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Comments on news posted 2012-02-21 10:42:12: 3DTV marketing started seriously ramping up in 2010, with companies like Comcast, Cablevision and Verizon all trying to out hype one another via "first" 3DTV sports broadcasts. ..

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reply to Mele20

Re: Ugh

said by Mele20:

So, don't say everyone buys a TV to hook it up to other stuff as that is not true at all.

I said *MOST* people, NOT *all* people.


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Re: You need a connected TV to avoid all the expense

I can almost guarantee the apps on your TV will not be good for 9-10 years. Not a chance. Look at consoles the last gen out 10 years ago has never gotten netflix and they have a wider user base, much more powerful hardware and a longer product cycle than TVs. These tvs have cheap application processors that they will stop supporting in a year or two at most. They may get better but I predict it is more likely that slighted consumers, as you will be in a year or two when there is a hot new streaming app or change to an existing one that you can't get, will increasingly turn their noises at this mess.

Integrating things without clear benefits is negative not positive. Phone with camera, gps, internet, apps? Amazing portability and potential to use those technologies together. TV with VCR/DVD/smart function built in? No thanks I will take the flexibility of having them separated. Same reason I don't want my computer built in to my monitor. Bolting those things together makes sense for laptops but is dumb for desktops where portability is not required.

You say vcr's were bad, how about asking some one who had one integrated into their tv what they think of it (not to mention 10 years later when the medium was dead).

Mele20
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So? I got the TV to watch broadcast TV in HD without the need to pay my cable company more than the bulk rate I pay for analog TV. The rest is trimmings. If the trimmings go away and I think I cannot go with life if I can't get the "latest" streaming whatever...well I'll do without...no big deal. I had no TV at all for ten years and only very recently began to want one again...a few years from now, I probably won't want TV anymore again. As for movies, I never go to movies in movie theatres and if I can't occasionally watch one streaming via my TV five years from now...sooo??? It won't matter that much if I can't.

I dislike cell phones, don't have one, and don't want one. My privacy and health are important to me and that means avoiding cell phones. Everyone I know wants a Smart TV but many do not want cell phones and those I know with them (with the exception of business people) do not have bells and whistles on them.

What would be wrong with having VCR integrated into a TV when VCR was popular? I don't understand. I would have liked that a lot better than having to hook up a separate one. I hate set top boxes and anything that must hook up to a TV...integrated I like. What I did not like about VCR was all the hassle surrounding using one. It was not worth the hassle. DVR is far better but it involves hooking up stuff from your cable company to the TV which I don't want to do. I want it all integrated and I want to avoid being stuck with high fees from the cable company or some other company. Samsung should have built in a DVR.

As for a computer built into a monitor, I think that is cool. It is very elegant looking. All the tons of cables and wires all over are missing with an elegant looking computer like that. If the one Dell offers was rated higher, I would consider buying one. They currently are somewhat lacking so not good for the main computer but as a backup they would be great and look so nice! But they need Windows 8 so now is not the time to get one.
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antdude
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OTA and CRT!

I still use OTA and CRT TVs. :P I keep them simple and cheap/free.

jp10558
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reply to sparc

Re: Poor performance killed connected tvs

Botched connected TV maybe, but as a TV they work fine and are pretty understandable to all tech level users. Someone might take over the connected tv market, but I doubt it - it's an odd market niche as it is. Anyone who wants features pretty much wants a box they can change out more often than the TV as the features are changing pretty fast. I.e for a while Netflix was fine for video, but now there's hulu, amazon, maybe new ones around the corner. USB playback of avi was ok at one time, now you might want mkv ...

And on and on.
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jp10558
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reply to Mele20

Re: You need a connected TV to avoid all the expense

Well, I bought a sharp aquos a year ago for a pretty penny. Having Netflix on it was nice. But now I would prefer to have access to the content that's on Amazon Prime which I also have (not for streaming, but it's a nice bonus). My TV doesn't have it. I could potentially spend, what, $100 on a box or, by your suggestion, buy a new TV for $1500? Why would that make any sense?

