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Comments on news posted 2012-08-30 10:37:02: The New Republic notes that one of the cornerstones of the GOP's technology agenda being firmed up at the convention this week (aside from censoring porn, opposing net neutrality and further eliminating consumer protections) is "spectrum reform. ..

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Telco

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Truth

The RepubliCon party always beats on about capitalism and the free market, yet fails to grasp or accept that the cornerstone of the free market is competition; which drives the invisible hand.

Therefore, why is it that time and time again, their policies encourage monopolies and duopolies, which actually go against the free-market and are more akin to corporate fascism.

Of course, they excuse this with claiming it's survival of the fittest, failing to ever mention how their creed benefits the American consumer - it doesn't.

Common sense. 5 wireless carriers are better for the consumer than 2 alone. Sprint and Tmobile for example, do not have the spectrum or quality of spectrum to compete with these two incumbents, yet AT&T and VZ want even more.


FFH5
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How about looking at GOP platform

How about actually reading the GOP platform to see what it says instead of just believing those commentators pushing their own agendas:

»www.gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2···form.pdf
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Telco

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Re: Truth

With LTE Advanced on the way, the FCC should free up a 100MHZ somewhere and allow communities to service their own.

Such bandwidth would allow full speed of well over 1GB/s and not face any of the shortfalls of community WIFI projects.

Telco

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reply to FFH5

Re: How about looking at GOP platform

said by FFH5:

How about actually reading the GOP platform to see what it says instead of just believing those commentators pushing their own agendas:

»www.gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2···form.pdf

First off, the GOP has consistently illustrated this election that their words mean nothing and that they are willing to lie through their teeth to get elected. It's like listening to Sudasky claim he's innocent.

Ironic to see the preamble on the first page, something every Republican seems to ignore. "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union".

Amazing how I do not see the words "shareholder, profiteer, superpack, CEO, Board, Wall-street, corporation, conglomerate, bankers, etc etc" in there; i.e. the Republican creed.


88615298
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reply to FFH5
said by FFH5:

How about actually reading the GOP platform to see what it says instead of just believing those commentators pushing their own agendas:

»www.gop.com/wp-content/uploads/2···form.pdf

How about YOU actually understanding what they REALLY mean? Seriously quit drinking the Kool-Aid.

dynodb
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TNR? Really, Karl?

You're citing the partisans at TNR now?

All that's being proposed is that more of the spectrum be offered up for use via the fairest way to distribute it- by auction.

If the rural carriers need more bandwidth / spectrum, they only need buy it at the market rate.

Supply and demand- you've heard of the concept, no?


FFH5
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Re: How about looking at GOP platform

(Please avoid overly long quotes, thanks! -Mods)
That is the sum total in the GOP platform about the internet & telecom. All the dire predictions by commentators are what THEY READ in to these generalized statements. IOW, attacks based on little substance of what was written in the platform
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Twaddle

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reply to FFH5
Just another load of Bovine excrement. I've yet to see either party even remotely support their platforms. In reality, it's nothing but a get re-elected action list that makes the populace "think" they represent them. Lofty platitudes coming from the GOP dais is here today and gone tomorrow, same with the Dems. The nation wanted national security, we got the Patriot Act, Homeland security and countless other violations of our privacy. We have Presidents saying its legal to go to foreign countries and execute American citizens without a trial. We have wholesale sellout of the taxpayer to Big Money a la the bailout of the Banking thieves, continuation of the War machine, failure to protect our sovereign borders while sending our sons daughters, wives and husbands to die in foreign lands. I don't swallow the BS coming from either the Romney camp or the Obama camp because its just too hard to forget the past failures to deliver on promises.


fifty nine

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Looks like BBR jumped the shark

Booooo. The ugly head of hyperpartisanship has reached BBR.

Clue stick time. BOTH parties want to sell off spectrum to the wireless companies.

Why do you think Obama is continuously harping about broadband?

Genachowski has been pushing for ending of OTA TV as we know it and selling the spectrum to wireless companies. Ever heard of the national broadband plan?

Genachowski aint no GOPer! He was Obama's best bud in Harvard Law School.

IT DOES NOT MATTER which party is in power. Whoever is in power will be dictated to by their telco masters.
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reply to FFH5

Re: How about looking at GOP platform

(please avoid long quotes!)

Says it all. Thanks for trolling for mitt...
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Re: Looks like BBR jumped the shark

Agreed.

Verizon and AT&T will throw as much money as it takes to either party to get what they want, and for the most part it works.

Most regular consumers don't know, or understand, all that goes on with spectrum allotment anyway.
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slckusr
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It makes sense.

Keep the rural areas ignorant to counter the big city voters. Easy access to the internet provides more knowledge with knowledge comes enlightenment. Keeping folks in the dark furthers both platforms agendas.
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firephoto
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Re: It makes sense.

said by slckusr:

Keep the rural areas ignorant to counter the big city voters. Easy access to the internet provides more knowledge with knowledge comes enlightenment. Keeping folks in the dark furthers both platforms agendas.

Because rural people who make significantly less than urban people want to pay the same urban rates for equal or slower "LTE".

