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Comments on news posted 2012-03-21 12:52:05: Just about two years ago the FCC introduced our first ever national broadband plan. While designed to appear comprehensive and ambitious, I noted at the time that beyond the chocolate-flavored exterior lay a very hollow project. ..

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25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH

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Gov't FTTH

and lets assume; that you think the FCC should strip the current providers of their network and create an FTTH network at the cost of my tax money?

We have companies that compete and companies that will keep expanding. Just because we don't have a national FTTH network thanks to our Gov't doesn't mean we don't have anything.

nasadude

join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD

1 recommendation

the U.S. broadband plan is....

...to do what the incumbents want to do.

and what's the one thing incumbents absolutely do not want?

COMPETITION

ergo, there will be no competition unless we get a broadband plan that isn't dictated by the incumbents.

I predict this will not happen in my lifetime.


ArrayList
netbus developer
Premium
join:2005-03-19
Brighton, MA
reply to 25139889

Re: Gov't FTTH

What ISPs are competing? Prices are still rising. I don't think competition is occurring when that happens.


ArlynMosey

@ProcesosIRC.org
reply to 25139889
Well, you wouldn't have to build a national FTTH network to start addressing the problems. You could start by not letting ISPs buy state-level laws prohibiting towns and cities from wiring themselves. You could focus on getting open access fiber builds up and running in real problem areas using a combination of public/private funds and then allowing ISPs to layer in and compete. You could work on political reform to stop lobbyists from buying Congress. You could stop subsidizing mega-carriers for doing nothing. There's a universe of real reform that could happen, none of which actually is.


PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
reply to ArrayList
Oh, I've got excellent competition in my neighborhood! Comcast, Comcast, linksys, and Comcast!


Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC

1 recommendation

Forget public, private anything

The Government is not a business and everything they get involved with ends up twisted and corrupt. The ISP's would eat them alive.

flashcore

join:2007-01-23
united state
reply to PapaMidnight

Re: Gov't FTTH

I also have excellent competition in my neighborhood, Comcast linksys and FiOS. The only reasonably priced option is linksys (Free), the others the price goes up year after year with no end in sight but FiOS is still the better paid value for Internet.


VerizonSlave

@mellon.com

3 Mbps DSL!?!

I would love to have 3 Mbps DSL as the best I can get is 1.02 Mbps DSL for $24/month! The monopolies need to go!

patcat88

join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1

1 recommendation

private businesses always work best

Lets start by privatizing all police forces in the USA. You "subscribe" to a "plan" for 911 responses. If you dont subscribe to a private police force, the number 911 on your phone will forward to the local army base, and if a foreign national is involved, the army will respond, if not, your out of luck. It was your choice to not buy protection.

slynerve

join:2011-04-11
reply to 25139889

Re: Gov't FTTH

said by 25139889:

and lets assume; that you think the FCC should strip the current providers of their network and create an FTTH network at the cost of my tax money?

We have companies that compete and companies that will keep expanding. Just because we don't have a national FTTH network thanks to our Gov't doesn't mean we don't have anything.

You don't want your tax dollars going to create thousands if not millions of jobs and being invested in a much needed infrastructure overhaul?

No one is saying to take away already grounded infrastructure. But the fact is that this country needs something and the telcos and cable companies are unwilling to provide it. What exactly do you suggest we do when they stack the deck in their favor and have almost an unlimited amount of money to throw into the fray?

HiDesert

join:2008-08-17

Far from competitive

With our supreme court recently voting that corporations have person hood, or representation under the constitution like real living people; it puts legitimacy for the buying off of senators, spending millions to lobby etc.. Corrupt Oligopolies is what we have now. May be hard to prove, but definitely unwritten collusion is all over the wall.

In countries like France, one can get up to 100mb connections for far less then the states. Its what happens when you allow more competition into the mix. The fact is, under Pres. Reagan the Sherman antitrust act was thrown out. Corporations went to bed with the government and the consumer got screwed.
I'm sick of those that keep saying we have a free market. How is that free? When everything is slanted to benefit a tiny percentage. Nothing will change until the supreme court's ruling is overturned. Start enforcing the Sherman antitrust act once again and get big money out of politics.. That's a big order and probably won't happen until we have a total financial collapse like that of 1929. I'm pessimistic being the law makers are the ones that have to vote for change and they are the very ones benefiting from taking the money under the table. Only a complete meltdown of the financial markets would put pressure on the lawmakers to do the right thing. And that's exactly what they did in 1929.

gorehound

join:2009-06-19
Portland, ME
reply to 25139889

Re: Gov't FTTH

What Competition ?
Why are your Accounts Capped ?
Why are we seeing "Throttling" ?
Why are we charged a thousand times over per Gig of Extra Data we download ?

No the FCC is a joke.And our Government will not truly set things straight.They are all on the take and they all gladly take the Telcos Money.
FRAK YOU WASHINGTON !


