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Comments on news posted 2012-07-19 19:29:37: Last month Verizon raised the bar for residential broadband (and high prices) when they announced their new Quantum FiOS tiers, which included a new top shelf 300 Mbps downstream, 65 Mbps upstream tier for $205 a month. ..

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Os
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Sorry Comcast

Unless Comcast is planning on unveiling this without a cap or overage fees, Verizon still wins.

syslock
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Things that make you go Hummmmm.

Really? What network upgrades are they doing?
They jam pack the nodes full of subs.

How are paying customers of that service going to get those speeds
if they are on a node that's totally bloated with subs?

Are they slowing down the other subs to allow the traffic
from the high paying subs to go thru first?
09129800 (banned)
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Comcast, more like Comcap

So, what's the bandwidth cap gonna be on this one, Comcrap?

Seems like the perfect plan to rack up thousands of dollars in overage fees.

Meanwhile, in Verizon FiOS land... transferring 10+ terabytes of data every month doesn't get you a peep because Verizon has NO CAPS.

Like having your wallet raped? Look no further than Comcap's new 305 Mbps speed tier, complete with 300 GB bandwidth cap which you will be able to exceed in less than 3 hours at that speed and $10 overage fees per 50 additional GB used - which will allow for potentially racking up $650 in overage fees within a single day! That's right, at 305 Mbps you can download over 3 terabytes of data in one day.

Isn't the current direction America is heading when it comes to broadband looking grand?

There is not a single person who is looking for this kind of speed who will go for Comcap's bandwidth capped trash over Verizon's offering.

io chico
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How about expanding?

Still can't get cable in many markets.
Kamus
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So who gives a damn?

Really? they could unlock the full speed of their backbone and i still wouldn't give a damn since they have caps or overages.
etaadmin
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Re: How about expanding?

... unlike FiOS that you can get almost everywhere.
Cobra11M
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hmmm

they have that capacity?!?! I mean I know that cable can do up to what? 10gbps ? but your turnin off everythin else to get to that...

not to mention do they really think they can handle that many people downloading off that? but then again at those speeds you wouldn't have a problem with congestion really since the downloads would be finished quick.. It will be interesting to see how far they can push the upstream.. and maybe possibility of expanding this threw out their network?

but then again at 250gb or even 350 you would blow threw your cap like crazy and that might be the idea...

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Re: How about expanding?

said by io chico:

Still can't get cable in many markets.

You can get it in a lot more markets than you can get Fios.

ArrayList
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Re: Things that make you go Hummmmm.

quote:
How are paying customers of that service going to get those speeds
if they are on a node that's totally bloated with subs?
QoS, my friend.

jack b
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What's the big deal...

Fios is not even being built-out anywhere, anymore.

If it doesn't pass you now, it likely never will.

All the Fios promos I get to see are a total waste of their advertising money.

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Re: How about expanding?

rradina
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What's the min ACK bandwidth for 305Mbps?

Depending on the TCP receive window, one could chew through quite a bit of upstream bandwidth to sustain 305Mbps down. I'd guess north of 5Mbps would be consumed by ACKs unless a large receive window is used. Depending on quality, too large a window would kill performance if there are too many retransmits.

It would seem only fair if they provided at least 20Mbps up for 305Mbps down to keep the receive window reasonable and not require ultra low latency to the source server.
etaadmin
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Re: Sorry Comcast

said by Os:

Unless Comcast is planning on unveiling this without a cap or overage fees, Verizon still wins.

I have a hunch it will be unlimited... just like TWC's top Docsis3.0 plans.

If Verizon charges $200+ for their 300 Mbps plan maybe Comcast will charge the same amount and at $200 per subscriber they and their subscribers will be very happy.

cdru
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Re: Things that make you go Hummmmm.

said by ArrayList:

QoS, my friend.

So either the 305 sub is going to get a big "up yours" and not get to actually use the 305mbit service they pay for, or all the other subs are going to get an "up yours" when the 305 mbit sub gets all that (s)he is paying for.

QOS doesn't magically make more bandwidth appear.

somms
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Verizon and Comcast e-penis size fail!

Meanwhile, while Verizion and Comcast are trying to one-up each other's E-penis size...Google rolls out their FTTH symmetrical 1Gbps/1Gbps service in KC making them both look like chumps!

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Re: What's the big deal...

Not true, verizon is still doing plenty of building in already franchised towns/cities.
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Re: Sorry Comcast

None of their existing tiers are unlimited unless you go business class. Not sure why the 305 tier would be different.

