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Comments on news posted 2012-06-26 10:38:55: The Department of Justice recently launched an investigation into whether cable operators are engaged in anti-competitive behavior against over-the-top Internet video rivals. ..

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john262

join:2003-09-26
Elko, NV
reply to Nightfall

Re: Depends on the channel

Fox Reality went off the air a long time ago. It's NatGeo Wild now.


FLATLINE

join:2007-02-27
Buffalo, NY
reply to john262

Re: Wow...

Good point but I dont think hes talking about the economy but more the spending habits of our government. Bush was in large part responsible for the extreme accumulation of debt after taking office with a government holding very little debt. War is expensive. Do you have idea what those bombs and missiles cost they spread all over Afphganistan and Iraq?

XJakeX

join:2005-03-05
Coventry, RI

Not all cable's fault

I think the anger here against the cable, satellite and Telcos is misplaced. It's not their fault we don't have a la carte. The TV networks, or rather their 5 corporate parents, control that. They force all the rebroadcasters to buy channels in bundles, so it would be very difficult financially to offer a la carte pricing.

The other major gripe people have against TV is the number of commercial minutes per hour. This is also controlled by the TV networks.

If commercial minutes per hour of programming were reduced to 10, and a la carte pricing were available, my local cable company might be able to coax me back as a customer.
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michieru
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Re: Wow...

You should considering that right now Comcast pays for the groceries for these families. If they were to lose the jobs that you don't care about then it will come out of welfare.

This matter isn't as simple as it seems but yes we should get what "we" the consumer want. Of course we cannot ignore that because this is not a necessity and I am sure you will agree cable isn't. Then we shouldn't have to regulate the TV industry because that's the conservative thing to do.

I say let it be and have consumers speak with their wallets and let the blood bath continue. Eventually something will give way and when it does I can see the TV industry losing because at one point or another, bare necessities is more important than cable TV.

Recession? If you can afford a $250 cable bill... cry me a river.


Noah Vail
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Re: But What About the Jobs Killed by Anti-competitive Behavior?

said by tshirt:

Karl do you have a link to a precise scientific study showing exactly how many Jobs are Killed by Anti-competitive Behavior?

It's on file, right next to the unbiased anti-AlaCarte study.
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Noah Vail
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slow_move

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The argument that channels that people don’t want will go away (and that is bad) is simply anti free market. Let the market decide what channels add value, not socialist analysts or politicians. At least try to let the end user have more control.


NickD
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reply to Kilroy

Re: Sports - the only reason for cable

NFL Sunday Ticket is available online, and ESPN3 is available if your cable company subscribes to it, which means you can watch that even without a TV subscription.


CSRWRK

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reply to tmc8080

Re: Wow...

I work for one of the larger cable companies in the States and I think highly underestimate the amount of people in this country that are a slaves to their televisons and would never care to have internet video content avalible to them --some even turn it down when it's free with what they subscribe to ex: HBO/MAX GO, epix, watch espn-- let alone understand how to access the content itself. The current industry models and practices are old and outdated, but so is alot of the consumer base itself --and not just the old people-- so these models will continues thrive as long as the consumer base lets it, and from the looks of my day job it will be a very long time.


dvd536
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If the crap channels

Died out, operators could ease up on the compression rates on decent channels with bandwidth made available from the death of those channels.


Nightfall
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Re: Sports - the only reason for cable

said by NickD:

NFL Sunday Ticket is available online, and ESPN3 is available if your cable company subscribes to it, which means you can watch that even without a TV subscription.

NFL Sunday Ticket still has blackouts. ESPN3 is nice for niche sports though as I have used them to watch the college hockey NCAA tournament. When it comes to the televised sports though, they don't hold a candle to what you can watch on TV.
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sparks

join:2001-07-08
Little Rock, AR
reply to dvd536

Re: If the crap channels

Well I think it BS that someone watching amc or the history channel has a sports fee added to their cost.

I remember a long time ago comcast big shot saying oh if the people watching sports had to pay for it they couldn't afford it...LAUGHING HIS ASS OFF.

so everyone pays some dipshit $50 million a year to run a football
and the morons don't have a clue the gov is stealing us blind and says I got his jersey off that their intranet for only $50 bucks.

DUH and we wonder why we are 64th in the world in literacy ?


Bill Neilson
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reply to 88615298

Re: I absolute agree with Karl about the last

said by 88615298:

said by Bill Neilson:

statement he makes but I do wonder if the A La Carte option would kill off many channels like some seem to think.

