the US.

T-Mobile has around 50 MHz of spectrum, Sprint a little more than that (not including Clearwire's junk 2.5 GHz). AT&T and Verizon own 100+ MHz, but the density of their towers is far, far less than European carriers. AT&T's own CEO admitted they massively underinvested in their network from 2007 onwards.

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1
reply to ritchblasi

Re: Wireless Growth Claims

said by ritchblasi :

No matter whether it's AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile or Sprint, they all need spectrum and are all facing quality and capacity issues based on increased data usage.

Says who? Where's your evidence of this?

Have you ever used T-Mobile's HSPA+ 42 service? It's ridiculously fast. Or Verizon and AT&T's LTE? It beats out basic cable.

Or Sprint's Network Vision-renovated cell sites? 3G speeds are wonderful in those places.

Where is your evidence that we're facing a crunch?

BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to 88615298

Re: Karl is at it again

Then why don't you get a carrier that works? AT&T clearly isn't a good choice in your area. Verizon or a local carrier if they are around would be a better choice.

@WiWavelength: I call it like it is, regardless of who is impacts. If anyone wants to talk data in Manhattan, I'm gonna bash AT&T hardcore. Their network down there is a POS.

They are using all their CLR and PCS, and the SMH and AWS is for LTE. Do you think they would just purposefully not use spectrum when their network has capacity problems in some markets?

@bbeesley: Exactly. They would fall apart.

@sonicmerlin: No one else can afford to build out on the spectrum anyways. Verizon has enough, AT&T needs some more so that they can compete with Verizon.



silentlooker
Premium
join:2009-11-01

Att/tmobile deal would have create & saved jobs, jobs, jobs

Everyone need to understand that if att/tmobile deal was approved it would have created jobs, jobs, jobs.


mocycler
Premium
join:2001-01-22
kudos:1
reply to BiggA

Re: Karl is at it again

The statements Karl has been making on this website for years are not necessarily wrong or not credible.

The issue I have is that he is very one sided and passes off editorials as legitimate "news". It's the same old shit day after day: All big companies are bad and everything they do has an ulterior motive. It's boring and tiresome.

Not much going on in your life, is there Karl? You really need to get a hobby.

There's a reason why 99.999% of my activity here is in one of the social or General Question forums.



nothing00

join:2001-06-10
Centereach, NY
reply to bbeesley

There are two ways to have more wireless capacity.

1. Get more spectrum.
2. Build more towers.

One of these is cheaper and has the advantage of denying capacity to your competitors. Guess which?

The "spectrum crunch" is all about the bottom line. It's not that we'll "run out" and be unable to provide service one day. Operators can still maintain healthy margins but they just always want to squeeze that extra 0.5% out... Or more than 0.5% when it comes to fleecing their customers.



Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
reply to FFH

Re: thats att for you

said by FFH:

said by firedrakes:

they do love to lie alot

They didn't lie at all. Right in their blog entry they talk about it including their WiFi network. It isin't their fault if people can't read or understand the terms.
»www.attinnovationspace.com/innov···185975=1

Who gives a sh*t about 3G and 4G then when you can just offload your customers to WiFi?

Just convert all your customers to EDGE and when they want faster speeds, offload them to WiFi.
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Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT

1 edit
reply to nothing00

Re: Karl is at it again

said by nothing00:

There are two ways to have more wireless capacity.

3. Actually upgrade your towers to OC3 instead of adding a T1 here and there.
4. Add more arrays to each tower.


Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
reply to Metatron2008

Re: Always seemed strange to me

said by Metatron2008:

At&t has the hsdpa network as well

Who cares if you can't actually use it.

Sure, I can claim to have an HSDPA (or LTE) network.. but if I only feed it with a few T1's or a T3, it won't matter.


Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
reply to silentlooker

Re: Att/tmobile deal would have create & saved jobs, jobs, jobs

said by silentlooker:

Everyone need to understand that if att/tmobile deal was approved it would have created jobs, jobs, jobs.

Heh.. Ya, right. I'd like to hear their definition of creating more jobs.


Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT

at&t destroys whatever they acquire

We've seen it here in Montana. Alltel was decent and reasonable. Their data rates were pretty good and coverage was awesome.

Here comes at&t. They buy the remaining Alltel areas from Verizon and completely screw it up. I had a comparison of Alltel's speeds and at&t's speeds here and I had a massive "WTF?!!?" moment.

More dropped calls than Alltel (I only had a couple dropped on Alltel in two years), worse data speeds I've ever soon (this is 3G???), and rather sh*tty customer service.

