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Comments on news posted 2012-07-26 14:24:38: Google today finally took the wraps off of their 1 Gbps Google Fiber deployment in Kansas City, holding a press conference this morning at one of their new regional NOCs to finally give us some hard details. ..

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daake07

join:2011-06-28
Kearney, NE

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Google you could have done a better presentation.

I don't know about everyone else, but this makes me want to stab myself in the face. On the bright side, I guess they've dumbed this down as much as possible.

Although the likelihood of me moving to Kansas City seems to be increasing rather quickly.

Karl Bode
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Re: Google you could have done a better presentation.

Their audience plants are super enthusiastic.

somms

join:2003-07-28
Salt Lake City, UT

Re: Google you could have done a better presentation.

$70/month for 1Gbps makes the $300/month my ISP wants for the same fiber speed seem like a total ripoff!
daake07

join:2011-06-28
Kearney, NE

Re: Google you could have done a better presentation.

I take it your part of Utopia, I have to say they are my least FTTH system. I looked at several of the rates from different providers and none of them were much better than what cable could typically offer.

somms

join:2003-07-28
Salt Lake City, UT

Re: Google you could have done a better presentation.

said by daake07:

I take it your part of Utopia, I have to say they are my least FTTH system. I looked at several of the rates from different providers and none of them were much better than what cable could typically offer.

Yes, my ISP is XMission offering service thru Utopia.

Right now, I'm paying $45/month for 100Mbps symmetrical service. I sent an email containing Google's gigabit fiber announcement pricing link off to XMission inquiring if they may be revisiting their $300/month pricing for the Utopia FTTH 1Gbps symmetrical tier in the future due to Google's announcement. XMission emailed back:

As to Google, let's just say it is now evident why they decided not to
make this an open access network. We would lose literally thousands of
dollars per subscriber attempting to provide gig service at that price
(which I think Google is willing to do). In fact, $300 is a loss to us
in most circumstances. Just the wholesale UTOPIA access fees that we
pay per user are several times larger than that.

I know, part of me wants to move to KC, too But I'd settle for a
UTOPIA city in the meantime.

firephoto
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said by somms:

$70/month for 1Gbps makes the $300/month my ISP wants for the same fiber speed seem like a total ripoff!

It's about the same thing here. Wireless connection on their Canopy system is $40-70 a month but if you can get fiber the lowest speed that is the same as the fastest wireless is double the price or more plus install.
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iansltx

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I'd be enthusiastic too if I could get gigabit symmetric for $70 per month. Wouldn't bat an eye at signing a one year contract.

thegeek
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Kansas City is much better than Kearney, NE. I've lived in all three towns of the butt hole triangle of Nebraska. I'd never consider it again.

Hopefully Google gets to expanding their fiber plant as they missed me by about 15 miles.

Simba7
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join:2003-03-24
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Re: Google you could have done a better presentation.

said by thegeek:

Hopefully Google gets to expanding their fiber plant as they missed me by about 15 miles.

Heck, I'd invest in a pair of Ubiquiti AirFiber antennas for that.

EDIT: Scratch that. 13km (~8mi) max without rain. Even worse with it.
xenophon

join:2007-09-17
For details from locals tracking this, check this thread...

»forum.kcrag.com/viewtopic.php?f=···tart=500

HaloFans

join:2006-12-18

Time to make the USA ISPs look even worse. COMPETITION!

Go Google!

NWOhio2

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Re: Time to make the USA ISPs look even worse. COMPETITION!

And you do realize who owns those channels Google wants right? They can easily keep Google from getting them or demanding more $$$ for them. Google may think they have something, but they're a public company; those shareholders are going to want their $$$$ back and FAST. The same as VZ's did. You can bet they won't expand outside of this unless they raise rates.

