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Comments on news posted 2012-04-10 12:47:46: According to a new study by the NPD Group, the average cable bill will top $200 a month at current rates. While consumer income remains relatively flat, cable rates have been rising an average of 6 percent per year. ..

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caster 665

@dsl.net

be more for like canada where you can buy the box & Pick and

be more for like canada where you can buy the box & they have Pick and play.
mogamer

join:2011-04-20
Royal Oak, MI

1 recommendation

Re: be more for like canada where you can buy the box & Pick and

said by caster 665 :

be more for like canada where you can buy the box & they have Pick and play.

If by "Pick and Play" you mean bring your equipment to any provider, you already have that in this country. HTPC and Tivo work just fine in that regard. The trouble is that very few people in this country are willing to pay the true upfront cost for equipment. Thus the dvr and dvd recorder markets have very slim pickings.

davoice

join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC

Re: be more for like canada where you can buy the box & Pick and

Apparently you've never tried to get a TiVo or a HTPC to work right on Time Warner Cable or any other cableco who mindlessly implemented SDV. Those usb tethered SDV dongles... they're a joke. I had a retail Moxi w/ cable card on Time Warner Cable before Arris bought Moxi and I can promise you Moxi spent well over 40 hours working with the local TWC office trying to get all the quirks worked out with TWC's screwy SDV implementation. TiVo doesn't fair much better.

skuv

@rr.com

Re: be more for like canada where you can buy the box & Pick and

Mindlessly implemented SDV? I imagine they implemented SDV with being able to have more HD channels in mind.

My TiVo Elite has been working just fine with SDV and the Cisco tuning adapter.

davoice

join:2000-08-12
Saxapahaw, NC

Re: be more for like canada where you can buy the box & Pick and

Then you must be in one of the few markets that knows that they're doing! Good for you! Just google "tivo SDV trouble".

H Sapiens

@sbcglobal.net
said by skuv :

Mindlessly implemented SDV? I imagine they implemented SDV with being able to have more HD channels in mind.

They implemented SDV to force more cable box rentals and break what used to be called "Cable-ready TVs".

Cable should not have been allowed to walk away from that standard, but since we've got the best regulators CableLabs can buy we're back in the early 1980's when it comes to consumer protections and consumer choice.
BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH

Re: be more for like canada where you can buy the box & Pick and

Nope. They did it to gain capacity. They don't care if you use TiVo, you still have to pay them every month, and so few people do that it doesn't hurt their box rental cash cow. Also, TiVo and MCE users probably subscribe to more stuff on average anyways.

cast sucks

@dsl.net

make ESPN and disney channel premium

ESPN should be on it's own LIKE HBO.

skuv

@rr.com

Re: make ESPN and disney channel premium

And this has nothing to do with the cable company.

Every provider, Cable/FIOS/Uverse/DirecTV/Dish, must carry ESPN and Disney in their standard tiers in order to receive the channels at all.

Disney wants money from EVERY subscriber for ESPN and Disney Channel. They don't care who watches it, they don't have to. They force the bundling or you don't get the channels, and they go and advertise that your company sucks because you don't have the channels, but all these other providers do.

Why are the cable companies taking all of the blame for rate hikes when the content providers are hiking their rates too?

You can't change the pricing unless EVERY TV provider is ready to say no to Disney and others like them at EXACTLY the same time.

And you know how Disney and the others avoid that? They make sure contract renewals are all in different years or different quarters. So TWC can't drop Disney with DirecTV still under contract for a year, or TWC will lose customers to DirecTV and vice versa.

Until most of you realize this, which you fail to do every time cable rate hikes are talked about, a la carte is talked about, or a carriage dispute arises, nothing is going to happen to help the matter.

H Sapiens

@sbcglobal.net

Re: make ESPN and disney channel premium

said by skuv :

And this has nothing to do with the cable company.

That's industry apologist BS. The content producers have nothing without the distributors (Cable, Sat, etc.) but since there is no downside to just paying the ransom and forcing it onto consumers they're both giving each other the reach-around in private while they whine about each other in public.

If Cable/Sat really cared about this they would have told Disney to go pound sand years ago. Instead they are precisely half of the problem.
BiggA

join:2005-11-23
EARTH
Exactly. It's the content side of things. Even if ESPN was like HBO, because it is so mainstream, it would basically just be another rate hike, as it's one of the few big drivers of actually having cable in the first place.
Zen6

join:2011-06-04
Saratoga Springs, NY
Good post.

milnoc

join:2001-03-05
H3B
kudos:2

2 recommendations

Cut the cord...

Ask yourself if you really need all of that crap on TV.

