| Great Prices Verzion should follow these price plans for broadband. I don't need Phone, DVR and TV just for my internet line. |
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| this company is much only in select neighborhoods and much in HOAs where they can be the only provider. They're NOT that big at all. Thus no shareholders that want their $$ back- which is a valid request and requirement |
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| upload? meh, what's with the upload? 110 mbits down, 5 up? really? 5?
Jeez, can ya SPARE IT?!? most cable companies offer 5 up for a ratio of 15 down... 3:1 this is more like 22:1 |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
 ·Verizon Online DSL
 ·RoadRunner Cable
·Comcast
| reply to 25139889
Re: Great Prices Actually, they're owned by a private equity group, which has investors too. They just happened to be more concentrated in their ownership. Kind of like Suddenlink was before they got bought by their own management or some such thing.
Also, 150,000 subscribers isn't tiny. As for HOAs etc., there are actually plenty of areas Grande competes with TWC (or Suddenlink if you're in Midland/Odessa, if I remember correctly). Also, it's not like TWC doesn't have similar arrangements, from an actual or de facto perspective. Case in point: my ~350-unit apartment community can get AT&T and TWC, but my guess is that 80+ percent of its population are using Time Warner. AT&T does have a VRAD (at least I think it's a VRAD) right near the entrance to the community, but somehow they still can't get more than 3 Mbps to me (at the back of the community, maybe 1/3 of a mile away, if that).
Of course, if you're admitting that Verizon's standalone FiOS rates suck on the low end compared to Grande's, I guess I'm agreeing with you...you can get 65/5 from Grande for the price of 15/5 on Verizon. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
·Comcast
| reply to tmc8080
Re: upload? My guess is that this limitation is technical more than anything else. A 3.2MHz wide return path channel only has 10-15 Mbps of capacity, depending on modulation. You don't want to push more than 5 Mbps of that to a single user. That's why neither TWC nor Grande scale beyond 5 Mbps on the upstream side right now, though both probably have upstream bonding enabled in a few select markets.
Contrast this to Cablevision, where they've got a 6.4MHz wide upload channel or two (and 15 Mbps uploads on their highest package). Or Comcast, where 2-4 upstreams, one or more of them with 6.4MHz of bandwidth, can be used to push up to 75 Mbp sup (though for the time being most plans will sit in the 5-20 Mbps range).
Trust me, I like upload speed just as much as the next guy. But you're dealing with a physical plant that was built with the express purpose of delivering a lot of data in one direction, with little thought to the other. |
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 antdudeA Ninja AntPremium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
United State
kudos:4 | TWC's $79.99? Where? I only see $89.99! |
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| reply to iansltx
Re: Great Prices That private equity group is ABRY Capital Partners who also owns RCN, and my cable company, Atlantic Broadband (for now).
Those are similar to the speeds Atlantic Broadband launched in South Florida. |
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| Juices? Juices? Like what, Pomegranate? 1 Gbps is steroidal. A top upstream speed of 5 Mbps is more like roadkill. |
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Reviews:
 ·ooma
·Optimum Online
 ·Verizon FiOS
| reply to iansltx
Re: upload? said by iansltx:My guess is that this limitation is technical more than anything else. A 3.2MHz wide return path channel only has 10-15 Mbps of capacity, depending on modulation. You don't want to push more than 5 Mbps of that to a single user. That's why neither TWC nor Grande scale beyond 5 Mbps on the upstream side right now, though both probably have upstream bonding enabled in a few select markets.
Contrast this to Cablevision, where they've got a 6.4MHz wide upload channel or two (and 15 Mbps uploads on their highest package). Or Comcast, where 2-4 upstreams, one or more of them with 6.4MHz of bandwidth, can be used to push up to 75 Mbp sup (though for the time being most plans will sit in the 5-20 Mbps range).
Trust me, I like upload speed just as much as the next guy. But you're dealing with a physical plant that was built with the express purpose of delivering a lot of data in one direction, with little thought to the other.
Much of the return path was freed up with a couple of things.. one of them being that when many cable systems went "DIGITAL" that cleared alot of frequency noise in the return path for getting the 15mbit upload speeds. So, unless they are using unshielded rg59 or worse cable in the outside plant which is not properly conditioned, they are being cheap about upgrades (inside and outside plant).. even U-verse dsl could offer more than 5mbit upload.. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to antdude
Re: TWC's $79.99? It's a promo rate. Not sure if it's Texas-only but here in Austin the tiers are $79.99 for 50/5, $59.99 for 30/5, $39.99 for 20/2, $29.99 for 10/1 and $19.99 for 3/1 on promo. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 | reply to Mojo 77
Re: Juices? 30 Mbps down, 3 Mbps up is better than 24/3. Not saying that the speeds are phenomenal...they aren't...but the pricing on the service is reasonable. |
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| The word "juices" suggests I should be very excited by some sort of extreme event. These are probably the worst prices you'd have if the country was actually competitive, and that upstream speed is shit, whatever the excuse leveled. |
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brad
join:2007-09-06
Etobicoke, ON | reply to tmc8080
Re: upload? said by tmc8080:even U-verse dsl could offer more than 5mbit upload..
Here Bell Canada offers 10Mbps up via VDSL2 so AT&T should have no problem either. |
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antdudeA Ninja AntPremium,VIP
join:2001-03-25
United State
kudos:4 Reviews:
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to iansltx
Re: TWC's $79.99? said by iansltx:It's a promo rate. Not sure if it's Texas-only but here in Austin the tiers are $79.99 for 50/5, $59.99 for 30/5, $39.99 for 20/2, $29.99 for 10/1 and $19.99 for 3/1 on promo.
Ah, Texas only. I thought $89.99 promotion prices were everywhere for TWC. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
·Comcast
| reply to brad
Re: upload? ...and CenturyLink offers 20Mbps in certain places. However upload speeds are the first thing to go when you get more than a couple thousand feet from the DSLAM.
Honestly, it's probably easier for TWC/Grande to roll out higher upload speeds to the majority of their footprint than it is for DSL providers to do the same. But pockets of VDSL do make TWC et al look bad at 5 Mbps up. On the other hand, AT&T U-Verse won't sell more than 3 Mbps up. |
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
Golden, CO
kudos:2 Reviews:
·Verizon Online DSL
·RoadRunner Cable
·Comcast
| reply to Mojo 77
Re: Juices? Are you volunteering to start another ISP in a market that already has three wireline providers (TWC, Grande, AT&T)?
If not, then you've got to take these changes for what they are: upgrades. Heck, 30 Mbps down and 3 Mbps up isn't bad for many users (myself not included, my immediate and extended family, as well as many friends, included), and a $50-ish price point including modem rental isn't bad either (I'd get Google Fiber if it came to town, but that's $70, not $50). |
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| reply to osravens
Re: Great Prices and if prices between those companies become in line with each other and speeds- a merger of the brands could come near. |
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| reply to iansltx
150k tiny when you compare it to other companies; especially other over builders.
And my comment on HOAs was that companies like this are more likely to be able to grab them and have a sole contract than TWC.
Also investment groups are more likely to beef up the ROI and then off load those companies to some one else. Get all that you can signed up- and then sell them after you make your $$$ back. |
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| reply to antdude
Re: TWC's $79.99? it is for Mid-Ohio and NEO/WPA both areas have it. I would assume Dayton and Cinci have it as well |
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| Grande just launched their 110Mbps service Dallas area Recently the 110Mbps tier launched in the Dallas area where grande services which is a very small area and it seems they upgraded the system from 750MHz to 1GHz as they now have QAM carriers up to 130 something (800MHz range). |
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