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Info on announcement - don't sit thru presentation

»www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/31879···sas-city

»www.engadget.com/2012/07/26/goog···iber-tv/

fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
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Wonder how much all of this costs

Verizon's FiOS has a fraction of these features and claims to cost quite a bit per home passed. I wonder what this will cost and I wonder if Google is selling the service as a loss leader and using advertising to make up the difference?
mrjoshuaw

join:2001-12-27
Blue Springs, MO

Re: Wonder how much all of this costs

Think Data Mining and selling your info!
xenophon

join:2007-09-17

Re: Wonder how much all of this costs

»fiber.google.com/plans/residential/

fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
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Re: Wonder how much all of this costs

No, I mean how much it costs THEM.

Eddy120876

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Say Hello to fast data mining and info sale at the speed of light...LOL

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Re: Wonder how much all of this costs

ISPs are already doing it, so what else is new?

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You don't think your current ISP isn't already doing that?
sonicmerlin

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Google doesn't expect a 43% profit margin the way Verizon gets from its wireless subs. They're quite willing to dump a free service (Android in smartphones, the 5 mbps for free with this project) for longterm growth and mindshare. Hopefully if this experiment proves successful they'll expand to other non-FIOS markets.

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Re: Wonder how much all of this costs

said by sonicmerlin:

Hopefully if this experiment proves successful they'll expand to other non-FIOS markets.

Never happen. Google won't make money on this. It is pure PR BS to get their name out there as the good guy. It is an advertising campaign and nothing more.
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dib22

join:2002-01-27
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Re: Wonder how much all of this costs

said by FFH5:

Never happen. Google won't make money on this. It is pure PR BS to get their name out there as the good guy. It is an advertising campaign and nothing more.

Awww... well if CableTelcoUSA returns to a fair pricing model then google will stop with KC, if not...
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Re: Wonder how much all of this costs

said by dib22:

Awww... well if CableTelcoUSA returns to a fair pricing model then google will stop with KC, if not...

...Google will still stop with KC.

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said by FFH5:

said by sonicmerlin:

Hopefully if this experiment proves successful they'll expand to other non-FIOS markets.

Never happen. Google won't make money on this. It is pure PR BS to get their name out there as the good guy. It is an advertising campaign and nothing more.

And this is different from typical incumbent provider nonsense...how?
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Re: Wonder how much all of this costs

said by coldmoon:

said by FFH5:

said by sonicmerlin:

Hopefully if this experiment proves successful they'll expand to other non-FIOS markets.

Never happen. Google won't make money on this. It is pure PR BS to get their name out there as the good guy. It is an advertising campaign and nothing more.

And this is different from typical incumbent provider nonsense...how?

Funny stuff. Pro business people apparently only like the ones that skimp on infrastructure and squeeze out more dollars without always paying the bills.

If google pays all costs, marks some money for build out, and has exactly one penny or more leftover it seems like a very successful project. All the arm chair CEO's and economists who want cheap products and shoddy infrastructure while making piles of cash to give out to good old boy types are what drives this countries people towards the bottom.
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Crookshanks

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Re: Wonder how much all of this costs

said by firephoto:

Funny stuff. Pro business people apparently only like the ones that skimp on infrastructure and squeeze out more dollars without always paying the bills.

If google pays all costs, marks some money for build out, and has exactly one penny or more leftover it seems like a very successful project.

Sorry, that's not how business works. Your example is only valid if there was no other product Google could have invested their time and money into. Google has a fiduciary duty to its shareholders to invest its time and money into projects that net the highest possible profit margin.

As an example, Verizon isn't abandoning wireline because it isn't profitable. They are abandoning it because wireless is more profitable. Building out the LTE network is simply a better use of capital than building out the wireline network. This calculation may well change once the wireless network and market fully matures but for the time being it would be fiduciary negligence for them to invest their limited resources into a product with a lower ROI than wireless.

