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Comments on news posted 2012-08-17 10:54:16: Time Warner Cable is one of many U.S. ISPs that has, for too long, beneffitted from little to no real competition in many of its markets. ..

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tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
Reviews:
·ooma
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FiOS

where it counts?

You'd think they'd do more hiring for PLANT upgrades and revise offerings maybe split some nodes and outside construction too? How about some FTTP? There's no reason you HAVE to stick with coax in the last mile? Afterall, google fiber is going coax inside the home too.. wouldn't it be nice to have an analogous product that can compete bit for bit? Don't expect docsis 4.0 to come flying out of R&D anytime soon to save you!

Time Warner better start offering at LEAST a 300mbit tier in the next 6 months or they won't have customers in overlapping geography.. playing the we're the town employer bit isnt' gonna do much.. Time Warner isn't walmart or a coal mining company.. and certainly not General (Sam) Motors.

Docsis 3 is no competition for gigabit fiber.. The only thing they can do is compete on price.. I'm looking for 300mbit for ~$50.. this somewhat approaches sanity in an apples to apples comparison. Afterall there is no mid-grade/half-way tier btw 5mbit and 1000mbit (for half the price.. $35-$50).. it's all 1000 or the free 5mbit service. That can pave the way for additional competition in the northeast, if it happens. Not holding breath.. TWC is a company that would have usage caps & overages if they could get away with it..


JasonOD

@comcast.net
300mbit for $50? By their own metrics they'd be losing money and would not be the best PR as their other markets are going to notice the major price disparity. TW's best bet might be to consider KC to be a 'lost' market, ignore google, and let the chips fall. Fibre's great, but google fibre is no threat to their overall business.

axus

join:2001-06-18
Washington, DC
Reviews:
·Comcast

Forgot about the cable companies!

AT&T is probably thinking good riddance. Time Warner has a lot to lose. If Google can overcome the barriers to entry anywhere, then Time Warner could lose lots of subscribers everywhere.

Really the best thing they could do is sell TV and internet at cost, and hope that Google is discouraged from spreading. I think there would be antitrust restrictions on funding below-cost prices here from internet/TV in other parts of the country.


LightS
Premium
join:2005-12-17
Greenville, TX
reply to tmc8080

Re: where it counts?

If they could do a 300/100 plan for around that price, and I didn't have google fiber available, I'd likely get it. However, with their current pricing model for that area, they will have to ramp up their infrastructure

I had Time Warner for the last 26 months and I was very fond of them. That being said, i'd take gfiber over TWC any day of the week if I had the choice..


Nightmare

@corpmailsvcs.com

Competition

WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT... Hold the phone. You mean, that JUST maybe.... that since google came into town, time Warner might be REQUIRED to compete on something???? but... but..... the market is already competitive.... you already have 1 other provider /Sarcasm

I suspect you will see Time Warner and (i think) ATT will start o offer prices just below googles price offering, abit slower speeds or offering to extend "promotional prices" if the customer tries to leave. Funny how that works, dont you think?

xenophon

join:2007-09-17
said by Nightmare :

I suspect you will see Time Warner and (i think) ATT will start o offer prices just below googles price offering, abit slower speeds or offering to extend "promotional prices"

They are starting out with pretty weak offers for now. Just offering free pay movie channels for certain period to try and get you locked into contract. I imagine once Gfiber starts rolling out TWC will offer something a little meatier, but maybe only for cancellation requests.

tgp1994

join:2010-10-06
reply to tmc8080

Re: where it counts?

said by tmc8080:

Afterall, google fiber is going coax inside the home too..

Wait, do you mean for standard televisions, or does all of the data on the fiber at some point come in over coaxial?


Gbcue
Premium
join:2001-09-30
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:8
reply to JasonOD
said by JasonOD :

their other markets are going to notice the major price disparity.