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Splitting Nodes

I bet they're going to be increasing the node density quite a bit.

Keep in mind:

8 channels = 343.04 (304) Mbit/s.

So they're going to have to deploy at least 16 downstream channels and that'll even be a stretch.

syslock
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Re: Things that make you go Hummmmm.

And we have a winner! lol
Exactly what I was thinking.
etaadmin
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Re: Sorry Comcast

said by Moffetts:

None of their existing tiers are unlimited unless you go business class. Not sure why the 305 tier would be different.

Because caps are basically a money grab and when you charge for something at a high price you are already getting what you wanted besides 300 Mbps with caps doesn't make any sense.

Like I said it is only a 'hunch'... we'll see.

beans
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caps

Even at 305 mbps, depending upon what you download, you won't get to the cap faster then somebody with 20 mpbs. You might get the file faster, but unless you are doing multiple streams of porn or bitthieft then you won't hit the cap if you are just doing single streams of anything.

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Re: Verizon and Comcast e-penis size fail!

The chump is Google, who will be covering a virtual SPEC on the United States map.

Also, nobody will be using that 1000Mbps. Id like to use an analogy of buying a Corvette that does 200 mph, when only a select areas have an 85Mph limit. Wasted speed. At least a Corvette LOOKS GOOD.

Im sure your living room looks wonderful with that 1Gbps modem. lol

Ultibeam
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Upstream and caps?

Great downstream isn't all that great if you're stuck with a measly 10 or 20 Mbps upstream. Also, something FiOS has a huge advantage is no caps. Cable has a lot of headroom in it to be competitive with fiber but it requires a lot of changes. Firstly, television streams need to have better compression, either fully switch to mpeg4 or h.265 (High Efficiency Video Coding).

This is only competitive if it includes two things: 1. No caps 2. The same or more upstream over FiOS
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Re: Things that make you go Hummmmm.

said by cdru:

said by ArrayList:

QoS, my friend.

So either the 305 sub is going to get a big "up yours" and not get to actually use the 305mbit service they pay for, or all the other subs are going to get an "up yours" when the 305 mbit sub gets all that (s)he is paying for.

QOS doesn't magically make more bandwidth appear.

What you both missed is that silicon today is able to bond 16, 32 downstream channels and more than 8 upstream channels. With docsis3.x load balancing it won't be any problems for anyone in the same node.

I would be surprised if Comcast use 'regular' 8 downstream/4 upstream docsis3.0 modems for this plan.

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Re: Upsteam and caps?

300meg with caps. Whats the point?

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Re: What's the min ACK bandwidth for 305Mbps?

said by rradina:

Depending on the TCP receive window, one could chew through quite a bit of upstream bandwidth to sustain 305Mbps down. I'd guess north of 5Mbps would be consumed by ACKs unless a large receive window is used. Depending on quality, too large a window would kill performance if there are too many retransmits.

It would seem only fair if they provided at least 20Mbps up for 305Mbps down to keep the receive window reasonable and not require ultra low latency to the source server.

Comcast already provides 20 Mbps on its upstream for their 105 Mbps downstream tier. I suspect they woud provide more for a 305 Mbps tier.

newview
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Bet it'll cost an arm & a leg

quote:
... sources tell Broadband Reports that Comcast is planning to offer a 305 Mbps downstream tier sometime before the end of the year in FiOS markets.
All well and good ... but who the hell can afford it?

Cable HSI bills higher than car payments?
Pretty damn ridiculous.
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Re: Things that make you go Hummmmm.

said by ArrayList:

quote:
How are paying customers of that service going to get those speeds
if they are on a node that's totally bloated with subs?
QoS, my friend.

I'm guessing channel bonding. It is DOCSIS 3.
mmay149q
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Re: Sorry Comcast

said by Os:

Unless Comcast is planning on unveiling this without a cap or overage fees, Verizon still wins.

True that, to be honest I just wish Verizon would completely own Comcast when they release this tier, by releasing their 300Mbps tier with 300Mbps on the upload as well, it would show that copper really can't compare to fiber...

Matt
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Whats more interesting

is that it took Comcast exactly one month to respond to Verizon's FiOS new 300 Mbps plan. June 18, 2012 Verizon announces quantum, today July 19, 2012 Comcast announces 305 Mbps.

That says a lot about the potential of docsis3.x... and at a fraction of the cost for deploying FiOS.
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