Re: If AT&T doesnt want it, isnt that a hint? i'll buy all the coverage areas for $500 as long as i can do as i want with no union contracts and unions bitching at me. And that's what it's going to come down to. Nobody is going to want to deal with them, and ATT and VZ has had it with them.
*no offense if you still work for VZ or another telco or in the union*
Slight change needed
There, fixed that for you.
who primarily have the choice of slow, overpriced satellite, or carrier pigeon.
AT&T gonna AT&T See. This is a prime example why corporations lobby for deregulation.
Just a bunch of old greedy selfish babies.
Re: AT&T gonna AT&T
said by HaloFans:They are indeed greedy, although they often lobby in order to set up regulation that favors them and puts their opposition out of business. It's far more an issue of moral character corruption than political philosophy.
See. This is a prime example why corporations lobby for deregulation.
Just a bunch of old greedy selfish babies.
Re: Economically viable?
said by SunnyD:My understanding is that the management of a corporation has a fiduciary responsibility to their stockholders to do exactly that.
It's really sad when a company refuses to think of anything but profits.
Best money ever spent I'm so happy we gave the telcos $200B to bring us fiber.
Re: Best money ever spent Congratulations on completely misrepresenting the article. Did you even read it?
said by ITALIAN926:"Over the decade from 1994-2004 the major telephone companies profited from higher phone rates paid by all of us, accelerated depreciation on their networks, and direct tax credits an average of $2,000 per subscriber for which the companies delivered precisely nothing in terms of service to customers. That's $200 billion with nothing to be shown for it."
So, obviously, you believe that the telco's have 200billion in a vault somewhere. Or was any monies in question used to provide for EXISTING SERVICES at the time.
That money isn't sitting in a vault anywhere. It was used to record record profits and to re-consolidate the Baby Bells back into less than a handful of companies. Two in particular, AT&T and Verizon, are much larger than the rest.
They were originally supposed to use that money to roll out "video dial tone, which referred in the mid-1990s to the provision of video-on-demand and cable TV-equivalent service by U.S. telephone companies at (bidirectional!) speeds up to 45 megabits per second over fiber and hybrid fiber-coax networks." They got that dumbed that down even further in the final bill to ADSL, and then they gamed the states' public utilities commissions so that they could basically reap all of the benefits but roll out minimal service.
Need I also remind you that this was originally supposed to be 45M SYMMETRICAL service. U-Verse tops out at 24m down and 3M up...if you can even get it. Hell, I can't even get AT&T DSL and I live in the Bay Area.
said by ITALIAN926:"In a Federal Communications Commission (FCC) report from 1994 there were requests from U.S. telephone companies to provide video dial-tone service at unprecedented levels. Bell Atlantic (now part of Verizon) wanted to install service to 3.5 million homes in its service area. Nynex (now also a part of Verizon) requested permission to install service to 400,000 homes. Pacific Bell (now part of AT&T) wanted to install service to 1.3 million homes. Ameritech (now part of AT&T) wanted to install service to 1.2 million homes. GTE (now part of Verizon) wanted to install service to 1.1 million homes."
... and besides all that, Verizon FiOS and AT&T Uverse has passed many more homes than the article states. There are over 4 million FiOS customers alone.
Adding up the numbers for Bell Atlantic, Nynex, and GTE yields 5M...in 1994. Fios has hit 4.6M as of Q3 2011. Not bad, until you realize that the US population has grown by 50M people and 17M households since then, of which I'm sure Verizon has its fair share.
Basically, we got totally screwed.
Is this for dial-tone & all??? OK, so just so I'm clear...
While the title it talking about selling off DSL Markets, is this meaning selling off the accompanying "dial tone" (ie: access lines) & plant completely? (like Verizon did w/Frontier)
Or are they ONLY talking about the DSL service(s) itself?
Economically viable is code "They (AT&T) can't find an "economically viable" way to upgrade these users" is code for "we can make more money with a 10 GB capped wireless system".
screw this I'm cancelling. Done. Game over. Only had the promo for a few months in this place, and am moving again soon anyway.
Might as well take Cox up on the free month of service, and cancel "Ma Bell" right now.
Yes, I could get "uHearse" at this location, but I'm not going to be there long enough to fulfill the contract, and forget about messing around with video + data + voice over a phone line...
I've said it years ago - I find it funny that AT&T is only just now realizing how pointless it is to try to squeeze so much crap through a little stir-straw sized pipe.
Now begins the fun of trying to cancel my service.
So long, DSL. Hope I never have to deal with you, ever again.
Oh, and fun coincidence that we just got a bill at work for a P2P T1 circuit that just went out of contract, so the rate is INSANE for a freaking T1 P2P literally across the street.
Icing on the 'fsck you' cake.
At least I have the small satisfaction of:
1) not giving them any more money personally
2) setting up a wireless bridge to this building, even though it'll be a PITA due to LOS issues (but it can, and will be done).
smell that? ...yep... less money headed your way soon Ma Bell...
My concerns. 1st of all, I have the 3 Meg plan on ADSL, but if I were a new customer and I wanted DSL, I could only get 1.5 Meg on what they brand as U-verse. Maybe the ports are full and that is why 3 Meg or higher isn't available.
2nd, Since my area has been "upgraded" more like downgraded, ATT might not sell this area off.
3rd, and even if they do sell it off, what will the prices be, the monthly limit and the speed offering?
4th, Is it possible for ATT to sell DSL to a different provider without disconnecting me and if not, how long would I be disconnected from the internet?
5th, With CumCrap Suckfinity being offered, will that has any affect at all?
It would be nice if ATT does sell off this area to another provider, but like always, the grass isn't greener, it's mostly browner mixed with some yellow.