That's the point.


powerspec88
Premium
join:2007-03-11
Independence, MO
Reviews:
·SureWest Internet

Surewest

I wonder what Surewest is thinking. I'm sure that sooner or later Google Fiber will overlap with Surewest Fiber and Surewest is still stuck at 50/50 for $150 a month. I haven't heard them say anything in terms of speed increases or price drops anytime soon.
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Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
reply to axus

Re: Forgot about the cable companies!

Time Warner can make a big deal about saying we have.

MLB EI
NBA LP
NHL CI

ESPN

AMC (they make a big deal about Not being on DISH)

Time Warner channels

TNT

TBS

CNN

Disney

HBO and CINEMAX

FS / FSN / FOX channels.

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
reply to tmc8080

Re: where it counts?

What counts is the video package, not the ridiculous Gbit speeds.

Unless Google offers its TV lineup with their $300 "free" 5M tier, they will find themselves losing and ... leaving.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2
reply to tgp1994
Google Fiber can use WiFi, coax or Ethernet to connect its set top boxes to its "Storage Box" (DVR).

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2
reply to elray
Why the heck would they need to do that? You're shortchanging the fact that many folks don't want linear TV anymore. You can also continue to get TV from somewhere else.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·Verizon Online DSL
reply to Joe12345678

Re: Forgot about the cable companies!

Maybe TWC should push a video/voice double play in KC, since Google has no voice component (why should they? Sprint Android phones work just fine) and their TV service lacks some channels that TWC has. This means that Google will get a lot of 'net-only customers, sure, and it also means that those 'net-only customers will be just one upgrade away from video service, should Google decide to add more channels at better pricing than TWC. But it's probably better for TWC to take that risk than to spend ton upgrading its systems to match Google's.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·Verizon Online DSL

Double play...TWC can't compete on Internet

TWC's latest rental modems are 8x4 channel bonded. They top out at around 300/65 (aka Comcast's latest tier), realistically...and that's pushing it. TWC could get 24x8 modems to get closer to a gigabit down, but they'd have to upgrade their plant a ton to find 24 internet QAMs (and they'd probably want 32 to spread load).

In short, TWC can't compete on speed with GFiber. They can compete on price, but they're the cable company so they don't like doing that. Competing on price is DSL territory.

So what should TWC do? What it's better at than Google: TV (more channels) and phone (GFiber doesn't have it). Push TV service in the $50 range (maybe a bit more if there are some really good channels that Google doesn't have) and phone service in the $20 range (Sprint's home phone over CDMA service is $20) as part of a double play bundle, then send folks to Google for Internet since TWC can't compete there. Revenues will go down, but TWC doesn't have to upgrade their plant a ton to match (or even get close to) GFiber specs.


insomniac84

join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN
reply to Joe12345678

Re: Forgot about the cable companies!

Also, Time warner is cheaper than google for TV. Google is not being competitive on the tv price at all.

tmc8080

join:2004-04-24
Brooklyn, NY
Reviews:
·ooma
·Optimum Online
·Verizon FiOS
reply to JasonOD

Re: where it counts?

Maybe, but that doesn't justify hiring more people..
People may poo-poo hydrogen, natural gas, and electric cars as being on the fringe.. and a "LOSS LEADER" but when $5 - $10 gas arrives, they won't be poo-pooing it anymore..

Google has indicated they may expand if successful. Not that they'd necessarily target a TWC geography, but why not, if the response is going to be to hire a few token employees to stay loyal to the company.. that's like a mining town that keeps hiring miners after the mines close or have very little offer.

xenophon

join:2007-09-17
reply to Joe12345678

Re: Forgot about the cable companies!

said by Joe12345678:

Time Warner can make a big deal about saying we have.

MLB EI, etc...

Will be surprising if Google doesn't have most of those contracts signed before signing up first TV customer and the rest by end of year. Disney/ESPN has specifically said they are working with Google. AMC/Turner too.

You are forgetting one important thing!!

