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Comments on news posted 2012-03-28 16:25:02: After we'd scooped early details on the project in 2010, Verizon earlier this month officially unveiled their new "HomeFusion" fixed residential LTE service. ..

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45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
reply to iFail 5G

Re: A 10 GB cap? What a joke.

Hahaha.

Is this really what conservatives think city life is like?

This explains everything.


cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27

Whoa...

Well, this is great news for Dialup users... I mean, snappy.
As long as they think they still have dialup (caps...). Still cheaper than Dish (networking) and no latency. Sign me and my cabin up! (get 5 bars up in the Adirondack with VZW so...)

but....

Lemme see, Windows 7 updates monthly (as long as no service pack at 1GIG is involved), AV updates, patches, program updates (and don't for get App downloads)... and that is just ONE PC, not the other laptop, the Xbox (average 700Meg d/l per DLC, demos...) ...

So, anyone care to post just exactly how much bandwidth:
-does a Netflix movie/show stream use
-does an xbox Mulitplayer game session use (2 hours average)
-does an xbox monthly use consume (gaming, not Video apps)
-does an Windows 7 computer consume (updates, patches, programs, AV, email, web browsing, uploads to eBay...)
-appliance use (HDTV, firmware, apps, Roku...)
...

BTW, Verizon (I HIGHLY suspect) has done the metrics on data use (we gave them it) and just like cellphone data use (some never use more than 450 mins but never less than 390min so we'll make lowest charge 400min with 750min the next minutes bucket) they know where to "show me da money".
Like a crack dealer, give them more at first to hook'em then throw a premium when they DO go over (and by 1/6 what they would be allocated).
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biochemistry
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92361

Caps should be doubled.

I'll continue to use my capless Verizon LTE mobile hotspot thank you.


FFH5
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Tavistock NJ
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reply to mythology

Re: A 10 GB cap? What a joke.

said by mythology:

I know some peeps that gotta use their phone for home broadband access. They would love to have this even with the caps. Tho 12mbit will eat up 10gb in no time streaming.

Then don't do streaming. The users of this will just be happy to have fast web browsing and software updates and ability to upload some occasional pics to relatives.
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»www.politico.com/2012-election/


Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
reply to iFail 5G
said by iFail 5G:

said by Kamus:

said by iFail 5G:

Ill take the 10GB cap for usable service any day

That doesn't make it any less of a joke though.

No, it doesn't. Its still ridiculous, and overpriced.

Not just overpriced, Verizon is charging at least 5 times what they should for an overage. If this is the result of de-regulation then we really need more regulation of companies like Verizon just to protect consumers.

chances14

join:2010-03-03
Michigan
reply to 45612019
nice rebuttal

pull out the politics card

since when are conservatives the only ones who live in rural areas anyways?

Kearnstd
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Mullica Hill, NJ
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reply to 45612019
I'll take the burbs over middle of nowhere and crappy wireless broadband.

Middle of nowhere might be a nice place for a vacation, but forget living there. here in the burbs I have fast internet and I know my road will get plowed with in hours of a snow fall instead of weeks.
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45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
reply to chances14
That post was unworthy of a rebuttal.

The minute someone starts harping about the government and stereotyping any civilized area as being some gang war shootout zone you know you're dealing with a conservative.


45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
reply to Sammer
Five times? Try 500 times.

If you believe Verizon is paying anything more than an average of 2 cents/gig for Internet traffic then you've been brainwashed.


45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
reply to Kearnstd
This. The burbs exist for a reason. Gives you some civilization without having people stacked on top of you.

Eek2121

join:2002-10-12
Newton, NJ

Ordering it...

How do you order it? I don't see anything on their site...


Bill Neilson
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join:2009-07-08
Arlington, VA

And the price per GB over will increase

since....hey, who will stop them?

rebus9

join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay
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reply to Duramax08

Re: "5 gallon paint bucket"?

said by Duramax08:

Holy s**t, thats quite large to have on the side of your house or roof.

It's where you can stash all the dollars you'll need for paying those huge overage bills.

rebus9

join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay
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reply to iFail 5G

Re: A 10 GB cap? What a joke.

said by iFail 5G:

With satellite I was never even able to hit 6 gig's in a month because its been so poor. So I can gladly watch my usage for 10GB and usable service lol.

So it's no mystery why VZ is deploying this in rural areas first.

Where else in the country can they charge high dollars for low caps, and get no push-back from users? Answer-- in areas where people are desperate for ANYTHING useable.

In the desert, you can charge any price for water.....


dennismurphy
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join:2002-11-19
Parsippany, NJ
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reply to 45612019
said by 45612019:

Five times? Try 500 times.

If you believe Verizon is paying anything more than an average of 2 cents/gig for Internet traffic then you've been brainwashed.

... Because base stations are free, right?


EvelKub
Kitty is crazy
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join:2002-03-17
Mesa, AZ
reply to 45612019
Consider how many towers must be installed in rural areas for this to work... The cost for the tower, antennas, cabinets, land, the cost for electricity, fiber runs and maintenance...

Now consider the number of people which will be served by each tower, which won't cover more than a 50 mile area. Each will likely opt for the lower package, as this is considered a luxury to most country-folk.

How long of a time-frame is okay in your mind for them to take to recover their initial investments?


45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY

1 recommendation

reply to dennismurphy
No. They're paid for by having numerous subscribers forking out $60 or more a month for service.

Implementing low bandwidth caps with high overage fees is completely unnecessary to recoup deployment costs. That's what the subscriber fee is for. Vastly marked up bandwidth overage fees are just an opportunity to price gouge the consumer.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2
reply to rebus9
And the problem with providing service that's better than the competition in an area that's underserved is...?

iansltx

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reply to 45612019
Have you been on an overcrowded (non-D3) cable node? If VZW had unlimited data on LTE, that's what it would feel like. They have 22MHz of spectrum, and you can only pack in ~71 Mbps of capacity on that.