Getting back to the original point, I'm not sure what Google's long term goal is here. At their core they are a content and advertising company; I doubt they are willing to get into the last mile business on a nationwide scale. That would make as much sense as Verizon going into the search engine business or ExxonMobile trying to compete with McDonalds.
Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06

Re: Wonder how much all of this costs

Most profitable? Shouldn't they get out of the internet business and sell hookers and blow instead?
Cobra11M

join:2010-12-23
Mineral Wells, TX
said by Crookshanks:

said by firephoto:

Funny stuff. Pro business people apparently only like the ones that skimp on infrastructure and squeeze out more dollars without always paying the bills.

If google pays all costs, marks some money for build out, and has exactly one penny or more leftover it seems like a very successful project.

Sorry, that's not how business works. Your example is only valid if there was no other product Google could have invested their time and money into. Google has a fiduciary duty to its shareholders to invest its time and money into projects that net the highest possible profit margin.

As an example, Verizon isn't abandoning wireline because it isn't profitable. They are abandoning it because wireless is more profitable. Building out the LTE network is simply a better use of capital than building out the wireline network. This calculation may well change once the wireless network and market fully matures but for the time being it would be fiduciary negligence for them to invest their limited resources into a product with a lower ROI than wireless.

Getting back to the original point, I'm not sure what Google's long term goal is here. At their core they are a content and advertising company; I doubt they are willing to get into the last mile business on a nationwide scale. That would make as much sense as Verizon going into the search engine business or ExxonMobile trying to compete with McDonalds.

agreed companies have a obligation to stockholders.. I think google is showing the president, and sen/house why we need it, weather the cable companies like it or not fiber is the future and we all know this.. cable cant even get 50 mbps up for crying out loud, and it starting to show that they over charge big time for their tv services people are smarting up and seeing what the internet can do for them, I think in 10 years or less we will start to see fiber running threw major states (and it wont be provided by the likes of AT&T or cable co. but possibly the gov which seems to keep on spending at this point and time.. I could be wrong and this could be just my speculation) still none the less cable and AT&T, Verizon will have their day when they will loose to fiber

as shown on the video 1000mbps almost.., they where able to upload everything 10x faster or more.. upload is starting to become a major thing in the internet with more and more cloud idk if the cable co's will actually go for it (Comcast will, but the smaller ones like suddenlink, my provider, its seems they wont mess with it)

FLATLINE

join:2007-02-27
Buffalo, NY

Re: Wonder how much all of this costs

Oh please stop with this obligation to the stockholders nonsense. If you believe that then your a fool like the rest of them. Real business people will tell you their obligation is to the customer. Only then are you really looking out for the stockholders. Put the customer first, run a decent business, and the stockholders will profit. Putting the stockholders first inevitably alienates the customer. Want examples? Just look around. Who's missing? Who's been in trouble for years. Its just a lousy policy that will only take you so far and as we have seen can ruin some of the biggest and best.

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said by Crookshanks:

Sorry, that's not how business works. Your example is only valid if there was no other product Google could have invested their time and money into. Google has a fiduciary duty to its shareholders to invest its time and money into projects that net the highest possible profit margin.

They have a responsibility to their majority shareholders. Everyone else can come or go as they please with their minor investments.

There is a very limited number of people at the top of Google with full control of the investment into the company, everyone else is just along for the ride.
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said by Crookshanks:

Getting back to the original point, I'm not sure what Google's long term goal is here. At their core they are a content and advertising company; I doubt they are willing to get into the last mile business on a nationwide scale.

Competition. I think they want to turn up the heat to get ISPs providing better Internet at a more affordable rate so that they can provide more compelling content.
It is the same reason they built their own browser. For the longest time they backed Firefox, but after it became clear to them that the Firefox codebase was in too bad a shape to provide the sort of fast-moving innovation they wanted to see in browsers, they started their own. The result has been very successful as Firefox and IE have struggled to keep pace with Chrome, but at the same time are almost definitely faster and more standards compliant than they would otherwise be.
Google doesn't want to be in the ISP or browser business, but since their product rides on top of both, they have a huge interest in making sure these two technologies are pushing forward as fast as possible.
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said by Crookshanks:

Sorry, that's not how business works. Your example is only valid if there was no other product Google could have invested their time and money into. Google has a fiduciary duty to its shareholders to invest its time and money into projects that net the highest possible profit margin.