If you cut the cord, this might happen.

- You rediscover books.
- You rediscover the great outdoors.
- You get more exercise.
- You participate in sporting events instead of watching them.
- You rediscover your children.
- You rediscover your partner.
- Your partner rediscovers you!

We've become slaves to the tube. Maybe it's time to free ourselves from this form of bondage.
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chances14

join:2010-03-03
Michigan

Re: Cut the cord...

said by milnoc:

Ask yourself if you really need all of that crap on TV.

If you cut the cord, this might happen.

- You rediscover books.
- You rediscover the great outdoors.
- You get more exercise.
- You participate in sporting events instead of watching them.
- You rediscover your children.
- You rediscover your partner.
- Your partner rediscovers you!

We've become slaves to the tube. Maybe it's time to free ourselves from this form of bondage.

i find it kind of ironic when i see these kinds of posts considering that almost everyone on this site is an internet junkie and the same principles that you just listed apply

milnoc

join:2001-03-05
H3B
kudos:2

Re: Cut the cord...

At least I can use the Internet to meet new people at social gatherings, which I've been actively doing since the beginning of the year.
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chances14

join:2010-03-03
Michigan

Re: Cut the cord...

sure. There is some useful stuff on the internet, just like with TV

I just find it funny that people on this site treat TV like it rots your brain out and is bad for you when the internet has just as much garbage on it as TV

dslfan90

@sbcglobal.net

Re: Cut the cord...

said by chances14:

sure. There is some useful stuff on the internet, just like with TV

I just find it funny that people on this site treat TV like it rots your brain out and is bad for you when the internet has just as much garbage on it as TV

I agree. It's a matter of how you use the resources. You could use the internet to spend all your time surfing porn sites.

Just because you spend all your time on the internet instead of TV doesn't make it a better use of your time. The same could be said of any other activity.

Cjones

@rogers.com
The internet is, I think, inherently better than TV, simply because it's two-way where TV isn't. You can cut the internet down to TV's level, you can spend all your time watching/listening to/consuming media, but that's all TV can ever be. The internet at its worst is the same as TV at its best, and even if you limit yourself to watching and listening to, you have more to watch and listen to on the internet. If, obviously, you read/write/think/discuss/create, the internet is far better. Of course, there are many things that are a good deal better than the internet. All I'm saying is that anyone here has a point when they say the internet is better than television.

dslfan90

@sbcglobal.net

Re: Cut the cord...

said by Cjones :

All I'm saying is that anyone here has a point when they say the internet is better than television.

Well, not really. There is no right or wrong answer. It's just a matter of opinion and preference. Neither is inherently better or worst. Like any resource, it can be use for good or bad.

Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC
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Re: Cut the cord...

said by dslfan90 :

said by Cjones :

All I'm saying is that anyone here has a point when they say the internet is better than television.

Well, not really. There is no right or wrong answer. It's just a matter of opinion and preference. Neither is inherently better or worst. Like any resource, it can be use for good or bad.

If you had kids you would know TV is much better. Without standing over your kid they are a click or two away from God knows what on the internet. Blocking software??? Doesn't work.

cjones

@rogers.com

Re: Cut the cord...

said by Corehhi:

If you had kids you would know TV is much better. Without standing over your kid they are a click or two away from God knows what on the internet. Blocking software??? Doesn't work.

The internet is like life, if your kid wants to go places you don't want him to go, he will, after a certain age. Similarly, if he wants to beat your blocking software, he will, after a certain age. The TV is like your house, you, or someone with more or less your values in many cases, controls what comes in. Personally, I would rather have a kid who I could guide through life rather than having one I would simply leave in the house. The argument that a controlled environment, like that which comes through a television, is better than an uncontrolled one is, at the very least, difficult. There's a reason we don't hide in our homes.

Cjones

@rogers.com
said by dslfan90 :

said by Cjones :

All I'm saying is that anyone here has a point when they say the internet is better than television.

Well, not really. There is no right or wrong answer. It's just a matter of opinion and preference. Neither is inherently better or worst. Like any resource, it can be use for good or bad.

And your support for that statement, that it's a matter of opinion, is?
I suggest that a 2-way mode of communication is better than a mode which isn't interactive. I suggest this because the two-way mode encourages creativity, thought, etc, rather than consumption, because, even if you choose simply to consume, as many do, at the very least, you have a wider choice of what to consume. Saying "it's just a matter of opinion" isn't an answer.

dslfan90

@sbcglobal.net

Re: Cut the cord...

said by Cjones :

And your support for that statement, that it's a matter of opinion, is?

