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Comments on news posted 2012-04-02 09:02:59: This user in our forums apparently decided that Verizon's fastest FiOS offering (150 Mbps downstream, 35 Mbps upstream) wasn't quite fast enough, so he purchased two-such connections in order to obtain downstream speeds in excess of 300 Mbps. ..

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tmh

@verizon.net

For what purpose?

Okay, I have to ask:

What on earth is anyone doing with a 300/130 pipe on a home server?

FutureMon
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Re: For what purpose?

WoW for him and his 10 friends...

- FM

submrge

join:2004-10-10
Brooklyn, NY

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illegal movie torrents and a lot of porn
AnonShawUser

join:2006-06-17
Calgary, AB

Re: For what purpose?

you have it wrong. It's for illegal PORN torrents, and lots of movies (to obfuscate the data some)

Kompressor
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Huntington Beach, CA
said by tmh :

Okay, I have to ask:

What on earth is anyone doing with a 300/130 pipe on a home server?

Just because you only browse web pages and don't need that speed doesn't mean everyone is like you.

I myself extend my LAN to other remote locations via VPN and that kind of bandwidth is very useful.

A 100/100 connection should be standard these days with no tiers.

FFH
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Why?

I have a question - Why? What do you need all that bandwidth for. In the forum it is mentioned that everything being watched on TV is recorded. It seems like a lot of money unless you are running a business.

bbeesley
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Re: Why?

said by FFH:

I have a question - Why?

I think the most accurate answer is, "because he can"

TF2_Dude

@comcast.net

Re: Why?

Most people who tend to ask why only do so because they can't get it, can't afford it, or both. It is always an issue with being jealous.

viperpa33s
Why Me?
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Re: Why?

said by TF2_Dude :

Most people who tend to ask why only do so because they can't get it, can't afford it, or both. It is always an issue with being jealous.

It's not about jealousy, it's about being practical. Why would I be jealous about someone paying $400 a month for residential internet service? I would think the person is crazy rather than being an innovator. To each his own.

michieru
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Re: Why?

If you think about it though he is getting a killer deal considering most businesses pay that same price for just a T1 from AT&T.
elray

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said by bbeesley:

said by FFH:

I have a question - Why?

I think the most accurate answer is, "because he can"

More like, he's running a "business" from his house, one heavily dependent on bandwidth.
NYC Girl
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said by bbeesley:

said by FFH:

I have a question - Why?

I think the most accurate answer is, "because he can"

It's his $$$. Enjoy!!!

ArrayList
netbus developer
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Re: Why?

finally, the voice of reason.
NYC Girl
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Re: Why?

said by ArrayList:

finally, the voice of reason.

;)
openbox9
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My guess is the upload is the important piece. Perhaps graphics work or media compiled/rendered and then uploaded? Or perhaps money is no object?

Ben
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said by FFH:

Why?

     Running a server that has a great deal of traffic is another possibility that hasn't yet been mentioned.

     Even with business class FIOS, the SLA wouldn't be as good as you could get at a web hosting company, but bonding two FIOS connections is significantly cheaper.

     It's possible that in his case, the cost-benefit analysis isn't worth it for him to spend significantly more money for a better SLA.

     If you look at Softlayer's web site, just click on any of the servers for sale, scroll down to the bandwidth and uplink port options, and you will see what I mean about it being significantly more expensive.

     Also, I've seen him post before.  If I recall correctly, he works at a datacenter and as a result of his job, gets access to some resources as a benefit of his job.  This is much in the same way a restaurant may offer free food to it's employees, or a retailer may offer employee discounts.  This enables him to bond two connections, an option that for most people, would be cost prohibitive.

clickwir

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To be honest, that is their own business. "Why" is a bit of an inappropriate question.

djdanska
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said by FFH:

I have a question - Why? What do you need all that bandwidth for. In the forum it is mentioned that everything being watched on TV is recorded. It seems like a lot of money unless you are running a business.

To show off his big epenis?

battleop

join:2005-09-28
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Re: Why?

That's pretty much why.