This is indeed how business works -- in economics textbooks. In practice, though, companies practical vertical integration even when it doesn't make sense. I suspect they do it for the same reason that they pursue value-destroying mergers -- it allows executives to build empires and bolster their clout at the company.

The classic example is the integrated oil company. Almost all the profit is in the crude oil extraction. Yet most of the majors still operate refiners and gas stations, which are essentially breakeven businesses. Only a few have been willing to divest, even though it would improve their capital efficiency.

Right now, Kansas City is a hobby for Google. But if Google were to decide to vertically integrate, though, it would not be the first time that a company made a decision based on non-economic considerations.

Also, tech investors seem to be a lot more tolerant of hobbies than utility investors. Microsoft lost money on Xbox for ten years before finally breaking into the black. If an electric utility were to go out and frack some natural gas, their shareholders would revolt.
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said by FFH5:

said by sonicmerlin:

Hopefully if this experiment proves successful they'll expand to other non-FIOS markets.

Never happen. Google won't make money on this. It is pure PR BS to get their name out there as the good guy. It is an advertising campaign and nothing more.

You are pretty bitter about this it seems. Major Debbe Downer.

ArrayList
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Re: Wonder how much all of this costs

Yep, industry shills usually are.
me1212

join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO
Google gets a lot of money from data mining with its search engine alone, being the whole isp and getting to mine everything yeah theres money there. Not a typical isp strategy but it should work for google.
iansltx

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Austin, TX
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What are they advertising?

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d1gw33d

join:2009-06-20
Clovis, CA
You're assuming too much and your snarky remark of it being "PR BS to get their as the good guy" is needless. The incumbent ISP's have price gouged customers with consistent rate hikes, implemented data caps, practice anti competitive business and provide awful customer support. Not to mention the fact they twist any regulation into a shell of its beginings and use them to squash any start ups.

Odd stance from you considering your blatant political leanings that you feel the need to slap on the left and bottom of all your posts.

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ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
said by FFH5:

said by sonicmerlin:

Hopefully if this experiment proves successful they'll expand to other non-FIOS markets.

Never happen. Google won't make money on this. It is pure PR BS to get their name out there as the good guy. It is an advertising campaign and nothing more.

I wouldn't be so quick to jump to that conclusion. Yes, this is a good PR/press move, but it's more than that. Google makes money off visitors. Now, they don't need their own network for that, assuming the incumbent ISP's deliver those visitors, but you have companies like AT&T saying they want to be paid for carrying Google's traffic. Google doesn't want to pay them and set such a precedent, so a nice way around that is to build their own network.

Now consider the moneymaking part of this. Why do you assume Google can't make money here? The incumbents are doing quite nicely, and many of them are hampered by the limitations of old technology infrastructure. Google is free to build all-fiber networks that can do laps around the incumbents in terms of speed. If they price competitively, they'll get customers, not only because of price but also because of their immediate brand recognition and also because many people don't like their current provider too much. And, even if they only break even, they're still making money on getting the site visitors they need. And, if they decide to bail on fiber later on, they can get a lot of money by selling those networks and subscribers to someone else. They could even include a stipulation that the buyer not try to charge them to deliver visitors to their sites.

Finally, they can always use fiber as a club to hold over the heads of the incumbents. "If you won't play nice with us, we'll drop fiber networks into your territory and steal your customers."

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Re: Wonder how much all of this costs

said by ISurfTooMuch:

Finally, they can always use fiber as a club to hold over the heads of the incumbents. "If you won't play nice with us, we'll drop fiber networks into your territory and steal your customers."