It's already happening too. The people who own the pipes are laying new fiber to mountaintops just to provide service for verizon or att and selling it has providing next gerneration broadband to rural users.

It's a load of overpriced and restricted crap.
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Alex J

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reply to FFH5

Re: How about looking at GOP platform

So you're saying we should only pay attention to the political sales pitch but ignore decades of history for both parties? How convenient.


Alex J

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reply to fifty nine

Re: Looks like BBR jumped the shark

Whoever is in power will be dictated to by their telco masters.

That's exactly what the article says, yet you disagree with it somehow...


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Re: How about looking at GOP platform

said by Alex J :

So you're saying we should only pay attention to the political sales pitch but ignore decades of history for both parties? How convenient.

No I am saying don't make up meanings in a document that isn't in the document. Which is exactly what a lot of bloggers are doing.
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Alex J

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reply to slckusr

Re: It makes sense.

Yep. One (and sometimes both) party in particular loves to cut education funding for the exact same reason. If people were able to think critically, they might stop and realize they're being fed a line of crap year after year after year. Especially at these conventions.

Look how much this article (which is really only saying that both parties are full of crap and ignoring the will of the public in exchange for telco cash) upsets all the little partisan droids and girls who insist it's full of vile lies and distortions.


Alex J

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Re: Truth

With LTE Advanced on the way, the FCC should free up a 100MHZ somewhere and allow communities to service their own.

That would require getting past the easily bought Senate, or the anti-community broadband laws bought and paid for by telcos thanks to both parties.

decifal

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donno

I donno, this to me is like giving more guns to the Nazi party back in WW2...

Maybe i'm just not a fan of both of these companies buying their power from our government though. :-/


Alex J

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reply to FFH5

Re: How about looking at GOP platform

There's nothing in the document but a bunch of fluff and bullshit, like all political documents from both parties. I'll rely on actual history to tell me who I should believe, thanks -- and it shouldn't be politicians with a generation of lies under their belt.


Alex J

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reply to fifty nine

Re: Looks like BBR jumped the shark

The ugly head of hyperpartisanship has reached BBR.

Tip: pointing out that both parties are full of crap on technology policy (shocking) is not "hyperpartisanship." It's the exact opposite, and it should be something that's commonplace in all forms of media.


Alex J

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reply to dynodb

Re: TNR? Really, Karl?

If the rural carriers need more bandwidth / spectrum, they only need buy it at the market rate.

This is an epic pile of disingenuous nonsense. The "market rate" is being set by two massive companies who enjoy regulatory capture, modify all the rules to prohibit competitive market entry, and bribe the entire political system -- from federal to state to town -- to create an unlevel playing field. But yeah, other than that you're a market genius and I'm sure smaller and rural carriers will be thrilled to learn that you've figured this out....

Skippy25

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reply to dynodb
Distribute it by auction so all can fairly bid right?

Lets see, last time I checked:

- The person with the most money wins an auction.
- Monopolistic companies will burn money for the simple reason to prevent competition.

So I guess fair to you is to give AT&T and Verizon all the spectrum for a few dollars more than what their biggest "competitors" can spend and then the "free market" has worked it's wonder. Take note, I use the word competitors very loosely there.

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Re: Truth

said by Telco:

The RepubliCon party always beats on about capitalism and the free market, yet fails to grasp or accept that the cornerstone of the free market is competition; which drives the invisible hand.

And the Left fails to grasp or accept that rural consumers are unwilling to pay rates sufficient to attract competing vendors.

GOP respects consumer's rights to NOT purchase services they don't want, unlike the current regime, which will fine tax you if you don't buy their "affordable care" policy.

Rural markets are natural monopolies, and should be regulated accordingly; while that will generally mean substantially higher prices for broadband, it will assure its availability.

dynodb
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reply to Skippy25

Re: TNR? Really, Karl?

said by Skippy25:

Distribute it by auction so all can fairly bid right?

Lets see, last time I checked:

- The person with the most money wins an auction.
- Monopolistic companies will burn money for the simple reason to prevent competition.

So I guess fair to you is to give AT&T and Verizon all the spectrum for a few dollars more than what their biggest "competitors" can spend and then the "free market" has worked it's wonder. Take note, I use the word competitors very loosely there.

Nobody is proposing that the FCC "give" AT&T or Verizon spectrum.

As the two largest providers with the lion's share of the market, is it really so untoward that they'd be buying the most spectrum at auction in an era where demand has grown tremendously?

In spectrum there is a limited (by physics no less!) supply. An open auction is the fairest way to distribute such a commodity. Government officials deciding which of their most favored campaign contributors get it... not so much.

If it can be proven that the big providers are engaging in monopolistic practices for the sole purpose of quashing competition, that can be dealt with. What's being complained about here is speculation on what might happen should everybody be given a fair shot at bidding for spectrum.


Truther

@mellon.com

Really?

If that is true then why is it the current Democrat administration has let Comacast gobble up NBC? Why have they allowed Verizon and Comacast to partner? Why have they basically been the administration that never saw a monopoly they didn't like?

Skippy25

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reply to dynodb

Re: TNR? Really, Karl?

LOL, you are funny!

How about this... we auction it off but AT&T and Verizon is excluded from being able to bid? Would you agree to those terms?