 skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
join:2012-01-26
AA169|170
kudos:2 | reply to zoom314
Re: How Long Before AT&T Does The Same Thing? No dry loop DSLx with AT&T, at least in California. You have to have AT&T voice to get DSLx here. |
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skeechanAi OtsukaholicPremium
join:2012-01-26
AA169|170
kudos:2 Reviews:
 ·Cox HSI
 ·Clear Wireless
| Wouldn't be SO bad... ...if the TAXES and JUNK FEES weren't as much as the local voice service cost. In my area the AT&T local service is $10 (at least when I last checked) but between junk fees, USF, 9-1-1 fees and outrageous taxes it was nearly $20 when all was said and done. |
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 PeteC2Got Mouse?Premium,MVM
join:2002-01-20
Bristol, CT
kudos:6
·Comcast
 ·AT&T Yahoo
| Bundling is not evil...unless it is forced To me, it is only the "forced" bundling that represents poor product choice.
I maintain a landline because cell service where I live (not all over-just near my place!) is sketchy at best. I recently moved from AT&T voice/dsl to Comcast voice/internet.
Why? For practically the same cost for a 6Mbps (5Mbps in reality) line and phone, I am getting a 15Mbps (24 with speedboost) line and phone... (we already get cable tv free through a bulk contract with my landlord in a large apartment complex)
In my area, the only way dsl can be competitive with cable is to be an absolute cost-leader...offering dsl to those who need a rock bottom good price. This is the one price tier where AT&T still holds a competitive edge. If AT&T mandates having POTS to get internet, that would destroy that option and make dsl truly obsolete.
PS - I am not talking about Uverse, though when we looked into their local offerings it was not that good a deal.
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 r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX
·row44
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T DSL Service
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Re: Makes the cable company happy said by MovieLover76:I wouldn't move into an apartment that forced me to use one service, I know it is legal but I'm not sure why it seems that it should be illegal to me.
If it was Verizon FIOS I'd probably make an exception because that's my current service and it's great.
Good luck with finding that.
Originally the apartment cable was cheaper than anyone else. The cable internet always sucked, but you could get ATT dsl so that was not an issue.
Now that ATT has caps, I am screwed no matter what.
$100 a month for cable is insane, so my only option would be a dish.
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 EricthornIt only hurts when I laughPremium
join:2001-08-10
Paragould, AR | reply to r81984
We have to pay 24.95 for basic cable (btw I live in a house - our whole town is subjected to this) in order to get internet. Our internet is 62.95/mo for a 4mb/1mb connection, and that is what they call their 'business' class. It's one of the worst services and pricing in the area, but we like our house and the location, so we deal with it.
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BiggA
join:2005-11-23
EARTH Reviews:
·Comcast
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Re: This is Bob Elek with Verizon. All smartphones from the last 5+ years are Wifi capable. T-Mobile does it this way, and it's one of the few high points of their otherwise lousy service and network.
I'm not making the argument that $3/mo would support plant maintenance. I'm just saying that Ooma is the competition, and that's what the telcos have to deal with. Really, the fact of the matter is that voice service is nearly fully commoditized, and the commoditized price is near $0. As a result, they need to do internet and TV, since internet is the fundamental pipe, and usually duopoly, and TV still has good margins. In order to effectively do that, they need FTTH. |
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| Contact your State Regulatory Commission I recommend people contact their state's regulatory commission about this practice. It is forcing people to purchase a service they do not want.
If enough people complain, they might wake up. |
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BiggA
join:2005-11-23
EARTH Reviews:
·Comcast
| reply to CXM_Splicer
Re: I got the e-mail today We're getting close to the physical limits of the capacity of spectrum.
Yeah, if you do a DAS with antennas every couple of houses, of course it will work, but at that point, why not just plug the houses actually in? And also, if you're rolling out that much gear, why bother with licensed spectrum, you could just use 802.11n, which is capable of at least 80mbps.
FIOS is not wireless. The video is QAM just like cable, and runs over existing coax, and the internet runs over MoCA on the QAM to a router that than does wifi, just like any other home router. |
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 DC DSLThere's a reason I'm Command.Premium
join:2000-07-30
Washington, DC
kudos:2
·Covad Communicat..
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to BiggA
Re: This is Bob Elek with Verizon. You are again making the erroneous assumption that everyone has a smartphone. Many people don't. Even those that do have them do not universally have a voip client.