Anonymous_
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said by djdanska:

said by FFH:

I have a question - Why? What do you need all that bandwidth for. In the forum it is mentioned that everything being watched on TV is recorded. It seems like a lot of money unless you are running a business.

To show off his big epenis?

he probably has a small one in real life and it makes up for it. lol

30/5 is perfect for multiple users
Mahalo

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Here is the conversation on the FiOS thread.
»Dual 155/75
Somewhat answers why.

PapaMidnight

join:2009-01-13
Baltimore, MD
said by FFH:

I have a question - Why? What do you need all that bandwidth for.

I have a question: Why Not?
Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX
said by FFH:

I have a question - Why? What do you need all that bandwidth for. In the forum it is mentioned that everything being watched on TV is recorded. It seems like a lot of money unless you are running a business.

Short answer: Because he can.
Long one:
If technology comes within reach, there's people that will get it.

It's the same reason people buy $500+ videocards (even though there's like no games to take advantage of it) and the same reason people buy sports cars.

The one area people are very limited to what they can get even though the technology is there is speedy internet connections.
If people could buy a 10g fiber connection in the same way they can spend 2000 dollars on quad video cards they would do it.

But of course as it turns out, we're at the mercy of ISP's because they're the ones with permission to run cables outside your house.

Questions like yours always remind me of how limited people's imagination actually is.
If you wonder things like: "what would he do with so much speed!" you have to remember that just because YOU can't think of an application, it doesn't mean there'd be a lot of applications for it.

And the only reason that applications like that don't exist yet is because we don't have those speeds.

coldmoon
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Interesting, but expensive...

quote:
... Interestingly, he's seeing around 130 Mbps in upstream throughput in speed tests.
Could this be an indication of a bug in the way the ISP monitors and controls the upload bandwidth? It would be interesting to get a possible technical explanation as to why this would happen...
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Thinkdiff
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Re: Interesting, but expensive...

The FiOS 150/35 tier is actually capped around 150/65.

65 x 2 = 130.
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ilianame

join:2002-06-05
Burnaby, BC
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Re: Interesting, but expensive...

I was getting 3x upload speed through VPN (when configured with compression) .... but for text (compressible) files only.

quetwo
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Not quite how it works...

Unless he has Verizon's partnership, he won't get 300Mbps down on anything. Verizon has to bond the connections (aka load-balance), or data will only come in the route that requested it. Sure, he could load-balance the requests on his side, but he won't ever see more than 150 Mbps on one download.

Same theory when people "shotgunned" connections to the internet back in the dial-up days. ISPs that actually supported shotgunning (like NetCom) let you get "56k x 2", where others were "56k, but two connections". There was a difference.

Oh, and software routing is /slow/. He'd be much better off getting a used Juniper / Extreme / Cisco router that can do basic routing and NAT in ASICs.

Thinkdiff
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Re: Not quite how it works...

said by quetwo:

Unless he has Verizon's partnership, he won't get 300Mbps down on anything. Verizon has to bond the connections (aka load-balance), or data will only come in the route that requested it. Sure, he could load-balance the requests on his side, but he won't ever see more than 150 Mbps on one download.

Not entirely true. He's using VPN bonding in a round robin configuration. I'm using a similar method (albeit over a single connection so that one download is actually equal to two connections - improves my download speeds at long distances).

You just need a VPN server and client that are setup with the same configuration. The server round robins the packets across the two separate tunnels and the client re-sequences them on the receiving side. Voila.. 300Mbps on a single download (theoretically).
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openbox9
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Hosted server, VPN, and MLPPP solves the problem.

fifty nine

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Re: Not quite how it works...

Just makes it even more impractical, and turns this from "Why?" into "WTF?"

Most home users really don't need more than about 10Mbps anyway. Sure it's fun to have 400Mbps in your home but content delivery technology and compression is getting better by the day negating the need for super fast connections.
openbox9
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Re: Not quite how it works...