Support needs to provided for offering an opinion or a preference? ROFL

There is a difference between opinion and fact!

ArrayList
netbus developer
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Re: Cut the cord...

said by dslfan90 :

said by Cjones :

And your support for that statement, that it's a matter of opinion, is?

Support needs to provided for offering an opinion or a preference? ROFL

There is a difference between opinion and fact!

Facts usually have something backing them up. Your opinion, however, could be based on nothing but bullshit.

Cjones

@rogers.com
said by dslfan90 :

[Support needs to provided for offering an opinion or a preference? ROFL

No, it doesn't. Support needs to be provided when trying to determine whether something is a matter of opinion or a matter of fact. Whether I like pasta more than fish is a matter of opinion. Whether pasta or fish is better for the heart is a matter of fact. If I tell my doctor that I like pasta more than fish, and that's my opinion, he'll thank me for the information. If I tell him that pasta and fish are equally good for the heart, and that's my opinion, he'll tell me that's not a matter of opinion. When he offers facts to disprove what I'm saying, I'll look like a fool telling him that the effects on my heart are just a matter of opinion. Whether any particular thing is a matter of opinion is itself a matter of fact. You state that it is a matter of opinion as to whether using the internet is better than watching TV. That, and not your opinion itself that they are equally good, is what \I'm asking for support about.

dslfan90

@sbcglobal.net
said by Cjones :

I suggest that a 2-way mode of communication is better than a mode which isn't interactive. I suggest this because the two-way mode encourages creativity, thought, etc, rather than consumption, because, even if you choose simply to consume, as many do, at the very least, you have a wider choice of what to consume. Saying "it's just a matter of opinion" isn't an answer.

And your support for making the suggestions in your above statement would be what?

I see a lot of opinions being offered. Please provide facts and sources to support your viewpoint. I know that you feel that an opinion cannot be stated unless you also provide facts and sources to support them. If you can provide some authoritative case studies, that will be sufficient.

Cjones

@rogers.com

Re: Cut the cord...

said by dslfan90 :

said by Cjones :

I suggest that a 2-way mode of communication is better than a mode which isn't interactive. I suggest this because the two-way mode encourages creativity, thought, etc, rather than consumption, because, even if you choose simply to consume, as many do, at the very least, you have a wider choice of what to consume. Saying "it's just a matter of opinion" isn't an answer.

And your support for making the suggestions in your above statement would be what?

You will find my support and reasons for the suggestion after the word "because" in my previous message, which is also quoted above.
Mele20
Premium
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Hilo, HI
kudos:5

Re: Cut the cord...

Why is everyone saying a TV is one way? That is not true anymore. All of them now (except maybe the really cheap ones) have web browsers and apps and you can attach a $35 computer (got to get on the waiting list for the next batch out though) to it and your TV is no longer a passive watchum thingy. Plus, for years now in many areas you can order pizza and other food over your TV. That is not "passive".
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Cjones

@rogers.com

Re: Cut the cord...

said by Mele20:

Why is everyone saying a TV is one way? That is not true anymore.

I speak for myself, so the others who have taken that position can answer what they like. I don't have any problem with the flat piece of plastic and metal that people call a television. It can be one-way or two-way, but that has nothing to do with what we're talking about here. When you turn the plastic and metal into an interactive device, it's just a screen/audio producer with internet access, like many computers. There's no necessary cable bill to pay, no piped in programming to watch, etc. What I mean by TV is the programming sent from a sender to a receiver. When the television is connected to the internet, it's not TV anymore, it's the internet, or an intranet, or whatever, accessed through a device called a television.

ArrayList
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said by chances14:

I just find it funny that people on this site treat TV like it rots your brain out and is bad for you when the internet has just as much garbage on it as TV

I find it funny when people try to defend TV without any evidence to support that it doesn't rot your brain.
chances14

join:2010-03-03
Michigan

Re: Cut the cord...

I find it funny when people completely miss the point of someone's post. My point was that the same people who say tv is bad, are also some of the people who spend all their time on the Internet, which can be just as bad as tv

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dslfan90

@sbcglobal.net
said by ArrayList:

I find it funny when people try to defend TV without any evidence to support that it doesn't rot your brain.

Ok. Present your evidence that TV rots your brain.
jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA
It's funny that you just committed the "proving non-existence falaccy":
When an arguer cannot provide the evidence for his claims, he may challenge his opponent to prove it doesn't exist (e.g., prove God doesn't exist; prove UFO's haven't visited earth, etc.). Although one may prove non-existence in special limitations, such as showing that a box does not contain certain items, one cannot prove universal or absolute non-existence, or non-existence out of ignorance. One cannot prove something that does not exist. The proof of existence must come from those who make the claims.