I watch a good amount of TV and watch smaller channels every now and then. I actually enjoy having a lot of options.

I am just not sure those options may be around with A La Carte. Maybe I am wrong though, I dunno. I am sure the ESPN price will be absolutely stunning with ALACarte.

And I should subsidize your "many options"? If you like them so much, pay for them.

I do. I fail to see your point.


DM0407

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reply to sparks

Re: If the crap channels

said by sparks:

so everyone pays some dipshit $50 million a year to run a football
and the morons don't have a clue the gov is stealing us blind and says I got his jersey off that their intranet for only $50 bucks.

DUH and we wonder why we are 64th in the world in literacy ?

The irony in that last statement is thick as molasses.


Fronkman
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reply to pnh102

Re: Wow...

said by pnh102:

I'm sorry, but your president is an absolute complete and total failure at just about everything.

You mean our President? He is the President of the ENTIRE United States. Unless you want to go down the path of secession again, since THAT worked out so well the last time...
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Fronkman
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said by pnh102:

I'm sorry, but your president is an absolute complete and total failure at just about everything.

You mean our President?

He is the President of the ENTIRE United States. Unless you want to go down the path of secession again, since THAT worked out so well the last time...
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Fronkman
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reply to michieru
said by michieru:

You should considering that right now Comcast pays for the groceries for these families. If they were to lose the jobs that you don't care about then it will come out of welfare.

I absolutely DETEST this kind of logic. Comcast doesn't buy people groceries! Those people go to WORK everyday and Comcast compensates them for their time and effort. If these people didn't show up to work, Comcast would have nothing to sell. Your phrasing makes it sound like the salaries are just some sort of charity for useless people.

This is in the same vein as calling rich people "job creators" instead of just "rich people." Do you know what creates jobs? Not CEOs, DEMAND creates jobs.
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Mele20
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said by pnh102:

So they really are playing up the whole "Women and Minorities Hardest Hit" claim? Heh.

It is a MINORITIES claim they are playing up....not women. I am a woman and I watch broadcast HD channels via clearqam and NO OTHER CHANNELS. I have zero interest in the ton of mostly trashy channels that my cable company forces on me. I want ala carte so I can order broadcast channels only. I live where cable or satellite is required to view TV channels including broadcast ones. I am forced to pay for a bunch of channels that I never watch and my tastes are NOT for niche channels at all. I like ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox and Public TV channels and that is it.
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DrDrew
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said by Mele20:

I have zero interest in the ton of mostly trashy channels that my cable company forces on me. I want ala carte so I can order broadcast channels only. I live where cable or satellite is required to view TV channels including broadcast ones. I am forced to pay for a bunch of channels that I never watch and my tastes are NOT for niche channels at all. I like ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox and Public TV channels and that is it.

Tell your apartment manager/owner/whoever you only want Basic. They're the ones who signed a contract and make you pay for Standard cable. Since it's included as part of your rent, they even made you pay it when you didn't have a TV...

If you COULD deal directly with TWC on this, they'd sell and provide you with Basic which would pretty much give you the "ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox and Public TV channels" and not much else.

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wmcbrine
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join:2002-12-30
Laurel, MD
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Niche channels are already destroying themselves...

...voluntarily, with no help needed from a la carte. Consider:

Sci-Fi Channel -> SyFy, shows wrestling
Music Television -> MTV, shows "reality" trash
Discovery Channel -> too awful to discuss
BBC America -> Shows U.S.-made programs
The Nashville Network -> TNN, shows ST:TNG (just like BBCA)
Bravo -> Was arts, now "reality" trash

TNN changed to something else later, I forget what. Anyway, you get the point: All these channels, and many more, started out "niche", and moved towards the lowest common denominator. How much real niche programming is even left?
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SouthWestSun

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Analysis protect big businesses

It depends a lot on how A-La-Carte is going to be done. If it's restaurant-like then channels such as PBS or Retro they're going to be sold for pennies. That way that users would pick them anyway just to have a bigger lineup.

Big channels like ESPN or SPEED will probably suffer more because people uninterested in sports are going to ditch them meaning big savings.

I think this analysis is really trying to protect big networks.

Aren't they the ones getting the biggest chunks out of the pie anyway?


Eggman

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reply to Kilroy

Re: Sports - the only reason for cable

Actually, it's a Needham & Company report that made the '1 million jobs' claim. Here's a link discussing the article: »Analysts: A La Carte Would Kill 1 Million Jobs.