I agree. When I was young and single, I actually contemplated a similar configuration using cable and DSL connections. It was more about bragging rights than anything. The bang for the buck wasn't sufficient for me so I dropped the idea.
Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
said by fifty nine:

Most home users really don't need more than about 10Mbps anyway.

Can we fix this and say "fifty nine doesnt really need more than about 10Mbps anyway"?

That would be the correct way to post your personal need instead of trying to state fact for the greater population of internet users.

Or if you want to state your opinion for the world, then begin it with In my opinion.....

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Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA

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said by fifty nine:

Just makes it even more impractical, and turns this from "Why?" into "WTF?"

Most home users really don't need more than about 10Mbps anyway.

Maybe not today but what about in the near future. There are some medical applications being developed that are going to use a lot of bandwidth. It's going to be hard to say it's not needed when it could save your life.
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA
Oye, 10Mbps? REALLY?
I guess it depends on how many people are using that single connection. I'd say 16Mbps would be the more reasonable number.

tenpin784
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said by quetwo:

Unless he has Verizon's partnership, he won't get 300Mbps down on anything. Verizon has to bond the connections (aka load-balance), or data will only come in the route that requested it. Sure, he could load-balance the requests on his side, but he won't ever see more than 150 Mbps on one download.

Same theory when people "shotgunned" connections to the internet back in the dial-up days. ISPs that actually supported shotgunning (like NetCom) let you get "56k x 2", where others were "56k, but two connections". There was a difference.

Oh, and software routing is /slow/. He'd be much better off getting a used Juniper / Extreme / Cisco router that can do basic routing and NAT in ASICs.

If he uses a download manager and initiate multiple connections, he can get it. Some speedtest.net sites use multiple connections as well, hence how he got 300+ on the download.

Not to mention bittorrent and news sites use multiple connections as well, which he could round robin outbound so the requests come back over both links as well.

This is what I used to do with multiple connections, first starting with DD-WRT and moving on to Linux.
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watice

join:2008-11-01
New York, NY

Re: Not quite how it works...

actually, the requests come back over one link, via a VPN, hence the 300mbit download speed. his posts explain a lot better, and thinkdiff mentions it above as well. Cool stuff.
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA
Thanks for pointing out the bonding issue...
serge87

join:2009-11-29

?

"ISP News"?

swhitney2003
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Re: ?

said by serge87:

"ISP News"?

I was thinking the same thing.

Cheese
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This isn't about ISP and BB?

Camaro
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Who cares

How about rolling out more fiber instead of offering a product to your existing cherry picked customers/business base for a product that prob. won't be needed for a little awhile.

Off the top of my head HD 3D remote microsurgery needs the most bandwidth I have ever seen unless someone can give another example,anyways they don't even come close to using that much bandwidth.

And like bbeesly said just because, and I think they also want to have the biggest dick to brag about lol.
brianiscool

join:2000-08-16
Tampa, FL
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Pointless

You are better off renting a dedicated server or co-locating a server. What a waste of money.

MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
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Good for him

Money must be no object for this user, if he can afford it good for him, I have a 25/25 FIOS connection and while I can max out the connection if I'm running a lot of downloads and streaming multiple netflix HD streams and working over my work vpn, currently doing all three and my connection is running at about 25 - 30mbit/s
FIOS really seems to provide a very high quality of service, much better than cable ever provided, no matter how much load i put on the connection, netflix doesn't skip, my voip line doesn't skip a beat, and I'm a very heavy user, using TB's not GB's of data a month even I can't see a need for more than their top tier service.

Anonymous_
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Re: Good for him

said by MovieLover76:

FIOS really seems to provide a very high quality of service, much better than cable ever provided, no matter how much load i put on the connection, netflix doesn't skip, my voip line doesn't skip a beat.

That is not ture I can get 30mbps from Los Angeles to New York

on the 30mbps cable line







The latency has improved big time also from 125ms
to 84ms(to dslr) back to were it was in 2004

N10Cities
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Burying the needle..

Maybe he just likes pegging the needle on Speedtest.net...

MovieLover76

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Re: Burying the needle..