ArrayList
netbus developer
Premium
join:2005-03-19
Brighton, MA

Re: Cut the cord...

get your logic out of the this message board. It's still too early in the existence of DSLr to have any logic.

Corehhi

join:2002-01-28
Bluffton, SC
Reviews:
·Hargray Cable
said by milnoc:

At least I can use the Internet to meet new people at social gatherings, which I've been actively doing since the beginning of the year.

Craigslist casual encounters???

milnoc

join:2001-03-05
H3B
kudos:2

Re: Cut the cord...

said by Corehhi:

said by milnoc:

At least I can use the Internet to meet new people at social gatherings, which I've been actively doing since the beginning of the year.

Craigslist casual encounters???

No, meetup.com.

(Casual Encounters didn't work! )
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dslfan90

@sbcglobal.net
said by chances14:

said by milnoc:

Ask yourself if you really need all of that crap on TV.

If you cut the cord, this might happen.

- You rediscover books.
- You rediscover the great outdoors.
- You get more exercise.
- You participate in sporting events instead of watching them.
- You rediscover your children.
- You rediscover your partner.
- Your partner rediscovers you!

We've become slaves to the tube. Maybe it's time to free ourselves from this form of bondage.

i find it kind of ironic when i see these kinds of posts considering that almost everyone on this site is an internet junkie and the same principles that you just listed apply

+1
pooker314

join:2005-04-12
Brush Prairie, WA
Funny, I went the other way. After a long period of wasting time having long conversations with my wife, playing with my daughters, reading books, going biking, cultivating my garden, reforesting my property, and remodelling my house, I realized that was all a huge effort to expend just to avoid watching TV. Bought a 60" plasma last year with a DirecTV subscription and have never looked back.

ArrayList
netbus developer
Premium
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Brighton, MA
Haven't paid for or watched cable or satellite tv in over a decade. That's at least $12k that I saved from the cable co's to spend on other, more fulfilling things.

pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
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Mount Airy, MD

1 recommendation

2020?

How about right now for most?

Anyway the antenna will hopefully be up by this weekend. I can't look myself in the eye and say cable TV is worth paying what is close to a car payment each month.
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"Net Neutrality" zealots - the people you can thank for your capped Internet service.

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chances14

join:2010-03-03
Michigan

sports

I need my Red Wings fix and unfortunately, they aren't on free tv anymore (i miss those days)

otherwise i could live without pay tv

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motoracer

join:2003-09-15
united state

1 recommendation

Haha

$200/month? I'd drop them like a hot potato. I'm on the verge of dropping them now at $100/month. Please give me a reason to cut the cable...!

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psiu

join:2004-01-20
Farmington, MI

it's for all that new and original programming...

Our bill just went up ~$3.50 between internet and TV. Of course...we have the Limited Basic package...must've been the PBS cartel getting rates raised.

But at least our internet speeds and cap got raised...oh wait, nevermind.
Sammer

join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA

Re: it's for all that new and original programming...

More like new and original crap content, more commercials, more reruns, caps on internet service and treating all their customers like they're millionaires when it comes time to pay the monthly bill. Don't forget that Xfinity really means infinitely expensive!

KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK

Average cart full of groceries will be $600 by 2020

...

The way things are going!

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FFH5
Premium
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Tavistock NJ
kudos:5

Price and income assumptions

»Study: Average Cable Bill Will Top $200 By 2020
quote:
While consumer income remains relatively flat, cable rates have been rising an average of 6 percent per year
2 assumptions in that statement. That rates will continue to rise at 6%/yr until 2020. And that income will remain flat.

Real disposable personal income per capita according to forecasts will average about 2%/yr. »www.ers.usda.gov/Publications/OC···111b.pdf So that number is not expected to be flat.

Will cable rates continue to rise at 6%/yr? If, as claimed by many in the technology forecast business are right, cord cutting will continue to increase and internet video explodes, cable rates will NOT increase at 6%/yr.

openbox9
Premium
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Germany
kudos:2

Re: Price and income assumptions

Even if rates climb an average of 6%/yr through 2020, the math doesn't work with NPD's assumed basis of $86/mth in 2011.
Bubba_5486

join:2012-04-10

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Free TV

Free video streaming is becoming increasingly available.

For example, I watched the Super Bowl for free

Cut the cord on costly cable tv!

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AndyDufresne
Premium
join:2010-10-30
Chanhassen, MN

When do prices ever go down?

