| sad factoid there are very few companies left who WANT to deploy into these markets. until the tier-1 fiber gets closer to these communities, no company would be stupid enough to underwrite a buildout for the last mile. there are NO companies like RCN left.. |
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kudos:48 | My question to these ISP's Since when did competition mean you had to do the exact same thing your competitors are doing? Isn't that what competition is about? Differentiating yourself to pull in more business? What a fail on Verizon's part, especially with the prospect of a FiOS build out, yes it may be more expensive, and may take a long time for a return on the investment, but it's a FUTURE PROOF investment, which almost guarantee's that you will never really have to upgrade much until you can transfer files at the speed of light! Oh well, hope these communities are successful at muni-fiber, otherwise I feel sorry for these people being thrown back in the dark ages.......
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kudos:5 | AT&T or Verizon didn't say totally abandon voice markets Neither AT&T or Verizon has said they will abandon a voice line without providing some kind of wireless voice service. Burstein, a fanatic telco critic, is assuming they will without any facts to backup that claim.
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Miami, FL | So they'll either keep POTS service without any highspeed data network attached, or pay through the nose for LTE wireless service. |
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Wireless is the future...... When you have stockholders breathing down your neck to turn the company into an unregulated license to print money. Wireless has very little regulation outside of its FCC obligations, POTs is highly controlled for the voice end at least.
However I am guessing they cannot legally ever shut down the POTS plant without the state's PUC giving them the goahead because much of that plant is tax payer owned.
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Re: AT&T or Verizon didn't say totally abandon voice markets said by Zoder:So they'll either keep POTS service without any highspeed data network attached, or pay through the nose for LTE wireless service.
Yes, although line maintenance is expensive and they'll certainly be looking for ways to offload those markets. Wireless network costs are what they are. Maybe one solution would be to change the USF rules to allow ATT & VZ to tap into those funds to subsidize LTE costs to underserved areas. |
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Boothbay, ME
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Re: My question to these ISP's said by mmay149q:Oh well, hope these communities are successful at muni-fiber, otherwise I feel sorry for these people being thrown back in the dark ages.......
Matt
The way these companies work. Is that although they do not service an area, they fight the state and local government, tooth and nail, to prevent them from creating their own.
See: West Virginia vs Time Warner for example. |
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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Re: sad factoid said by tmc8080:...there are very few companies left who WANT to deploy into these markets.... And why would they? Even these large companies with deep pocket AND an/the existing plant can't see a profitable future in what's there, no value in copper upgrades, and even with their deep pockets no chance of completeing a fiber build out and repaying the debt within a reasonable timeframe even as sole provider.
Throw in the fear of misguided regulation that might force underwater ROI or worse linesharing at their own expense.
Mobile is also expensive to deploy but atleast provided high enough rates to pay for most of the current generation before it's obsolence.
ubiquitous fiber( since that is currently seen as nirvana) will take
1}Time to buildout
2} A huge investment
3}a longterm national Broadband/communications PLAN
4} long term comphensive tax policy* that allows investors to see value in the investment, at rates potential customers can afford and WILL pay.
Since Congress can't agree on much of anything now, even basic financing of vital Gov't services, they sure as hell can't handle a sensible discussion about something that takes long term planning for the benefit of ALL the people.
And without their action no company will work toward universal affordable broadband coverage any faster then they are now. |
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Re: My question to these ISP's said by Dominokat:said by mmay149q:Oh well, hope these communities are successful at muni-fiber, otherwise I feel sorry for these people being thrown back in the dark ages.......
Matt
The way these companies work. Is that although they do not service an area, they fight the state and local government, tooth and nail, to prevent them from creating their own. See: West Virginia vs Time Warner for example. Yeah I've read many articles about different locations going through this, and it really makes me wonder if our founding fathers are rolling around in their grave, because this country is supposed to be based on being by the people and for the people, and instead its by the corporation, and for the corporation. With the new libertarian candidates entering the mix this election year I'm really hoping/optimistic they will follow the teachings of Thomas Jefferson and start reversing what we're currently having to put up with.
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Re: Wireless is the future...... said by Kearnstd:....because much of that plant is tax payer owned.
Very little of that plant is taxpayer owned.
Yes Taxpayers paid for a lot of it, but not payments towards ownership, but payments to direct it's growth in a way that gov'ts (mostly federal, but some state and local influance) decided best fit the public need.
