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Comments on news posted 2012-08-20 14:46:32: With Motorola's freshly-acquired patents in tow, Google has jumped into an already heated patent war by filing suit against Apple via Motorola, claiming that Apple is violating numerous patents tied to the iPad, iPhone -- and Siri -- Apple's voice as.. ..

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Gami00

join:2010-03-11
Mississauga, ON

its funny and sad at the same time.

i'm glad they're doing it to apple.
but it is sad that it has now come to this in this silly patent wars.

the US patent system needs to be flushed and cleaned so that this doesn't happen anymore.



OdinFaktor

join:2001-02-12
USA

What goes around comes around

Apple should expect things happen to it as it does such things on to others.


Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX

Are any of you guys surprised about this?

I'm not surprised.

The consequences of this could mean that the next paradigm in personal computers comes from international companies as a result of all this patent madness.

The whole idea that apple "invented" the smartphone is an insult to intelligence. Anyone that knows anything about miniaturization saw this possibility long ago.

The iPhone wasn't "invented" in the year 2000 for a reason:
It wasn't possible back then. Just like it's not possible for them to "invent" a computer that fits in your blood cells at the moment.

But i can't wait for them to claim they were the ones that thought of it first once it becomes technically feasible.


Os

join:2011-01-26
US

1 recommendation

Good

Let's ban all iPads, iPhones and Apple computers.

The world will be a better place without them.



Aviger

@cox.net

Clever ploy?

I wonder if Google is just trying to do something so crazy as trying to get all Apple products banned to start the ball rolling on patent reform.



cdru
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:7
reply to Kamus

Re: Are any of you guys surprised about this?

said by Kamus:

The consequences of this could mean that the next paradigm in personal computers comes from international companies as a result of all this patent madness.

How do you figure? All the phones are already made in other countries, even for domestic companies. A foreign company needing to import a phone likely would have just as hard of a time if not harder time getting a phone distributed in the US then a domestic company.

The whole idea that apple "invented" the smartphone is an insult to intelligence. Anyone that knows anything about miniaturization saw this possibility long ago.

Apple never said they invented the smartphone. Their guff with Samsung is over design patents, how it looks as a whole.


Anon

@airband.net
reply to Aviger

Re: Clever ploy?

No. This is usually how patent wars are ended -- both sides sue each other over multiple patents -- once the potential for multi-year legal battles with multiple lawsuits from both sides becomes apparent, then both sides back off and cross-license the various patents and promise to not sue each other anymore.



Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
reply to cdru

Re: Are any of you guys surprised about this?

said by cdru:

Apple never said they invented the smartphone. Their guff with Samsung is over design patents, how it looks as a whole.

Ya.. Because Samsung's phones look EXACTLY like an iPhone.


aaronwt
Premium
join:2004-11-07
Woodbridge, VA

said by Simba7:

said by cdru:

Apple never said they invented the smartphone. Their guff with Samsung is over design patents, how it looks as a whole.

Ya.. Because Samsung's phones look EXACTLY like an iPhone.

Apple has a 4.8 inch screen? The iphone looks like a toy compared to many of the other phones out there.

Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX
reply to cdru

said by cdru:

How do you figure? All the phones are already made in other countries, even for domestic companies. A foreign company needing to import a phone likely would have just as hard of a time if not harder time getting a phone distributed in the US then a domestic company.

I realize they are made in other countries, and yes i also know it's easier to ban imports than domestics.
Now, Lets fast forward just 7 more years, and technology allows for new products that aren't possible today. You have the means to bring this product to reality. Where do you go?
My guess is you wouldn't even try to test the legal system of the U.S. Instead, you could just target the rest of the world for your market. China should be just as big as a market as the US by then, if not bigger. and well, then there's the rest of the world.

If you start to really think about what is really going on here. It's companies fighting for the "ownership" of consumers.
We've already seen what the government is willing to do for the likes of the MPAA, and we're about to find out what it's willing to do for Apple.

And sure, i understand that their "guff" with Samsung is about the look and feel of the competition. Well, at least that's the reason they give. When in fact we all know the real reason is that they have a formidable competitor that is beating them everywhere else in the world.

I guess the only thing we can do is /popcorn. and watch this charade go on.

itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA
reply to Os

Re: Good

said by Os:

Let's ban all iPads, iPhones and Apple computers.

The world will be a better place without them.

I've said the same thing about Windows for years. It (and Microsoft) is a plague on the world.


asdfsdf

@comcast.net

Lawyers are the ones making money

No mater who's suing who. The outcome of the lawsuit is lawyers. They are the ones making money. This is what America is all about. FREEDOM TO SUE!!!!!!


itguy05

join:2005-06-17
Carlisle, PA
reply to aaronwt

Re: Are any of you guys surprised about this?

said by aaronwt:

Apple has a 4.8 inch screen? The iphone looks like a toy compared to many of the other phones out there.

Really? I know someone with a 4.8 screen phone and the thing looks freaking huge. Not something I'd want to carry around. Heck, when I had my Treo 650 it was considered a brick compared to other phones of the time.

I'd settle for a 4 inch screen but in reality the high resolution of the iPhone has made it less painful going back to a smaller screen than I thought it would have been.

decifal

join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
kudos:1
reply to Anon

Re: Clever ploy?

hell.. Who needs to watch drama on Tv when you can look at the tech sector!!?!



tshirt
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reply to Anon

That generally is the end goal cross license after limit damage payments.