How, exactly, do you take a perfectly running service and completely screw it up? I wonder if they purposely did it. Why? Hell if I know.
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MyWS[PnmIIX3@3.3G,8G RAM,500G+1.5T+2T HDDs,Win7]
WifeWS[A64@2G,2G RAM,120G HDD,Win7]
Router[2xP3@1G,1G RAM,18G HDD,Allied Telesyn AT2560FX,2xDigital QP DE504,Compaq DP NC3131,2xSun QP GigaSwift, SMC 8432BTA, Gentoo]


BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
reply to mocycler

Re: Karl is at it again

I'll give him credit for bringing up issues that no one else does, but the insane editorializing just seems to get worse and worse.

@nothing00: There's only so many places to put towers. Maybe that's AT&T's issue in NYC, since there are many places there, and they don't use towers, they use rooftop sites, but in general, there are a certain amount of towers to get on, and from there you need spectrum. The T-Mobile merger would have given them better spectrum synergy, and better site synergy, which would have added multiplicatively, but no, the FCC didn't want that logical and simple solution.


WhatNow
Premium
join:2009-05-06
Charlotte, NC
reply to Simba7

Re: Att/tmobile deal would have create & saved jobs, jobs, jobs

You layoff X number of people and then hire 1/2X different people at lower wages and say you created that many jobs but fail to ever mention you cut that same number of high paying jobs.


WernerSchutz

join:2009-08-04
Sugar Land, TX
reply to mocycler

Re: Karl is at it again

said by mocycler:

It's the same old shit day after day: All big companies are bad and everything they do has an ulterior motive. It's boring and tiresome.

But it is true. Funny how truth is boring to some.

WernerSchutz

join:2009-08-04
Sugar Land, TX
reply to Simba7

Re: Att/tmobile deal would have create & saved jobs, jobs, jobs

said by Simba7:

said by silentlooker:

Everyone need to understand that if att/tmobile deal was approved it would have created jobs, jobs, jobs.

Heh.. Ya, right. I'd like to hear their definition of creating more jobs.

Simple. More jobs (in India) to deal w/ pissed off American customers enjoying "the experience".


nycnetwork

join:2000-11-12
Brooklyn, NY
reply to Alex J

Re: thats att for you

Wait, so AT&T is claiming that increased smartphone sales trigger huge growth in wireless data... wait... didn't they sell those phones, collected money, and are also getting monthly at least $70+ per pop ?
WTF?! Where did that money go? Did they use any of that for network upgrades or those corporate pigs are pocketing it alowng with our $36 upgrade fees? Why not predicting issues, upgrading it accordingly and in advance or if they can't accept more subscribers, STOP OFFERING SUBSCRIPTIONS!!!!
If they can't provide me with the service I signed up for, and I kept using my phone the same way as two years ago, then I want my money back, and no ETF.
WTF?! GREED MUCH?!



Paladin
Sage of the light

join:2001-08-17
Chester, IL
reply to sonicmerlin

Re: Wireless Growth Claims

Where is Karl's?



Paladin
Sage of the light

join:2001-08-17
Chester, IL
reply to BiggA

Re: Karl is at it again

Read Kevin Fritchard's article on the Spectrum Crunch.

»gigaom.com/broadband/is-the-spec···-a-myth/

Stakey (AT&T's COO) also said data growth on cellular networks was 40% a year, a far cry from the crazy figure thrown out by Donovan that included anything and everything AT&T could throw in.



Paladin
Sage of the light

join:2001-08-17
Chester, IL

1 edit
reply to BiggA

Read Kevin Fritchard's article on the Spectrum Crunch.

»gigaom.com/broadband/is-the-spec···-a-myth/

Stakey (AT&T's COO) also said data growth on cellular networks was 40% a year, a far cry from the crazy figure thrown out by Donovan that included anything and everything AT&T could throw in.



bbeesley
VIP
join:2003-08-07
Richardson, TX
kudos:5
reply to Simba7

said by Simba7:

3. Actually upgrade your towers to OC3 instead of adding a T1 here and there.

the majority of carrier activity is bypassing TDM and going to Ethernet handoffs

at any rate, they have already for some time now been actively implementing much larger bandwidth adds than you suggest...an OC3 would only get them a bit less than 150Mbs max....from what I have seen from all the carriers, they are running more like 600-700Mbs per tower and trending has the industry expecting demand for 1G connections being the norm within the next 18months

I have spoken with numerous service providers who are looking for upgrade paths to take their current 1G service rings and spurs to 10G to facilitate this growing demand from cell providers at their towers.