FFH5
Premium
join:2002-03-03
Tavistock NJ
kudos:5

1 recommendation

reply to Corehhi

Re: Forget public, private anything

said by Corehhi:

The Government is not a business and everything they get involved with ends up twisted and corrupt. The ISP's would eat them alive.

Besides, the US has much higher priority needs for government dollars than building FTTH. Like a crumbling road infrastructure; & bridges; & sewer systems; etc. Start fixing those before making sure the citizens can get HD porn at lower prices.
--
The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
»www.politico.com/2012-election/



MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
kudos:1

Not great

Competition went out a long time ago, in areas not upgraded to FIOS or U-verse, dsl is no match for cable they simply can't compete.
I probably have the best competition market wise available, we have cablevision or FIOS, and they seem to for the moment be keeping each other from going to capped internet, also the speed war FIOS and Cablevision plays helps the speeds we get, but they don't compete on the most important aspect price, with the exception of promotional pricing to lure subscribers away from each other.

I know it's not going to happen, the US being in the political climate where Verizon and AT&T have bought congress, but a national FIOS network that each company could offer services on would really level the playing field and create more competition, it's also simply a more efficient and effective way to deploy broadband nationwide.


Duramax08
To The Moon
Premium
join:2008-08-03
San Antonio, TX
reply to FFH5

Re: Forget public, private anything

Screw the roads, we need our cheap high def 3d porn NOW!


LoudounVA

@exxonmobil.com

No Broadband Available

I'm one of the "non-Adopters", but not by choice.

I live in Loudoun county, Virginia - 50 miles from the White House. Broadband is not available in my neighborhood, as the 2 county providers, Comcast and verizon, choose to not wire my neighborhood. They both have agreements with the county that let them decide where to provide service and keep others from using the right-of-way for cabling. As a result, residents of third-world countries have better internet than I do. I drive my kids to a coffee shop to do their homework assignments that require internet.

What I want from the government to is remove and outlaw anything that restricts competition. No exclusive rights deals with government. No state laws preventing municipalities or cooperatives from providing broadband. No restrictions on who can use right-of-way to run cable. Wireless spectrum should be public and shared. Municipalities should be free to build networks and allow any and all providers to share them to provide service.

The government should not be in the internet business, nor should it subsidize it. However, government should also ensure that nothing can restrict free and open competition. Today, service providers have bought legislation that protects monopolies and eliminates competition.

jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA
reply to 25139889

Re: Gov't FTTH

Was this a question and a statement or what?


HaloFans

join:2006-12-18

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What? Our national broadband plan is fine!

With giant corporations laying down a reliable infrastructure servicing Americans, what appears to be the problem? Everyone has Internet right? You guys should be thanking these giant corporations for building infrastructures for you to use.

In fact, people should be writing letters to Congress stating their disapproval with local community fiber wiring projects and contempt at Google for implementing an anti-competitive infrastructure for home consumers. Why are people trying to solve a problem that's already been solved? Are you people anti-American?

America has the best Internet compared to its Canadian brethren and brothers in the polar north and south. Appreciate and pay more of your hard earned money to honor these beloved corporations for serving America proud. Bend over Americans and cheer for your corporate heroes!

brianiscool

join:2000-08-16
Tampa, FL
kudos:1

Thank you!

For the free router : ) Let me know when I can keep it after you're done with the broadband tests.

jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

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reply to LoudounVA

Re: No Broadband Available

Wow, and you live in the second richest county and one of the most affluent counties in the United States ( 2/3 of the top counties are found around DC area. Wow! »www.forbes.com/2011/04/11/americ···ton.html). Still, Loudoun County has a LOT of horse land...

Here's a quote from the above mentioned and year old article. There's a new article that shows the same data:
"Nearby Loudoun County, Va., used to be a sleepy rural community just a few decades ago, but in recent years it has become a technology center and a popular Washington suburb. It is now the second-richest county in the nation with median annual household income of $112,021. Another Washington county, Fairfax County, Va., rounds out the top three with annual median household income of $104,259. "

So you live in a technology center and have no broadband available? I'm guessing that you live on a ranch outside of a town.

jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA

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...and the previous year (2010) you were in the Wealthiest county in America. »agbeat.com/real-estate-news-even···america/

Here's the list in descending order:

Loudoun County, VA
Fairfax County, VA
Howard County, MD
Hunterdon County, NJ
Somerset County, NJ
Fairfax City, VA
Morris County, NJ
Douglas County, CO
Arlington County, VA
Montgomery County, MD
Nassau County, NY
Stafford County, VA
Calvert County, MD
Prince William County, VA
Putnam County, NY
Goochland County, VA
Williamson County, TN
Marin County, CA
Santa Clara County, CA
Forsyth County, GA
Charles County, MD
Summit County, UT
Alexandria City, VA
Chester County, PA
Suffolk County, NY

Oh here's the most recent data:
»www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/money/survey···a-021412

Loudoun County ranked first with a median household income of $119,000 a year. Fairfax County came in second with $103,000.
Several other D.C. suburbs followed:
#3 Howard County with 101,771,
#5 Arlington County with $94,986
#7 Stafford County with $94,317
#9 Prince William County with $92,655
#12 Montgomery County with $89,155
Three southern Maryland counties rounded out the list:
#13 Calvert County with $88,862
#14 St. Mary's County with $88,444
#15 Charles County with $87,007

Read more: »www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/money/survey···pmF4dshb

Telco

join:2008-12-19
reply to 25139889

Re: Gov't FTTH

The Aussies have got it right on this front. Much like interstates, their Federal government is building a wholesale FTTH network, which any carrier can use to resell a service.