I hope they use those exact words.
tanzam75

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said by ISurfTooMuch:

Now consider the moneymaking part of this. Why do you assume Google can't make money here? The incumbents are doing quite nicely, and many of them are hampered by the limitations of old technology infrastructure.

But Google is changing the economics of the market by overbuilding. The incumbent may have been doing well in a duopoly -- but when you split customers 3 ways, then there's less cash to any one entity.

There's also the likely competitive response. Because infrastructure is a fixed cost, the incumbent will be willing to respond with lower prices and eating into margins. This is good for the consumer because it reduces prices. However, it presents the new entrant with a tough competitive situation. As soon as Verizon installed fiber in a neighborhood, the cable companies would offer targeted discounts that reduced the FiOS take rate.

This is why cable overbuilders have historically had such a hard time of it. RCN, for example, went bankrupt. Even Verizon, which is a much richer company, stopped the FiOS buildout due to disappointing returns-on-investment.

Of course, Google is in a different situation, because telecoms is not their primary business. Their primary motivation is likely the ancillary benefits, rather than the profit on the network itself.

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a very very very expensive "advertising campaign"
AKA06

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said by FFH5:

said by sonicmerlin:

Hopefully if this experiment proves successful they'll expand to other non-FIOS markets.

Never happen. Google won't make money on this. It is pure PR BS to get their name out there as the good guy. It is an advertising campaign and nothing more.

So? If anything this should prove that the incumbents are simply resting on their laurels and that the model can be done better. And, if early reaction and interest is any indication, do so quite embarassingly.
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said by sonicmerlin:

Google doesn't expect a 43% profit margin the way Verizon gets from its wireless subs. They're quite willing to dump a free service (Android in smartphones, the 5 mbps for free with this project) for longterm growth and mindshare.

The service is not free. It costs $300.

Not a bad deal.

But not free.

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NWOhio2

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Did you not realize their shareholders are going to DEMAND their money back off this build. If they don't make their $$$ they will sell this system and someone at Google will be out on the street and QUICK.

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Re: Wonder how much all of this costs

said by NWOhio2 :

Did you not realize their shareholders are going to DEMAND their money back off this build. If they don't make their $$$ they will sell this system and someone at Google will be out on the street and QUICK.



I live in Kansas city and judging from the amount of people who can't wait to pre order this service I would say you have about a 0% chance of being correct.

South Korea ISP's charge about 35 ~ 40 USD for 100/100 fiber in major metro areas, so google will do just fine.

They are using basically the same business model. Cheap prices and no customer service.

That's how its done overseas and people figure it out just fine.

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Nothing is free. I do not care if Google "claims" it is free. As others have pointed out, this is a PR stunt, just like the wireless spectrum nonsense, and Google selling its own device, which still was under carrier control.

And companies do have an obligation to their shareholders. You don't have to believe that, but it is true.

Google will milk this for the free PR, and then the real costs will end up hitting the end users, just you watch.

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Re: Wonder how much all of this costs

Yes, because 18 months to install a city is just unacceptable.

This I feel is half the problem. Many business want huge returns right now, immediately--- or by the end of next quarter. This is often fueled by the Street. 2 years out? Unacceptable!

Honestly, if I had to wait the full 18 months to get that fiber, I'd STILL be delighted.
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Lol I just have to laugh with how ignorant most people are. it is claimed that this project cost between 350-500 million and for sure Google is going to make back their money for this project in as little as 3 years. Information is what Google makes money from. Being able to collect data from usage, to search queries, to search trends and everything is worth hundreds of millions a year by itself. It cost almost nothing to provide internet services when you consider the profits made. This project is going to succeed and it is going to spread to other cities, because it will be the project that most people compare their shitty services to.

Remember when everyone wanted Fios to come to their town, now everyone is going to want Google to come to their town. The cost of fiber optic cable is as cheap as chips. You can buy fiber for as low as $120 a kilometer, so that $300 that Google charge for installation can wire more than 1 and a half kilometer and still have room to pay for modem and installation.

