| If you look deep enough into the DSLR archives... I told you so... |
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| end game well, they need a corporate raider like (a certain presidential candidate) to come in and fire all the staff, and sell the company to Century Link(tel) for pennies on the dollar who will sit on the technology and put dsl instead. afterall, that's one (in)credible vision for the country millions of people would vote FOR.. |
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1 edit | These projects rationally take over a decade to be self sustaining. However, much like anything the GOP disagree with, they want to sabotage and crush them, to stop it from spreading -- country and people be damned.
Why do you guys think they hate Europe and the rest of the advanced world so much? Because they know the second their base gets a taste of the lifestyle and perks realized by the people abroad, they'll never let it go.
You are right in also pointing out that this is exactly what Bain capital (i.e. Romney) did/do. |
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| What now?? Where is the guy that brags about Utopia on every post? |
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Re: end game Do you mean the same 'lifestyle and perks' that Europe can't pay for and has put the economies of Greece, Spain, et al in the shitter? |
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| reply to battleop
Re: If you look deep enough into the DSLR archives... When this website's knee-jerk anti-community broadband folks constantly claim all projects like this fail, that's not really impressive when you happen to get one right. |
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 El QuintronResident Mouth BreatherPremium
join:2008-04-28
Etobicoke, ON
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Re: end game said by bradleym:Do you mean the same 'lifestyle and perks' that Europe can't pay for and has put the economies of Greece, Spain, et al in the shitter?
Don't you mean hamstrung by the Euro and therefore unable to adjust their currency values, in order to adequately meet their liquidity needs? |
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 somms
join:2003-07-28
Salt Lake City, UT | reply to Anon2
Re: What now?? said by Anon2 :Where is the guy that brags about Utopia on every post?
»utopianet.org/uploads/images/hom···31_1.jpg
»www.utopianet.org/blogs/general/bond
To Anon poster who tries to spin FTTH into a "socialist" failure on every post!  |
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elray
join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA | reply to Alex J
Re: If you look deep enough into the DSLR archives... said by Alex J :When this website's knee-jerk anti-community broadband folks constantly claim all projects like this fail, that's not really impressive when you happen to get one right. No one is anti-community broadband. We only object to the use of taxpayer funds and illegal takings. There are ways to have community broadband without violating the constitution or stealing from your neighbors. |
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 tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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·Comcast
1 edit | reply to somms
Re: What now?? We have no doubt they can make payments
Bonds for the fiber network are backed by sales tax revenue pledges from participating municipalities. The plan initially was that as the network expanded and added subscribers, the revenue would offset the need to tap into those pledges.
Local pledge amounts include $2.146 million a year for Layton, $427,697 for Centerville, $324,459 for Tremonton, $430,039 for Brigham City and $104,494 for Perry. That pledge goes up approximately 2 percent a year over the 25-year life span of UTOPIA’s existing bonds, according to Blaine Lutz, financial director for Centerville and a member of the UTOPIA board.
The question is what those payments really cost.
Because they will HAVE to make payments from the sales tax (which no doubt was already paying for something else) what else does EVERYBODY in those areas lose so that some can enjoy a fiber connection.
Is it roads, or schools or police service, or health care or what will suffer so that you get your porn a little faster?
We aren't opposed to faster porn, we just think porn users should pay for it themselves. |
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tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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| Before you get all up in arms, please note that the post above is partially satrirical (humor, arrh arrh).
I not opposed to fiber or muni fiber, but I have repeated argued that you (and others) are being unrealistic about the cost, the needed resources and the payback as are many (muni and otherwise) FTTx project promoters.
I can see the public value to really fast HSI, but until you become more honest about the cost and risks, I can't see backing most of them, and even those reported here that do seem potentially viable are frequently shouted down as overpriced corporate scams.
People can have FTTx or cable or? HSI and even own it, but it takes money and management and tough "we can't afford THAT" decisions based on supportable FACTS not, "I WANT" I NEED" pipe dreams. |
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Re: end game said by El Quintron:said by bradleym:Do you mean the same 'lifestyle and perks' that Europe can't pay for and has put the economies of Greece, Spain, et al in the shitter?
Don't you mean hamstrung by the Euro and therefore unable to adjust their currency values, in order to adequately meet their liquidity needs? You mean devalue their currency against the Euro??? They should have never joined the Euro if they wanted to be able to devalue at will. Defeats the whole object of the Euro. You do know that devaluing your currency hammers the fix income people such as retiree's???? A whole chain of events happens it's not as simple as just saying, "Ok we are going BK let's use inflation to get us out of the mess". |
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Re: What now?? said by tshirt:Before you get all up in arms, please note that the post above is partially satrirical (humor, arrh arrh).