But Apple leans heavily towards the "take no enemies, have no friends" end of the spectrum, tending to push for the kill when the can and sharing ONLY when it's the last choice.
Sometimes it costs them access to more inovation, but when sucessful leaves them with no competition.
Funny how MS got the crap sued out of them by gov't (EU and DoJ) for attempting to do that only on the software side, but apple walks free with praise for doing the same thing with a closed hardware, O/S, software, and APP store device enviroment*.

*even though it pretty clear they alone did not invent/concieve/buy/own the IP behind the developed products.



jseymour

join:2009-12-11
Waterford, MI
reply to cdru

Re: Are any of you guys surprised about this?

said by cdru:

Apple never said they invented the smartphone. Their guff with Samsung is over design patents, how it looks as a whole.

Yeah, like "an essentially rectangular device with evenly-rounded corners." C'mon. My Palm Centro meets that test, and it's certainly no iPhone. I doubt even Apple has so little shame as to accuse Palm of having copied them, being as the Centro and iPhone were introduced at roughly the same time.

Many of Apple's patents are nonsense. Unfortunately, for Apple, my guess is most of Motorola's are not.

Jim


tmh

@comcastbusiness.net

Thermonuclear war

Apple wanted one, now they have it.


VerizonCynic

join:2006-10-25
Lakewood, CA
Reviews:
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madness

Google is letting samsung use its IP attys. lol. The apple suit was just a way to whack at google via the No. 1 android maker. So two (or three) of the most profitable cos of all time »hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/···=DEFAULT are now fighting each other so the consumer can "win"?. I think not. Ok I claim a right to every idea ever thought of. Done. I win. Now pay me.
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InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5
reply to Gami00

Re: its funny and sad at the same time.

said by Gami00:

the US patent system needs to be flushed and cleaned so that this doesn't happen anymore.

If PTO offices all over the world bothered doing obviousness and prior-art test instead of blindly granting patents and letting courts sort it out afterward, things wouldn't be that ugly.

Lowering the proof threshold for prior-art, obviousness, natural process and other patent invalidation motives would help clear a lot of this BS.

Cogdis

join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY

1 recommendation

reply to itguy05

Re: Are any of you guys surprised about this?

said by itguy05:

Really? I know someone with a 4.8 screen phone and the thing looks freaking huge.

Which is why the lawsuits don't make sense. Nobody would confuse a Galaxy S with an Iphone. Apple does not have a patent on the color black. Actually I think Samsung did away with black for the S3 anyway...

InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5
reply to Aviger

Re: Clever ploy?

Apple would likely have gone after Google and others after they are done with Samsung and friends. Google probably decided to proceed with a preemptive strike instead of letting Apple take the initiative and set the pace.



vpoko
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Boston, MA
reply to InvalidError

Re: its funny and sad at the same time.

PTO employees are underfunded and aren't exactly the top minds (the top minds are working in the private sector making much more than a government job would pay). It's like financial regulation, the regulator is always going to be overmatched by the industry they're trying to regulate.


Badonkadonk
Premium
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
kudos:5
reply to Cogdis

Re: Are any of you guys surprised about this?

Black S3 phones are on their way. I think they hit Asia first.


Badonkadonk
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reply to jseymour

Unfortunately, I think Mot has a ton-load of worthless patents. That being said, maybe they've changed over the last 10 years since I was there.
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I've heard, and I don't know if it's true, that Harry Reid takes it up the kiester from farm animals.


InvalidError

join:2008-02-03
kudos:5
reply to vpoko

Re: its funny and sad at the same time.

said by vpoko:

PTO employees are underfunded and aren't exactly the top minds


PTO clerks only need to be smart enough to determine categories of subject matter specialists/experts who should know enough to issue a recommendation.

What is missing is a legal authorization and requirement to do so when in doubt.

Badonkadonk
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reply to InvalidError

It's an almost impossible job to catch all 102 and 103 art. There's just too much material in the world.

That being said, as part of the new patent laws going into effect on March 16, 2013, the US patent office will be looking at prior art that includes public use, sales, publications, and other disclosures available to the public anywhere in the world as of the filing date. This should bring in quite a bit of extra material that may potentially bar patentability.
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tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:4
reply to VerizonCynic

Re: madness

I patent the idea of patents, now they all owe me.


Seaboogers

join:2004-11-01
Sarasota, FL

said by tshirt:

I patent the idea of patents, now they all owe me.

Hate tell you this...but I have the patent on "ideas"...so naturally I win everything.


jester121
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
reply to Badonkadonk

Re: its funny and sad at the same time.

Not like that will actually solve anything -- anyone who doesn't like the patent office's decision will just head to court anyhow, and the taxpayers will foot the legal bills.



elwoodblues
Elwood Blues
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reply to Gami00

said by Gami00:

i'm glad they're doing it to apple.
but it is sad that it has now come to this in this silly patent wars.

the US patent system needs to be flushed and cleaned so that this doesn't happen anymore.

I couldn't agree more. Every patent becomes invalid, no more patents on swipes, clicks, shapes, colours and the lot.

You should be able to patent real items not processes.
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