North Americans have been fool for so long about the real cost of providing internet that it boggles the mind that it could be so cheap and still make money. DON'T YOU ALL GET IT YET, THE ISPS HAVE LIED TO US.
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Re: Google gets my vote.

Well said

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said by saneblane :

$120 a kilometer

That is funny. What is a kilometer? It must be about ten feet.
clbowen2

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Cleveland, OH

Price?

And how much is this?

Also, I want it!

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morbo
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Impressive pricing options

The pricing and packages are impressive. Incumbents beware.

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Show interest?

google.com/fiber and raise your hand. 10$ bucks please. Go harass your neighbors if you want a fiberhood.

Man this is going to be funny seeing neighborhoods go ape over this trying to get installed.

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Re: Show interest?

yeah, over the next 6 weeks, imagine the $ they'll raise with $10 per person interested!

said by AndyDufresne:

google.com/fiber and raise your hand. 10$ bucks please. Go harass your neighbors if you want a fiberhood.

Man this is going to be funny seeing neighborhoods go ape over this trying to get installed.


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Ouch

Just how bad does this make incumbent telcos and cablecos look?

This is an incredible product. One thing that should also be noted is that it appeared that there will not be any standard definition channels on Google Fiber TV.

Go get it, KC. No wonder Time Warner was terrified, 1Gbps/1Gbps $30 less than their 50/5 service.
Wilsdom

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Re: Ouch

I imagine the cablecos do have painful paper cuts from rolling around in their piles of cash
Cobra11M

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Mineral Wells, TX
said by Os:

Just how bad does this make incumbent telcos and cablecos look?

This is an incredible product. One thing that should also be noted is that it appeared that there will not be any standard definition channels on Google Fiber TV.

Go get it, KC. No wonder Time Warner was terrified, 1Gbps/1Gbps $30 less than their 50/5 service.

we know cable co's across our great country charges more for less than anyone in the world.., as a great country I think its about time we move on from the copper wire!
xenophon

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TWC response

Will be interesting to see how TWC responds. The areas of KCMO and KCK mentions are all TWC territory. I have TWC and in the area mentioned (midtown KCMO). Will be calling TWC soon and see what they'll offer to keep me (even though I'll dump them anyway).

Edit: TWC and ATT have made statements...
»www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/b···12-07-26

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SunnyD

join:2009-03-20
Madison, AL

Eh hem...

Google's also offering a third package of 5 Mbps, 1 Mbps up for free for users who aren't quite ready to jump into the 1 Gbps pool. Users simply have to pay the $300 installation fee, which they can pay in one lump sum, or pay in $25 a month increments for the first year.

We'll assume that monitoring and selling your entire home's connectivity and usage data to interested parties comes free of charge.
I would GLADLY give up my data usage history for FREE unmetered 5Mbps down/1Mbps up connectivity. As I've been quoted on another tech forum - Google can datamine my ass for all I care as long as they give me unmetered, unrestricted bandwidth in exchange.

Everyone has their price.

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SHABAZZ

join:2008-07-13
Seattle, WA

Wow

This is amazing. Google needs to wire Socal...

tshirt
Premium
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:5
Reviews:
·Comcast

Become a google whore...

.. annoy your whole neighborhood into signing up first.
Accept no excuses, quit your day job, hammer on their doors night and day until they Buy! Buy! Buy!
The lady next door, tell her insulin is way over rated, she needs Gigabit.
The old guy in a wheel chair, tell him Oxygen network is free with Gigabit, and better for him than the kind in those overpriced cylinders.
That family down the street.. their kids don't need braces if the have Googlebit fiber.
And the couple getting their house repo'd should order 200 of the "free"packages, for a mere $60k of google fiber installs their house will increase in value $400k to $1 million in value, and they can float another loan.

Yeah the take rate will be high at these artifically low prices, I wonder if the EFT is 5 figures if you don't last the full 2 years.