Actually, even buying a box doesn't make sense, as Avveo or whatever the new streaming thing discussed might not be supported by it. With the rasberry pi coming out with XBMC, I'm guessing something like that or a HTPC will make the most sense - if a user is actually interested in internet / smart TV...
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ak3883

join:2005-08-20
Horsham, PA

MLB.TV

Last season I got MLB.TV after the all-star break for the $20 or whatever they were offering for the rest of the season. Great decision. Not only could I watch anywhere I wanted, I used the MLB.TV app for my Samsung LED, and could watch games on my nice TV in my living room without having to deal with an HTPC or laptop hooked up to the TV. The quality was very good, sure occasionally it would drop down in quality buy usually came back to "HD" pretty quick. I was very impressed and would consider doing again, however I won't pay the $110(or whatever it is) for the full year when every year they offer it for like $20 after the all-star break.

THIS is where a connected TV pays off. The TV product/version of MLB Extra Innings is just as expensive, limited to only my cable box, and my cable provider(Cox Rhode Island) does not have the "Team HD" feeds so no HD games for my team(Phillies). MLB.TV online has both home and away feeds, archived versions, and HD. No brainer here, stick with MLB.TV and stay awy from Extra Innings/TV version.


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reply to talz13

Re: Not using because ....

said by talz13:

And, when everything changes again (media formats, containers, new services, etc.), it's much easier to handle buying a new $100-$200 box to attach to your non-connected TV, than to buy a new $1000-$2000 TV.

Nope, the TV just needs a Firmware update to upgrade it to the latest standards and codecs. My Sony LED/LCD HDTV has had 2 major firmware updates in the last Year. The updates sped up operation plus Sony even added new features and services.
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talz13

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I've had bad experiences with updates to consumer equipment. If a format isn't supported on day one, I'd rather wait or find something that does support it.

Also, are they going to continue to support your TV 4 or 5 years down the road? I'd still rather not replace a perfectly good 65" TV just because the extra services are no longer current.


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Re: You need a connected TV to avoid all the expense

Shhhhh.... don't tell her that the FCC is proposing to allow cable companies be able to encrypt everything. Besides that TWC announced they're getting rid of all analog service within the next 5 years. So any cable service her TV has now will be useless without a box, probably within 5 years.

»Boxee Warns of Push for Basic Cable Encryption
»Time Warner Cable Abandoning Analog - All Digital 5 Years
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ctceo
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No Suprise

This doesn't surprise me. Just like you won't hear about the 43-45% of households that can no longer get most of their over-the-air television because of the NTSC-ATSC switch.

jfmezei
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Glass is half full instead of half empty

The headline should have been "50% of TVs already connected to the internet"

Consider how cable companies keep downplaying cable cutters. It seems to me that of 50% of new TVs are being used to access OTT content bypassing cable/satellite, this is a HUGE news.

Mele20
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reply to DrDrew

Re: You need a connected TV to avoid all the expense

As usual you seem to think I am an idiot. I know all that. Why wouldn't I?

Whenever Oceanic moves to all digital (probably not for 4-5 years because the vast majority of customers here have analog only still as this is a low income area with extremely high cost of living), new bulk contracts will be negotiated with multi dwelling buildings. Standard digital will likely become bulk rate and anything beyond that will be extra charge to the individual. When Standard digital becomes bulk rate then a box should be needed only for extras. That's what I have been told to expect. Of course, things can change, but I have about 4-5 years without a box even if a box ends up being required for Standard cable in multi dwelling buildings. Maybe I'll be bored with TV again by then, maybe I won't even be alive, maybe I will have moved to where I can get Dish instead, maybe a lot of things. If this building cannot get bulk rate when analog is finally killed, I think the building will put a dish on the roof and abandon OTWC or by then HawTel might have IPtv for Hilo and they would love a contract with this building. Many things can happen around 4-5 years from now. This TV could die also and I could choose not to replace it. (If bulk rate is not negotiated when Oceanic does move to all digital then I would simply not have a TV as I cannot afford individual home rate for digital cable. But I think the building would go with Dish or IPtv instead in that situation. But considering the expense Oceanic went to in converting the wiring to digital in this building I think they will do everything possible to keep the bulk account for TV).