No different then the penagon paying for massive development of weapon X, yes the gov't (customer) paid all the cost and eventually made the company quite rich, but they only bought the end product, not the factories and labs, and test ranges needed to develop that product. |
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Granite City, IL
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| said by tshirt:said by Kearnstd:....because much of that plant is tax payer owned.
Very little of that plant is taxpayer owned. Yes Taxpayers paid for a lot of it, but not payments towards ownership, but payments to direct it's growth in a way that gov'ts (mostly federal, but some state and local influance) decided best fit the public need. No different then the penagon paying for massive development of weapon X, yes the gov't (customer) paid all the cost and eventually made the company quite rich, but they only bought the end product, not the factories and labs, and test ranges needed to develop that product. everyone seems to miss or forget that point quite often.
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I hope your talking about Fixed wireless is the future not mobile wireless because mobile wireless is not the future but a other failure just like like the dsl market.
Because are you willing to pay 5-15 dollars per GB if you go over your monthly cap plan? |
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Pompano Beach, FL Reviews:
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Re: AT&T or Verizon didn't say totally abandon voice markets At&t has pretty much already written off me and all neighbors on my block.
I went wireless/t-mobile and saved 60-70$ each month.
Really crappy/unreliable aDSL due to nearby double pair Uverse installs.
Voice service(low volume) is/was also a crapshoot.
Bonus.. Free caller id/waiting for no extra charge(another $10-14/mo @at&t).. |
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Washington, DC
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| Time for Some Preemptive Strikes The only way to keep the incumbents from screwing copper customers completely is to quickly push through laws that forbid selling wireline markets without maintaining a performance bond for 10 years after the sale closes (or until the acquiring company gets things straightened out) to go to refunding customers for service issues that arise from boobytraps in the deal. And, if they want to yank DSL to replace it with LTE (or come back after selling off the wireline market to compete against the legacy DSL service), then they shall be required to sell it for the same price point as DSL when they exited, and that caps or speed restrictions of any kind are permanently banned.
That would make it very unattractive to just dump markets outright. The last thing they want is to see themselves trapped by not being able to rake in the dough from data overages. DC is already kicking around a number of variations of this since VZ is hemming and hawing about having to satisfy the 100% footprint including MDUs requirement in their agreement, since it would force them to compete head-on with their BFF Comcast. VZ has hinted a few times that once they declare the FiOS rollout "finished" here they intend to start dismantling copper wireline citywide. ("Finished" in their book means they have a certain number of addresses in a ZIP code or Ward wired, regardless of the take rate.) DC is funny in that it could well slap on such rules since we do have a lot of rabid community activists here whom the District Council actually fear more than VZ or Comcast.
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Re: Time for Some Preemptive Strikes Or tie any future Wireless expantion/swaps to full coverage if they are the ILEC.
Such as, AT&T wants to gobble up a regional wireless carrier where they provde phone, no prob as soon as the footprint has POTS, DSL, uVerse 100% coverage, then you can buy them.
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Want to pull out as the ILEC, you also lose any Wireless spectrum, ALL or nothing. You cant dump a market to then come back with a diffrent division to rape and pillage with both in what you charge, but also screwing over the company you dumped it on. |
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Re: sad factoid When your community lets you down, the only thing to do is... well, MOVE! |
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WhatNowPremium
join:2009-05-06
Charlotte, NC | reply to mmay149q
Re: My question to these ISP's In most cases muni will not help the areas they are dropping. The towns are normally covered it is rural customers just outside the small and even large cities that get left out. I believe the munis unless the county wide will hurt the rural customers even more. Many of the rural customers if they get a decent signal drop their landline for their cell phone which provides even less money to support the equipment needed for DSL. Why should one company be forced to provide service at a loss. I just don't see libertarian candidates supporting muni paid for systems.
As much as I would love to have FTTH I only agree with a government muni system county wide and the money only be provided as start up money. It should not be guaranteed by tax money but total self supported by the customers. The company should have to pay the same taxes as if they were private. If the muni system is setup as a private company would I agree. I do not agree with the road blocks set up by the legacy companies as long as it is not as government company.
I would suggest some type of attached wireless antenna attached to the house and the wireless charge would be the same as DSL in none served areas. |
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