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
join:2011-08-11
NYC
kudos:1 | reply to BiggA
Re: I got the e-mail today »Verizon Wants Full Wireless For In-Home FiOS
From what I hear, they are testing the equipment as we speak. |
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BiggA
join:2005-11-23
EARTH | reply to DC DSL
Re: This is Bob Elek with Verizon. If they're not advanced enough to have a smartphone, they probably aren't the type of user who would care. If it's really that big of a deal, then offer both. |
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BiggA
join:2005-11-23
EARTH | reply to CXM_Splicer
Re: I got the e-mail today They're testing. Whether anything actually works or not is another issue. At that sort of bandwidth, it is unlikely to work. |
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DC DSLThere's a reason I'm Command.Premium
join:2000-07-30
Washington, DC
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Covad Communicat..
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to BiggA
Re: This is Bob Elek with Verizon. Not everyone has need of a smartphone, and it is not acceptable to brand them as "not advanced enough." Some indeed are but, believe it or not, many people still use phones primarily to talk; some only want occasional Internet access on the go. I happen to be one of those folks, and I am certainly not a Luddite or unsophisticated user. I could see a femto as handy when I am home and calls come in on it when I'm at home during peak, but only if it didn't use minutes. VZ, of course, just can't shake the ILEC mindset that a phone is black and hardwired to the wall, and will continue to miss the mark when it comes to understanding they need to be giving consumers what they want at prices they consider acceptable.
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PX EliezerPremium
join:2008-08-09
Hutt River
kudos:13 Reviews:
 ·callwithus
·voip.ms
·Optimum Voice
·Vitelity VOIP
·Gizmo5
| said by DC DSL:Not everyone has need of a smartphone, and it is not acceptable to brand them as "not advanced enough." Some indeed are but, believe it or not, many people still use phones primarily to talk; some only want occasional Internet access on the go.
Exactly.
I have over 16,000 posts on this website, and probably 10,000 of them deal with VoIP. My business and my home both use advanced VoIP services.
Yet I do NOT have a smartphone, I have no particular need for a smartphone. In fact, many of the people who do have smartphones are not so smart.
My cell phone is a refurbished Motorola W385 which was dirt cheap. My cellular service costs me about $ 7 a month using the Verizon network through PagePlus. Yes, $ 7 a month which makes me smarter than some of those smartphone users.
It is precisely because I am so heavily into VoIP that I have no use/need/interest in smartphones. |
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PX EliezerPremium
join:2008-08-09
Hutt River
kudos:13 Reviews:
·callwithus
·voip.ms
·Optimum Voice
·Vitelity VOIP
·Gizmo5
| reply to BiggA
said by BiggA:I'm just saying that Ooma is the competition, and that's what the telcos have to deal with.
Ooma is a relatively small and relatively stagnant player.
Tens of millions of people have gone with cable company phone services like Comcast Digital Voice, Optimum Voice, etc. A few million more have gone with Vonage. Many businesses use Skype especially for international calling.
Then there are many independent VoIP providers, especially in the business market....Paetec, Vocalocity, 8x8, Junction Networks, CallCentric, many others.
Yes, it's a tough market. And many young people go cellular only for their personal use.
But VoIP is a big factor, and VoIP continues to grow as POTS declines. |
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cybah
join:2000-03-09
Chelsea, MA | reply to BiggA
Re: Comcast is the same I did a cost analysis of Comcast a few years ago for a job...
The cost for basic cable vs the fee they charge if you dont have TV service is the same (I think NOT having TV is a buck more).
They do this not only as a money grab but it saves them $ because a tech doesn't have to come out to your house to put a filter on your line to block out the TV if you ONLY subscribe to internet service.
Its the same way with Phone Service. I have everything they offer and its cheaper for me to KEEP the phone then not to have it. (essentially the phone works out to be free..) |
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | Texas and Florida Only, according to McAdam's office I was advised today by the spokeshole in the Executive Response Team that the dry loop cessation applies ONLY in Texas and Florida, and especially not California. Coincidentally, those states are on the leading edge to remove universal service. |
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| Not so sure about that...I live in Maryland and still got the notice. |
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BiggA
join:2005-11-23
EARTH Reviews:
·Comcast
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Re: This is Bob Elek with Verizon. Verizon is a landline company. Cellco partnership is partially owned by them. Smartphones are the way of the present, and the future. By and large, people who actually use their phones have smartphones. Femtocells and Wifi callilng are for coverage at the moment, not capacity offload.
Well, even if the masses haven't figured it out yet, Ooma has set the price for home phone service at $0 plus taxes and fees.
No one I know is going to have a landline after college. They will be 100% cell. Some of them won't have cable, although I suspect they'll be missing that pretty quick.
I think VOIP will ultimately be big for business use, where having a desk phone makes sense, but for home use, land line-replacement VOIP is just a little temporary thing, 100% wireless is the true future. VOIP services like Skype are here to stay, both for international, and for computer to computer. |
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