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Comments on news posted 2012-07-02 10:32:13: Last Friday we noted that a new Cisco automatic firmware update for some residential routers was causing no shortage of annoyance among users, since it automatically upgraded them to a firmware that required they log into the cloud to conduct even ru.. ..

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ARGONAUT
Have a nice day.
Premium
join:2006-01-24
New Albany, IN
kudos:1

Can You Here Me Now?

Cisco was a friend of mine..

ASUS is my little friend now.
Ostracus

join:2011-09-05
Henderson, KY

Re: Can You Here Me Now?

Shboom! Shboom!

Now waiting for ASUS to release their AC router, since everyone else has.

TexasPartner

@comcast.net

Cisco



As a Cisco Partner who has many soho type customer..

This is a direct attack and betrayal of not only their customer base but is aimed also at Cisco channel partners...to automatically
route logins and maintenance directly to their site..Let alone the
changes to the TOS, reeks of a sinister smell....of course that
seems to part of the Cisco micro-management style of business.
If times are bad lets just steal business from Cisco Channel Partners.

ANonnyNonny

@frontiernet.net

Cisco Cloud Connect reserves right to censor

Seen at:
»www.neowin.net/news/cisco-locks-···-service

From Cisco Cloud Connect's TOS (which must be accepted to use the router with the new firmware):

"You agree not to use or permit the use of the Service: (i) to invade another's privacy; (ii) for obscene, pornographic, or offensive purposes; (iii) to infringe another's rights, including but not limited to any intellectual property rights; (iv) to upload, email or otherwise transmit or make available any unsolicited or unauthorized advertising, promotional materials, spam, junk mail or any other form of solicitation; (v) to transmit or otherwise make available any code or virus, or perform any activity, that could harm or interfere with any device, software, network or service (including this Service); or (vi) to violate, or encourage any conduct that would violate any applicable law or regulation or give rise to civil or criminal liability."

As a result of that, Cisco reserves the right, 'without limitation,' to transform your router into a useless brick if they decide you're enjoying your porno just a little too much, or if they catch you browsing the Pirate Bay.

dfrandin
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Las Vegas, NV

Non-Cisco DD-WRT/Tomato Routers..

Guess its time to start vetting the *other* routers that DD-WRT/Tomato run on... Till now, I'd always used Cisco/Linksys.. THAT use, good friends, is over...
xur17

join:2003-03-26
Cincinnati, OH

Re: Non-Cisco DD-WRT/Tomato Routers..

said by dfrandin:

Guess its time to start vetting the *other* routers that DD-WRT/Tomato run on... Till now, I'd always used Cisco/Linksys.. THAT use, good friends, is over...

I just purchased this router for $22 and flashed it with Tomato:

»slickdeals.net/f/4625240-Thread-···-Shipped

It runs great, and is more stable than my $80 wzr-hp-g300nh running ddwrt. I've been very happy with it so far, especially for the price. It has built in wireless n (2.4ghz only), gigabit ethernet, 453 MHz CPU, 8 MB Flash, 64 MB RAM, and 2 usb ports that I connected a hard drive and printer to.

dfrandin
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Las Vegas, NV
Reviews:
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Re: Non-Cisco DD-WRT/Tomato Routers..

Damn... Thanks for the link.. Just bought 4 of them.. One to replace the home WRT54GL and 3 for the shelf for clients.. One thing I really missed on the WRT54GL was no USB port.. Apparently this has USB and probably can host one of my external USB drives for an impromptu NAS.. They'll all get reflashed with Tomato upon reciept.. Using Tomato 1.27vpn on the current WRT54GL..

CANNOT beat $22 AND free shipping.... Thanks again

dfrandin
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join:2002-06-14
Las Vegas, NV
Reviews:
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Re: Non-Cisco DD-WRT/Tomato Routers..

UPDATE: Just received the Belkin routers, and set one up to replace my old WRT54GL.. Fantastic router, two USB ports so now I can easily set one of my USB drives up as a NAS. Was going to flash to Tomato, as thats what I'm familiar with, but after checking out the full-blown DDWRT, decided Tomato was unnecessary. Just after I ordered these four units, the vendors webpage indicated these were no longer available. If you can find them elsewhere, I think they're a hell of a deal... FU Cisco....

FLATLINE

join:2007-02-27
Buffalo, NY

Irrelevant!

