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 ·DSL EXTREME
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| No landline here Nope I'm dry loop here and I'm not a Verizon customer anymore, My ISP(which is in the Verizon area) is DSL Extreme, I doubt I'll be moving to TW cable and I sure don't want LTE at all, not for what Verizon charges, they can keep that and stick the prices for LTE where the sun doesn't shine... |
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| Oooooooh! Thank God the telcos pushed through legislation preventing municipal broadband. With LTE and high-priced overages, they can bend us over and give us some good "luvin". |
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| said by Ben Dover :Thank God the telcos pushed through legislation preventing municipal broadband. With LTE and high-priced overages, they can bend us over and give us some good "luvin".
LTE= the new satellite did you hear? |
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 IowaCowboyWant to go back to IowaPremium
join:2010-10-16
Springfield, MA
·Comcast
 ·Verizon Broadban..
| I still keep a landline I prefer to have a landline as I have a home security system and I like having enhanced 911 capability (where the 911 dispatcher can see the exact address of the 911 call as opposed to a general location, especially in a duplex where they can see what side of the duplex the call is originating from). I also like having a landline as you are much less likely to have a call drop, especially when calling an 800 number that makes you push the "0" key 95 times to get put in queue for an operator and then you wait on hold for about 5 hours before getting a live operator. I have had calls on cell phones that have dropped when calling an 800 number and you have to call back and you get someone else and you have to explain the situation all over again.
If Verizon really wanted to rid itself of union labor, they would use contractors to do outside plant work (like Comcast does all the time with installs). But considering they don't outsource all their techs, it seems to be a non-issue for them. |
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| It Doesn't Make Sense Unless cable makes the caps so punitive in nature, moreso than they are, Verizon isn't going to get people to switch to a fixed LTE product. I don't get how they benefit, unless there's some really awful collusion in place for VZ to get a kickback for every triple play sign-up.
As for the drive to kill unions in this country, that is systemic of almost all businesses and certainly of both political parties.
I also think it's a higher percentage than 35-45% of VZ's footprint that isn't going to be able to get FiOS. Granted, they've already sold off a lot, and I'm sure they'd like to sell more if they can find someone dumb enough to buy the rural parts of MD, PA, NY and VA. |
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | said by osravens:Unless cable makes the caps so punitive in nature, moreso than they are, Verizon isn't going to get people to switch to a fixed LTE product. I don't get how they benefit ...
It could be that landline maintenance is so costly that even if no users switch to LTE, Verizon still saves money.
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 thegeekPremium
join:2008-02-21
right here
kudos:2
·Suddenlink
| What's the Problem? Get rid of costly labor. Increase prices. Reduce costs. How else is a business supposed to make a profit. I just don't see the problem here. The great thing is if you don't like it you can vote with your wallet and use a competitor. And last I checked internet is not a necessity, it is only a want. If you want it bad enough then you pay the prices required to get it. |
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Re: It Doesn't Make Sense Right, but how can LTE be profitable if nobody's using it?
$50 for 2GB of internet is just never going to be a price people are willing to pay unless they have no other choice.
Unless there's some tacit agreement to bring that pricing to cable, it's just never going to work for Verizon. And if that pricing comes to cable, we're honestly headed for economic gridlock and revolution. |
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Reviews:
 ·Verizon FiOS
 ·DIRECTV
·Optimum Online
·Cablevision
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I think LTE to rural is more their excuse to kill DSL, they don't seem to really care if rural users go to cable, as long as they can get out of maintaining copper.
But it seems short sighted to me to abandon 35 - 45% of your footprint, but most companies as short sighted these days as they follow the investors lead and desire short term profits. It's the same reason they killed the FIOS buildout. |
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Re: What's the Problem? You mean aside from incumbent phone and cable companies forming a massive cartel designed to kill all competitors while dramatically raising already high prices by cornering the market -- resulting in an actual reduction in modern phone and broadband connectivity? |
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Normal market forces don't really apply to broadband, where their are at most 2 or 3 options, in most cases 2 and in some places only 1.
Voting with your wallet doesn't work in this instance. |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7 | reply to zoom314
Re: No landline here said by zoom314:Nope I'm dry loop here and I'm not a Verizon customer anymore, My ISP(which is in the Verizon area) is DSL Extreme Who do you think owns and runs those dry loops? Hint: It's not DSL Extreme. One of the few things that Verizon would like to get rid of more then their copper users are ILEC's copper users. |
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Re: What's the Problem? I really want someone to slap you, and I'm willing to pay... |
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Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·Verizon FiOS
 ·voip.ms
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What kind of crap is that. A toilet isn't a need either but as civilized humans we have determined that running water is a societal benefit and hence sewer systems. People used to pour their crap on the sidewalks.
As for Internet, without it it is the same as not having running water or sewage. To succeed in an information society you need connectivity. If they can pull fiber in the poorest parts of the world, we can have it. When I was in India they were pulling fiber (massive spools) by digging trenches by hand and laying it by hand. It is a matter of priority and government willingness. Private corps will only go where there is maximum profit with minimal input --aka the juicy burbs.
If you put your head in the sand, the rest of the world gets it. We will become a third world country, wake up and wonder why. However the stockholders will be happy.
A few points:
1. Telco in the US is not open and competitive. They created a moat by lobbying and the fact the US never got around to requiring every home to have fiber connected to it--a "utility".
1a. How much waste is there when I have a coax, fiber, and an RJ11 jack sitting on the side of my house?
2. The ERA (electrical act) which allowed communities/coops to "self fund" and get folks on electricity has been bypassed by telco's forcing states to not allow this through legislation, now small communities are essentially at the mercy of these corporations.
3. The FCC is a rotating door of telco execs who pat each other on the back and form "rules" as such. If they don't like the outcomes, they take it to the courts which they have bought too through campaign funding.
4. Every one of these companies took PUBLIC money to build out their networks, and well they are not fulfilling their contract with the citizens.
5. If I wanted to start a WISP, I guarantee you it would take years to get through the red tape and getting easements or licensing making the cost prohibitive for an entrepreneur. You would be forced to run over an existing providers wire...
If you think people have a "vote" they do not. The deck has been stacked and the government is the enabler. I didn't grow up in the days of JP Morgan, Dupont, and all those other barons however I'm sure the populace felt the same way back in those days as people do today. |
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axus
join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC | reply to osravens
Re: It Doesn't Make Sense I think there are people who will pay that. It's less expensive than cable internet. |
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| Kind of sucks I know Wireless has made huge strides recently but I don't see it being a source for my broadband anytime soon... I'll go do cable (uggg) before I go to Wireless...
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·Comcast
·Frontier Communi..
1 edit | reply to thegeek
Re: What's the Problem? The arguments against rural broadband deployment are the same used a hundred years ago to oppose rural electrification.
"And last I checked electricity is not a necessity, it is only a want. If you want it bad enough then you pay the prices required to get it."
LTE is equivilant to the electric company selling you batteries instead of hooking your house up to the grid. |
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1 edit | reply to thegeek
People like you are ruining our once great country, destroying the middle class, and removing ther American Dream from sight forever. |
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Re: It Doesn't Make Sense Not when you factor in overage fees.
Even Grandma looking at e-mails is going over 2GB. |
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·Frontier Communi..
| reply to elefante72
Re: What's the Problem? said by elefante72:As for Internet, without it it is the same as not having running water or sewage.
Dumb analogy. Nobody ever got dysentery from a lack of internet access.
People in rural areas pay money to maintain wells and septic tanks. Strange how nobody advocates subsidizing those but a good number of people around here think that rural internet access should be subsidized. |
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