Psst ...to anyone reading...take DrDrew's comments with a grain of salt. He proved to be mostly wrong about my recent HD TV problem. It WAS TOTALLY CAUSED BY OCEANIC and had nothing to do with the performance of the TV. It's fixed FINALLY except for some of the ads which are slowly getting fixed and are fixed on analog but not all fixed on HD clearqam channels. I was thanked again by neighbors for getting their TV reception fixed. HD channels are perfect again (except for some ads and occasional voice out of sync with video). As in the past, no one on the node called, none were persistent with Oceanic about it except for me and Oceanic has thanked me for my persistence and help. (That's not to say it won't go wacko again in the future and it would be nice if it wasn't always up to me to be the one to get it fixed).
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said by Mele20:

Psst ...to anyone reading...take DrDrew's comments with a grain of salt. He proved to be mostly wrong about my recent HD TV problem. It WAS TOTALLY CAUSED BY OCEANIC and had nothing to do with the performance of the TV. It's fixed FINALLY except for some of the ads which are slowly getting fixed and are fixed on analog but not all fixed on HD clearqam channels. I was thanked again by neighbors for getting their TV reception fixed. HD channels are perfect again (except for some ads and occasional voice out of sync with video). As in the past, no one on the node called, none were persistent with Oceanic about it except for me and Oceanic has thanked me for my persistence and help. (That's not to say it won't go wacko again in the future and it would be nice if it wasn't always up to me to be the one to get it fixed).

I was wondering what happened with that those multiple issues as you pretty much dropped the thread:
»[TWC] Ads not showing full screen (now Newscasts also) HD ch

I said some of it was caused by issues with the broadcaster or TWC. Then I asked about some settings on your TV because other Samsung users noticed they saw some of the issues you were seeing and it was caused by TV settings.

Things I said in that thread:
said by DrDrew :

What problems have the techs been out for and what have they told you?

said by DrDrew :

Did the techs ever try or suggest testing your setup with a cable box in place to see if the same problems still occurred?

The ad problems are because of resolution switching... sounds like the TV (or maybe a receiver or encoder in the cable headend or even the broadcaster) might be having issues with AFD or WSS signaling due to incorrect configuration.

AFD: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_For···cription
WSS: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widescreen_signaling

Either way I'm curious as to how your problems would be affected if a cable box was used.

[edit] Do you have any other video sources (like a DVD, Bluray, or PC) you can connect to the TV to see if you have similar problems?

said by Drdrew :

The banners are a broadcaster issue, nothing TWC can do about that.

The resolution switching can be an issue with the broadcaster or something on TWCs end that needs to be adjusted.

Have you tried contacting the local ABC station? I think its KITV and they have a contact page:
»www.kitv.com/contactus/index.html

It might be an easier route than trying to get TWC to help you with a clearQAM issue. If nothing else they have a clear path to the right techs in TWC to assist in fixing it on their end.

At the very least you'll see what the local ABC says.

said by DrDrew :

So you have a 6000 series Samsung 46" LED TV.

Has it received any firmware updates in the last few weeks?
(My 55" LED 6000 series and my 55" 3D LED 8000 series Samsung TVs found a newer firmware version about 2 weeks ago, which I did, but haven't had any problems).

What picture size setting do you have it on?

Just checking the basics.

BTW, most cable providers don't like the energy saving setting on gear because then equipment turns off unexpectedly to the user and they call their provider wondering why they don't have a picture when their cable box is on. It just needlessly drives dumb calls that are easily preventable by turning the energy saving settings off. It's like the off switch on modems. Many users don't seem to understand it and it's just easier to support without it in the way.

said by DrDrew :

Your timing description always bugs me when reading through this thread... about how things change 20-30 minutes after turning it on. The cable company can't time things just for your TV.

Then flipping through the manual for your TV I noticed the above.

Are you sure "store demo" mode is off?

said by DrDrew :

Have you seen or heard of the same color or banner problems with any of your neighbors or at the local TWC office?

Did I blame your TV? I said it might be possible and I asked about some settings because other people had similar issues due to certain settings on the TV.

Do you have an actual description of what was done to fix those problems? "TOTALLY CAUSED BY OCEANIC" isn't possible for all of the issues you had.
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longgone

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For Obvious Reasons?

Consumers are probably already fully maxed out connected, and even while all the times the TV is just "on", with consoles, disk players, media players, laptops, smartphones and massage slabs and all their many countless electronic devices that monitors their total existence.