This is the ONLY way we will ever bring competition to America. With FIOS and Uverse roll-outs effectively over, the vast majority of Americans are stuck at the whims of monopolies.

On a side note, it's also just laughable to read about the 100MB/s services offered in France and then see how little they pay for it. Reaganites truly screwed us up and put us years behind the rest of the world.

Republicans appoint their cronies into key positions in the FCC, FDA, USDA etc and then hamper their ability to do anything. But hey, at least we waste more on defense than the next 17 nations combined. What an achievement, considering it also has the lowest ROI of any tax dollar spent.

Telco

join:2008-12-19
reply to HiDesert

Re: Far from competitive

We have become a plutocratic oligarch nation, where our future is determined not by the people but whomever has been appointed to the SCOTUS and their political ideology.

In terms of getting screwed, it's no coincidence that during the 1929 Depression, 1987 recession, and now the devastating 2007 recession, congress was controlled by Republicans.

These people have always put lining the pockets of their masters over the best interests of America and 'We the People'.

Telco

join:2008-12-19
reply to HaloFans

Re: What? Our national broadband plan is fine!



Telco

join:2008-12-19
reply to gorehound

Re: Gov't FTTH

said by gorehound:

No the FCC is a joke.And our Government will not truly set things straight.They are all on the take and they all gladly take the Telcos Money.
FRAK YOU WASHINGTON !

FCC is not a joke, it's what you make it. The GOP has driven every and any government agency into the ground.

Why do you think there is significantly more competition in other big gov countries that were supposed to fail 50 years ago? Why do you think there are uniform wireless spectrum bands and cell phones cannot be locked down to one network? How about 5 to 10 broadband providers and wireless companies to choose from? Because they have consumer protection bodies like the one the GOP has killed and their government actually looks out for their citizens - 'We the People'.

Heck, why do you think GMO food is banned or must be indicated on the label in most other developed countries? Same deal with the pink slime used in our ground beef, where they do not even inform us of this.

No government means corporations and the few get to call the shots and that is indeed the America the Republicans want and envision.


coldmoon
Premium
join:2002-02-04
Broadway, NC
Reviews:
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reply to FFH5

Re: Forget public, private anything

said by FFH5:

said by Corehhi:

The Government is not a business and everything they get involved with ends up twisted and corrupt. The ISP's would eat them alive.

Besides, the US has much higher priority needs for government dollars than building FTTH. Like a crumbling road infrastructure; & bridges; & sewer systems; etc. Start fixing those before making sure the citizens can get HD porn at lower prices.

Trying to put this into the framework of a Hobson's choice is a major part of the problem and why nothing is getting done. I say do it all and then reap the rewards later...there is too much "i want my profit NOW!" going on when investors should stop being hyperactive and start focusing on the long term...
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Returnil - 21st Century body armor for your PC

wiid

join:2008-02-17
Outland
reply to Telco

Re: Gov't FTTH

said by Telco See ProfileReaganites truly screwed us up and put us years behind the rest of the world.

Republicans appoint their cronies into key positions in the FCC, FDA, USDA etc and then hamper their ability to do anything. But hey, at least we waste more on defense than the next 17 nations combined. What an achievement, considering it also has the lowest ROhI of any tax dollar spent.

It must be different on your planet. On my planet Mr. Hope and Change runs the party that controls our FCC.

In my reality Reagan was president before the internet or FCC regulation of it.


nothing00

join:2001-06-10
Centereach, NY
reply to jjeffeory

Re: No Broadband Available

Goochland? Really?

25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to ArlynMosey

Re: Gov't FTTH

what problems? You have choices for broadband; Lets see; Comcast TWC, WOW! RCN, Cablevision, ViaSat, U-Versee/ATT, and many other indies that this site is always raving about- Sonic.net where they're pulling a Sprint and trying to build 2 networks.

And Cities should NOT wire themselves. They are there to PROTECT not to profit off people. Cities and towns go out and start shopping for bonds that takes YEARS AND YEARS to pay off and are STILL in debt. That bond money should be going to pay for services the people NEED that the city provides; maybe a new fire truck or 2, new police cars, new EMSes, should i go on?

And why should the gov't step in? Private companies fill the caps as needed and where needed. And people are free to start their own ISP.

25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to ArrayList
ya and so does the cost of milk but you don't see anyone asking the gov't to step in about that.