Haha true, though technically you could already do that with the 150 service
nanaki333

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i did a similar thing

back when 50 was the top tier, and cox had 50, i ordered a line from each and had a combined 100Mb (110Mb with speedboost). problem was... you can't do a true bond with it. you'll only get the max transfer rate of 1 line per download. i just have the 150Mb fios now.... but the upload actually tops out at 65Mb
wolfy339

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Math Check

I am wondering where Karl is getting 450Mb/s combined and 130Mb/s upload as, using the other figures in the article here's how my math works:

(150*2)+(35*2)
=300+70
=370
 

For 70Mb/s upload and a combined total of 370Mb/s. This is a difference of 80Mb/s total, 60Mb/s of that difference comes from upload

450-370=80
130-70=60
 

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I don't need a line that fast

Comcast offers 105/10 where I am at but I am happy with either Extreme 50 or Blast. I think I am going to go back to blast when I break my triple play (because I am switching the phone over to Verizon Wireline to accomodate the new security system because my alarm company is not a big fan of VoIP) and I am going to loose the bundle discounts so I think I am just going to get the digital preferred and the blast internet.
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ConstantineM

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anyone bonded AT&T's BPON?

Anyone knows if it's possible to have two AT&T U-verse BPON ONTs at a given residential location? I have 18/1.5, which is the fastest they offer over BPON. Curious if they can install another ONT, then I'll have a whooping 36/3.0 through a VPN. Wow, 3.0 upload over BPON. And before you ask, that's in Mbps, Megabits per second. Stupid AT&T wasting their BPON.

I wonder if AT&T already offers 18/1.5 over GPON, too. ;-)

ctceo
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Same Reason

For the same reason a 56k user "Shotgunned" 2 modems or I multi-wanned 2 DSL modems back in the day when 1.5 whas the fastest you could get or an old client of mine multi-wanned 4 t1's or another multi wanned 2 comcast connections

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Dream Killer
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er

i think the user has 2x 150/75 plans not 150/35 plans, hence the upload speed.
original thread: »Dual 155/75
tennisman94

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Re: er

said by Dream Killer:

i think the user has 2x 150/75 plans not 150/35 plans, hence the upload speed.
original thread: »Dual 155/75

The plan is advertised as 150/35, but provisioned at 155/75. Apparently much of this provisioning is done manually, as one user at one point was provisioned erroneously for 75/155

Dream Killer
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Re: er

clears up my confusion, thanks.

David
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thoughts.

1.) Why?
2.) should get a nice share ratio with bit-torrent
3.) netflix, vudu, and hulu all in HD. with plenty of room for bittorrent
4.) rent your connection out... make some money back..
5.) be your own webhost?

Jon
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Retarded

Who the hell uses 20TB of data a month? Someone needs to go outside once in a while.

RedCaliSS
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different strokes for... ...

you've all heard the saying, different strokes for different folks, whatever trips your trigger.. if this user wishes to spend that monthly fee it's his right as an American. Who are we to say what he can and can't spend his own hard earned money on. I choose to, well I just dropped $10,000 on a new 475hp engine for my 02 Camaro SS, then another $6000 on a transmission and bigger better rear end. Thats my choice, as is this persons choice to spend that monthly fee on a uber fast internet connection.
would I ? no, hell no, i'm more then happy with my 25/25 FIOS connection.
I'm old school, I still have an old 300baud phone craddle modem from way back when so a 25/25 connection is screaming fast for me because I remember being able to go have a quickie with the ole lady while a simple web paged loaded.
mrexcelion

join:2008-08-06

Google Fiber

Whenever 2013 rolls around, people with 1Gbps Google Fiber in Kansas City will blow this guy away lol. Though what this guy did is cool.
tmc8080

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six strikes

he can go through his 6 strikes in a about 6 seconds and have his accounts terminted, and a Comcast cap in about 2 hours...

well, still remains to be seen..

Verizon isn't keen to get into a broadband war with any Cableco considering the truce with Comcast. Still, consider what that bandwith is and isn't... around 37.5 Megabytes a second hard drives push/pull much more data than that w/o breaking a sweat these days.