I not opposed to fiber or muni fiber, but I have repeated argued that you (and others) are being unrealistic about the cost, the needed resources and the payback as are many (muni and otherwise) FTTx project promoters.
I can see the public value to really fast HSI, but until you become more honest about the cost and risks, I can't see backing most of them, and even those reported here that do seem potentially viable are frequently shouted down as overpriced corporate scams.
People can have FTTx or cable or? HSI and even own it, but it takes money and management and tough "we can't afford THAT" decisions based on supportable FACTS not, "I WANT" I NEED" pipe dreams.
i guess its kinda like government mandated healthcare then. |
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| Completely untrue The Standard Examiner (and the Daily Herald) basically made a bunch of crap up from second-hand stories. I spoke with Todd Marriott less than an hour ago (something neither paper bothered to do) and the real story is actually a bunch of good news.
Right now, UTOPIA runs an operating deficit. The Utah Infrastructure Agency (UIA) was formed by most of the UTOPIA cities to cover this gap for five years and provide funds for construction to be paid back by subscribers. The last draw of money for this purpose was intended to last through June 30, 2012. Instead, it's just now running out. UTOPIA had stronger operating revenues that resulted in money scheduled to cover 12 months instead cover almost 15 months.
The discussion was that UTOPIA needed to pull the FY2013 money now that the FY2012 money has finally run out after lasting almost 25% longer than originally intended. Someone without access to the full facts or willing to do actual reporting mis-interpreted that as being broke. This is what happens when "reporters" don't bother to do their damn job. (And, for the record, it also triggered an unnecessary audit from NTIA.)
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Jesse Harris
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| Thanks for the info Mr. Harris. |
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tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
kudos:3 | reply to StLCardsFan
Re: What now?? Can you better explain what parallels you see between those two subjects? |
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Re: If you look deep enough into the DSLR archives... LOL, that has got to be the biggest over reach of pure BS I have read!
First off, your are constantly being "stolen from" by any of the local duopoly cable / telecom companies and we all have been for decades. You can also extend the stupidity of this statement to schools, roads, libraries and hundreds of other community projects.
Second, what the poster you replied to said is 100% correct. You guys come here bashing every community thing (Including Google which is a private company doing a community thing) and then when you happen to get one right you gloat.
Third, Utopia isnt dead yet and until it is I would recommend keeping the gloating to yourself as it will probably still be up and running 10 years from now. Whether that is with their communities help through financing or just shear profitability is not relevant. IF the community wants it, they will continue to make it run and that is all that really matters. |
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same here! This proves that Munis have NO BUSINESS operating broadband networks, even as the last mile wholesale operator. Time make Congress pass their pending bill to stop these from going any farther. If this was actually needed it would have more than broke even by now. But instead all of these poor residents are going to be stuck with their bill.
Way to go Utah! |
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99% of them use tax payer money one way or another. Bonds- all are backed by Tax Payer money- the project can't be funded on it's own- the tax payers on are the hook to pay that bond.
Funded by the City's Muni power company by using rate hikes and taxes from that company- backed by the tax payer. These are all funded some where or another by a tax payer. And they're on the hook again. Congress needs to setup and do as they promised; protect and serve the residents/citizens from being on the hook paying for these half ass projects that never float- let alone are fully finished being built. |
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First, local cable and phone companies PAY to use the ROW. Local Muni "companies" NEVER do. Tax payers are on the hook to pay for the up-keep along with the other companies that are required thus making rates HIGHER for everyone else- that is NOT fair and is stealing from those customers of another company.
2nd- local schools purchase their internet from actual companies, not the local Muni or Google. the USDOE requires them to use approved companies and DAS sites. Very few companies are even on that approved list, and Google is NOT one of them. And Schools are NOT operated by local gov'ts. They are seperate from the local gov't. The way they should be. Libraries also do not purchase services from the local ISPs nor Google wannabes. They use actual ISPs who can bid on those contracts and get actual services, hence WV using VZ/Frontier and those nice 2k routers and not some XYZ DSL ISP.
3rd- Google isn't competing and just wants a free ride, they did ALL they could to get around the red tape they should have been forced to follow, just like every other company. If Google actually cared, they wouldn't be out to sell EVERY damn thing they could find about you, nor would they be out to sell this project in 2 years and their agreement would be stated for at least 5 years. We've all seen that if Google can't make a dime off a project they kill it. GoogleTV and Google's Nexus product line trying to sell unlocked cell phones while making $$$ were two of those projects. And this will be a 3rd, and surely not the last one Google kills. Especially when the Shareholders are going to want to see ROI coming back into the company.
Time to put these munis to rest and sell their last mile networks.
PS- If Google even remotely cared- they wouldn't make these residents in KC beg for service like a bunch of starving dogs like they did just to get their name out in the public again. if this was any other company doing it, Karl and you as well would be all over them giving them shame. |
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