$10 per GB for fixed service is definitely overpriced. However data centers charge 10 cents per GB for overage bandwidth...to say that $10 per GB is overpriced by a factor of 500 is uninformed.

rebus9

join:2002-03-26
Tampa Bay
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reply to iansltx
said by iansltx:

And the problem with providing service that's better than the competition in an area that's underserved is...?

You missed the point, which is, they chose areas where they can do the most price gouging with the least amount of push-back. And there will be little push-back because rural areas are desperate. Desperate for anything, even if the price is obscene.

Like I said, in the desert you can charge any price for water.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
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reply to Bill Neilson

Re: And the price per GB over will increase

Competition. ViaSat Exede charges $8 per GB (or throttles once you hit your cap). HughesNet will be charging less per GB as well once Gen4 comes out.

Seriously, has anyone increased their overage penalties per GB on wireless internet, once they've instituted caps in the first place?


OSUGoose

join:2007-12-27
Columbus, OH

Asurion?

To my knoledge they only Insured the stuff, since when do they install it?

Why not farm this out to those of us in the Sat Install Biz, since you know we have experience in installing big attennas outdoors. I can allready see this getting added as a bundling with DirecTV just like we were with DirecWAY now HugesNet.

fiberguy
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1 recommendation

reply to mythology

Re: A 10 GB cap? What a joke.

said by mythology:

I know some peeps that gotta use their phone for home broadband access. They would love to have this even with the caps. Tho 12mbit will eat up 10gb in no time streaming.

Then don't stream..

fiberguy
My views are my own.
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reply to rebus9
said by rebus9:

said by iansltx:

And the problem with providing service that's better than the competition in an area that's underserved is...?

You missed the point, which is, they chose areas where they can do the most price gouging with the least amount of push-back. And there will be little push-back because rural areas are desperate. Desperate for anything, even if the price is obscene.

Like I said, in the desert you can charge any price for water.

He didn't miss the point at all... you did.

You're entire premise as to why is completely wrong.. and rather just whining. If this service had been deployed in an affluent area they'd be charged with cherry-picking.

The service is designed for rural areas with little options. I'm sorry their rationality on this doesn't suit your personal agenda. You need to get real.

This argument you make reminds me of accountants.. they master the art of taking any thing and making it be what you want.. just like this argument.


45612019

join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
reply to iansltx
Yes. I have been. And it was fine.

I'd rather my connection drop down to half its speed during peak hours than be artificially limited to only using it for a tiny fraction of my billing period.

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1
reply to iFail 5G
said by iFail 5G:

said by 45612019:

I like how Verizon is deploying this pointless shit instead of continuing to build a real broadband network like FiOS.

You can download more than 10 gigabytes in a month on dial up.

This isn't broadband. This is an abomination.

Clearly you have never lived in a rural area. Here in Birmingham where this is also one of their first markets for home fusion, a lot of rural areas can't even get LANDLINES. So the only option is is satellite which is horrible. This at least I pull down over 50mbit/s constantly.

Ill take the 10GB cap for usable service any day

So wait, you actually have the service and get 50 mbit/s?


skeechan
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Better than dialup...

...but not much else.

fiberguy
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1 recommendation

reply to 45612019

Re: A 10 GB cap? What a joke.

said by 45612019:

No. They're paid for by having numerous subscribers forking out $60 or more a month for service.

Implementing low bandwidth caps with high overage fees is completely unnecessary to recoup deployment costs. That's what the subscriber fee is for. Vastly marked up bandwidth overage fees are just an opportunity to price gouge the consumer.

Have you ever run a company? .. it sure doesn't sound like it. According to you, the activist however, anything that doesn't fit your agenda by any company is going to be foul.

Towers, power, backhaul, employees, workmans comp, insurance (health and liability) taxes of all sorts, advertising, customer service, installation expenses, maintenance, the data itself, government affairs, the cost of spectrum, fuel, vehicle maintenance, the list goes on.. those are expenses.. and as someone that DOES run a business I can tell you that arguments that people like you make just irritate the hell out of me. You think you have it all figured out.. you think it's all about bandwidth. Oh, and they are allowed to make a profit too.

Now please, go on to tell me how all the stuff I mentioned above has nothing to do with the cost of providing the service, for one reason or another.

I don't know where you people get these figures and formulas you come up with to justify your position, but you're FAR FAR FAR off the mark most of the time.

But yea.. it's all about punitive caps and overages so they can gouge the consumer.

fiberguy
My views are my own.
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reply to 45612019
The only thing I can agree with you, so far, is that the way they impose the caps is a bit off the mark to me. They should only need to throttle or over-chage during peak times or on a "smart management" sort of system. Such as once you hit your ceiling and it's peak, then that usage could be charged as a "premium" rate in order to encourage the user to utilize the network during off peak or overnight hours when possible.

Outside of that, you're still way off.

sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1
reply to iansltx
said by iansltx:

Have you been on an overcrowded (non-D3) cable node? If VZW had unlimited data on LTE, that's what it would feel like. They have 22MHz of spectrum, and you can only pack in ~71 Mbps of capacity on that.

$10 per GB for fixed service is definitely overpriced. However data centers charge 10 cents per GB for overage bandwidth...to say that $10 per GB is overpriced by a factor of 500 is uninformed.

Do you know how they deal with unlimited 3G smartphone users? They throttle speeds when towers are congested.

Okay Ian, let's see these paltry caps are necessary. Then why doesn't Verizon offer unlimited off-peak hours? Say between 12 AM and 8 AM? No one's even awake at the time. Ultra congested satellite offers FAP free during those hours as well.