“users who got the firmware should remember they signed up for automatic updates". Do we really need to point out that people signed up for automatic firmware updates period. They didn't sign up for some new fangled cloud firmware which enables Cisco to spy and profit off of your personal information. Whomever keeps pointing that out at Cisco needs to be told to stop making fools of themselves.

Leave my freaking router alone! I recently retired my old Linksys wrt54gs. Like all retirees its now working in a diminished role as a repeater. I bought a Net gear wndr4500 and let me be the first to say to Net gear...... DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

chip89
Premium
join:2012-07-05
Independence, OH

did get a update

I have a valet plus and I did't get a update for because of something
Mele20
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join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
kudos:5

Cisco retreating due to customer pressure

Cisco has stated, a few hours ago, in a followup to their original blog that:

"Linksys customers are not required to sign-up for the Cisco Connect Cloud service and they are able to opt-out of signing up for an account

Cisco Connect Cloud is an optional service that brings additional features to a home network. It is not required to set-up and manage Cisco Linksys EA Series routers. In response to our customers’ concerns, we have simplified the process for opting-out of the Cisco Connect Cloud service and have changed the default setting back to traditional router set-up and management.

Customers can set-up and manage their Linksys router without signing up for a Cisco Connect Cloud account

If a customer chooses not to set up a Cisco Connect Cloud account, they can manage their router with the current local management software. We are committed to providing both Cloud-enabled and local management software."

That indicates there will be continued updates of local firmware.

The blog goes on to specifically answer other questions and criticisms of Cisco Cloud. In particular, the blog answers the question about Linksy routers and/or Cisco cloud collecting information about how users use the internet FOUR TIMES apparently trying to quell fears and appease angry users.

Some posters in the Linksy official forums are saying that their routers have, since July 4, been automatically downgraded to the earlier firmware version raising the possibility that Cisco may be reverting all routers that were upgraded to cloud software.

The blog states that Cisco is working on updating its TOS to accurately reflect its commitment "to the privacy and security of our customers". I await this revised TOS with interest. I don't know if this is just hurried damage control, and later Cisco will try the same thing again, or if they have "seen the light" and are committed to continuing to support local firmware updates for the foreseeable future. I hope the latter as I have a Linksy router that is old and I was planning, before this happened, to replace it with a new Linksy.

»blogs.cisco.com/home/update-answ···cloud-2/
--
When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson

C0deZer0
Oc'D To Rhythm And Police
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join:2001-10-03
Tempe, AZ

Eh, nope.

If I had a storefront that sold networking equipment, I'd be taking any and all Cisco/Linksys hardware off the shelves after that. I'd rather eat that loss than have to deal with the customer backlash from those ending up with this kind of hardware that they'd then have to depend on.
--
Because, f*ck Sony

panhead20

@pacbell.net

Non-cloud firmware updates

"If a customer chooses not to set up a Cisco Connect Cloud account, they can manage their router with the current local management software."

And will not receive any further firmware updates because newer firmware only supports Cisco Connect Cloud?!
anser man

join:2012-07-07
Flint, MI

tecknoligy these days.

I would sue them for evry penny of profit they've made.

vatorman

@verizon.net

cisco firmware "upgrade"???

People... Its called ... buy another brand of router!!!! Money is the ONLY way guys like this will ever learn not to mess up a good thing.

Mike Wolf

join:2009-05-24
Beachwood, NJ
kudos:3
Reviews:
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Re: cisco firmware "upgrade"???

um actually all it will do is make them think home routers aren't worth their time and cause them to drop consumer grade equipment as well as stop support of any firmware updates for routers that are already sold, screwing over the customers who own them.
upb
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join:2004-03-15
Carriere, MS
kudos:1
Leo Laporte and Steve Gibson discussed this fiasco during Wednesday's "Security Now" netcast, and Leo recommends against all things Cisco, based on the onerous TOS that were initially included with the "upgrade". See »twit.tv/show/security-now/360 for full details.

Mike Wolf

join:2009-05-24
Beachwood, NJ
kudos:3
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Re: cisco firmware "upgrade"???

hmm you put me in an awkward position. I mean on one hand Leo is the one and only God when it comes to technology, but on the other Cisco does too many good things that counteract the bonehead stupid bad things they do.

Companies make mistakes sometimes.
hedyd4u
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join:2003-12-16
Schenectady, NY

my linksys cisco router is gone

I checked the ddwrt list and my router was not compatible so I went out and bought a netgear.