So you cut your cable bill but guess what chances are you still will pay evil cable for access to the net and if you have noticed those prices had not gone up in years and know seem to go up just like everything else every 9-12 months.

You will still pay 200 to the cable/telco company by 2020 the question will be how is it broken down.

Oh_No
Trogglus normalus

join:2011-05-21
Chicago, IL

Garbage Shows

Raising rates, but yet we get less programming.
TV is all cheap reality shows for morons, sports (which should be 100% optional), and cheesy movie reruns.
If all sports channels were on their own tier then we could save at least $10 to 20 off our bills.
Hell every new scifi show they make is lucky to last 1 season.

Cable is becomming less and less worth it every year.
It is good that neflix and amazon are looking into producing their own shows.

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tmc8080

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Brooklyn, NY
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when you consider..

what else could happen in 2020, $200 cable bill seems remotely significant... hydrogen vehicles & filling stations, free & low cost healthcare, digital kiosk payphones, closing of many brick and motar stores in exchange for online shopping, fiber to every home initiatives meet reality outside the northeast in AT&T and Comcast's footprint.

or the worst predictions...
sky high gasoline prices.. no alternative fuels (because they've been sabotaged and lobbied out of existence), food and shelter shortages, major job loss (30%), unaffordable healthcare, elder care collapse and rationing of care among younger people. civil class warfare meets with vigilante justice in metropolitan areas with violence and robin-hoodisms being carried out.

... Or you can look to this guy:

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsiTQvjA9DA

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Snakeoil
Ignore Button. The coward's feature.
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Mentor, OH
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Trying to convince the wife.

I'd be more then happy to save some money.
Our current bill is 100 Bucks to Dish every month.
We get Americas 250 stations, and Blockbuster movie pass [for movies and games].

But to do that I'd need:

Internet: I think we pay 50 bucks currently.
Netflix: 8 bucks a month [currently paying that]
Hulu plus: 8 bucks a month [don't have]
Amazon Prime [maybe, if better then Hulu plus]

So our current entertainment bill is a whooping 160 bucks a month. If we were to switch to internet only, we'd save 100 bucks a month. Then I'd have to join gamefly again, or maybe blockbuster [which ever is cheaper]. I dislike buying games, because there are some many crap games out there. I think renting them is better.

The wife says DVRing the shows makes it easy for her to find them. She doesn't want to "think" to watch the new episode.
She also doesn't want to wait 1 to 2 weeks for the show to be released on huluplus/dishmoviepass.
We entered our account number, but fox still refuses us to see the new shows until 9 days later.
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Bill Neilson
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Arlington, VA

Prices are already IMO laughablty high

but there will be a point if they continue rising where more and more consumers take a step back and start to literally pull back financially.

I have already taken a step somewhat towards that and I suspect the higher prices go....the more others will as well.

Paying for TV (even with the increase in programing content) has a limit for many, imo

J E F F
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Retentions

Time for more people to call Retentions. Got my bill down to $18.00 per month, taxes in. Yeah, had to sign for two years, but it's better than the $68 I was paying...
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Kommie
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united state
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1 recommendation

Community Brodaband

We need to force our towns to deploy their own broadband to keep the telco/cable co in check.

IowaCowboy
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Since I broke my bundle

When I moved the home phone to Verizon (due to CDV causing issues for my new alarm system), I lost my discount and promotional price, my cable bill shot up. I had to trim the fat and I downgraded my cable to Digital preferred (dropped HBO and Starz, which I never watched anyways) and switched to the Economy plus (3.0/768) to lower the bill. Not to mention I pay $49.95 for the Verizon landline.
brianiscool

join:2000-08-16
Tampa, FL
kudos:1

Will anybody be using Cable?

By 2020 Cable Companies, Phone Providers and Fiber Networks will probably be mainly pipe providers to the internet. Most people are already cutting the cord and going internet only.
Sukunai
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·ELECTRONICBOX

How do they even justify these articles?

200 a month for cable?

Why do they think I ditched cable? It's a brain dead expense at 65 bucks a month now. The only people getting cable are either rich and simply couldn't care where their money is being wasted, or they have justified having cable for cable internet and need the cable service for that primarily (the same way I only have a phone line for the DSL service to use it).

200 bucks for cable, that's even dumber than any of the blathering coming from the MPAA.

The salient success for me in 2012, was getting the wife to finally understand her soap operas, news, and Cops shows just weren't acceptable as justification for spending 65 bucks for stripped down basic cable service. She now gets her fix of TV from Netflix like my son and I do. 8 bucks a month.

JigglyWiggly

join:2009-07-12
Pleasanton, CA

Re: How do they even justify these articles?

mine already is...