What you are all missing is that if you go with TWC's new tiered program they give you a $5.00 savings, who needs Google Fiber when you have metered data and a $5.00 discount?

Sarcastic of course


Eddy120876

join:2009-02-16
Bronx, NY

Time Warner give up in KC

You are competing with an incredible bandwidth that you will never achieve at the speed or price like Google. So Adios TW

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·EarthLink

1 recommendation

reply to iansltx

Re: where it counts?

said by iansltx:

Why the heck would they need to do that? You're shortchanging the fact that many folks don't want linear TV anymore. You can also continue to get TV from somewhere else.

Why?

Because given a choice, Mom is going to go with $70 for Cable TV+Broadband, not $120 for faster broadband and less video. Dad only wants his ESPN. Mom wants to keep Dad at home on the couch, not at the Sports Bar.

While it may seem dated and unsophisticated to you, the majority of households choose "Linear TV" as you call it.

Google didn't broker a new iTunes deal with the content industry, the networks or broadcasters to change the way in which their product is priced, bundled, and sold. They just made a faster pipe available in a beta town, which most people don't want or need except for bragging rights. The faster pipe will not induce [IPTV/OTT] video competition.

UnnDunn
Premium
join:2005-12-21
Brooklyn, NY
reply to tgp1994
Coax is more than adequate to deliver any sort of data around the home. And chances are you already have a perfectly serviceable in-home Coax network. No sense deploying an in-home Fiber or Ethernet network (at least, not for Google Fiber purposes) when you've got Coax right there.

hedyd4u
Premium
join:2003-12-16
Schenectady, NY

Who cares about TV

The TV packages are useless only the internet matters. 7,000 homes pre order in first week seems very low though since the major cost is the initial install and the amount of time that install needs to be active and paying before the initial costs are made up is not stated anywhere. I do want to see this succeed and would like to see google fiber in Schenectady NY. Verizon stopped fios in Schenectady and I am about 200 feet from a street that has it.

iansltx

join:2007-02-19
Austin, TX
kudos:2
Reviews:
·Time Warner Cable
·Verizon Online DSL
reply to elray

Re: where it counts?

Do you have linear TV? I notice that you've got a review there for Sonic.net...

I'd be curious to know the numbers on folks who derive enough value out of ESPN to pay the price for it. Because my bet is that the $70 TWC double play is going to cut corners somewhere...

Cobra11M

join:2010-12-23
Mineral Wells, TX

haha

haha this is funny, their forced to hire weather or not they want to cause of competition.., one day all of them will see the same fate, it comes down to weather or not they are willing to change or just stay the same

everything changes givin time


Katz

@swbell.net
reply to elray

Re: where it counts?

Just use rabitts ears antenna for local HD with google fiber!
And with user generated content who needs HBO, borring!

34764170

join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON
reply to tmc8080
said by tmc8080:

Afterall, google fiber is going coax inside the home too..

There's no point in using fiber within the home even up to 10Gb speeds.

Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL
reply to xenophon

Re: Forgot about the cable companies!

They don't have any TV customers yet?

then why say we have the Olympics channels that are now over.

tgp1994

join:2010-10-06
reply to UnnDunn

Re: where it counts?

said by UnnDunn:

Coax is more than adequate to deliver any sort of data around the home. And chances are you already have a perfectly serviceable in-home Coax network. No sense deploying an in-home Fiber or Ethernet network (at least, not for Google Fiber purposes) when you've got Coax right there.

So the idea is that for each machine, you get (or buy, I'm not sure which) a converter?

tanzam75

join:2012-07-19
reply to 34764170
said by 34764170:

There's no point in using fiber within the home even up to 10Gb speeds.

With fiber, you could take structured wiring to its logical conclusion. You could bundle it with the 120V electric cables. No electrons flowing = no cross-talk.

This would cut the install costs for new construction, while providing ubiquitous access to wired networking at every outlet. Plus, all the advantages that fiber carries in terms of future expandability.