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mech1164
I'll Be Back

join:2001-11-19
Lodi, NJ

Wonder

My question is how aggressive are they on this move. Is KS the one off showcase or the plan for the future. At this point all the cable co's are going to scramble if as I hope they expand fairly quickly now. We all know that Google took advantage of all the dark fiber that was laid in the last decade and we don't know how much they have. If ever there was a company to disrupt the cable co's and Telco's duopoly it's the Deep Pockets that Google has.

All I can say now is for the them to Spread out Fast. I want my Google Fiber NOW!

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tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
Reviews:
·ooma
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FiOS

telco fantasy

Obviously, nothing about telephony in this presentation.. $120 for internet and basic video only. This or a variation of this google rollout is what Verizon's FIOS would have been (couldn've should've, etc) had they not strayed from the path into investor greed, stock holder revolt, management micromanaging and white collar corporate parachutes & ladders, franchise dictatorships (my-way or the highway), cherry picking, selling out copper geographies, etc...

I dunno, a measly 5 megabits for free? If anything, they should have it at the fastest of what's offered by telco & cableco in the area as a demonstration of the difference between innovation and getting robbed by your (former) incumbents. Apparently, they are concerned about apathy to subscribe and PAY so the difference in speed has to be "VASTLY" faster vs 15, 25, 100 megabit for free. Why pay for gigablt when what you would pay $40, $50, $100 w/ an former incubment is free.. and that's my only complaint.. other than that, Kudos..

Nevertheless, if anyone (Kansas City or not) wants and Ooma for telephone... You'd think they'd throw in google voice integration for free if you buy internet or internet+video... NO?

»go.ooma.com/referral//?referral_code=WEZ4487


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AndyDufresne
Premium
join:2010-10-30
Chanhassen, MN

channel lineup

I don't see any Disney corp. channels- Disney or Espn. Praise Jesus.

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brianiscool

join:2000-08-16
Miami, FL
kudos:1

Might move now

I might move to Kansas City now.

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rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO

Is this all you can eat?

No meters, throttling or QOS for favored services?

While the price/performance is drop-dead fantastic, if it's just straight up connectivity with no limits, this is my vote for the most significant aspect of the service.

Not to spoil the party but I hope Google offers subscribers free prophylactics. Imagine a 5,000 device DOS attack with 1Gbps upload!
me1212

join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO

Re: Is this all you can eat?

Yep, all you can eat even the free 5/1.
axus

join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
All that stuff would cost Google more money than not bothering with them. I wonder how they will deal with the costs of the upcoming "Six Strikes" policy.

tshirt
Premium
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:5
Reviews:
·Comcast

Why...

Why... do you need a local 2TB box for video, if you have low latentcy Gigabit? this would be perfect for edge or cloud based DVR service.
Why... make every TV a WiFI AP, couldn't a few dongles on unused cable jacks cover even the largest house many time over? WiFI would be disappointingly slow after wired anyway.
Why... such an artifically low price, is service so bad that noone would buy at, say, fios or cable triple play pricing? Google trying to learn that if you offer all you can eat prime rib buffet for $1 a day, many will buy. What happens at $12.95 is a lot more interesting.

Once upon a time Netzero offered FREE and low priced ad supported packages and they were (briefly) popular, until people learned what "FREE" cost.

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sonicmerlin

join:2009-05-24
Cleveland, OH
kudos:1

Google Price Innovation

Wow 5 mbps free. Google finding a way to apply their web app and android business model to their ISP service... impressive. That's some truly amazing price innovation, and will utterly destroy the competition.

I'd like to think that because Google and its stock is essentially controlled by its founders, if this experiment turns out to be even mildly profitable Google will expand to other non FIOS-covered cities.

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hussle87
Premium
join:2008-01-06
Sykesville, MD

Fiber is the future

Maybe this announcement will kick verizon in the butt into rethinking a phase 2 of fios.

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