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Comments on news posted 2012-09-14 11:13:30: Netflix, who once thought bandwidth caps were no big deal, not too long ago finally realized that they can indeed be used anti-competitively to put services that compete with an ISPs content at a competitive disadvantage. ..

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Sarandos losing touch with reality

To equate overage fees to human rights abuses shows how out of touch with reality that a key Netflix executive has gone. Maybe Sarandos should spend some time in North Korea or Yemen to get a feel for real human rights abuses. That would reign in his rhetorical excesses and show his true concerns - the value of his stock options.
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Kearnstd
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Maybe he just bought the same brand of Crazy flavored Kool-Ade as the telco execs that claim Netflix and Google should pay them protection money.

While it makes him sound crazy, It is kind of funny to see this kind of crazy from the other camp.
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pnh102
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Yea... sticking with the "third world broadband" metaphor would have been a better approach.

And sadly that's what the broadband situation in the US seems to be devolving into... low caps and high overages.
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BF69
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Camden, TN

Netflix should have stepped up YEARS ago

Yes it's always best to wait until the horses have left the barn before taking action. Netflix was a good 2 years too late to start talking about caps.

rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO

Makes Me Laugh...

Until CAPs started affecting their business, Netflix didn't have scruples. Now they are wrapping themselves in the constitution in the name of human rights! Ha! How does someone this ridiculous and ignorant end up getting paid 1% money and lead an organization valued in the billions?

osravens

join:2011-01-26
Cumberland, MD

But that's the precise problem with caps. It stifles innovation, and keeps companies out of the marketplace.

I thought you free marketers were all concerned about that.


rdmiller

join:2005-09-23
Richmond, VA

Pump up the volume!

In today's political environment, if you don't say something crazy, you'll get ignored.

decifal

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Re: Makes Me Laugh...

said by osravens:

But that's the precise problem with caps. It stifles innovation, and keeps companies out of the marketplace.

I thought you free marketers were all concerned about that.

My thoughts exactly.. Even online backup services are being hit with this.. Its just greed, plain and simple.. Some Isp's have at least placed decent usable caps of 300 gigs or more which for quite a few of us is very usable at least and it prevents someone from file sharing 24/7.. Imo, if your gonna do that stuff you orta get a business account...

Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX

I'll go even further.

The fact is that the state of Canadian Broadband is nothing short of pathetic.

Mexico has superior broadband than Canada in both price and capacity. And Mexico is a third world country. So if anything i'm going to say he's being too generous to Canada in his comparison.

Kamus

join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX

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Re: Sarandos losing touch with reality

said by Linklist:

To equate overage fees to human rights abuses shows how out of touch with reality that a key Netflix executive has gone. Maybe Sarandos should spend some time in North Korea or Yemen to get a feel for real human rights abuses. That would reign in his rhetorical excesses and show his true concerns - the value of his stock options.

So to Violate human rights it has to be as extreme as North Korea?
I had no idea, thank you for sharing.


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Re: Makes Me Laugh...

Canadians all have access to unlimited options (via wholesale providers such as TekSavvy). However, the vast majority of the market is controlled by a handful of incumbent cable/telephone companies. Bell Canada, for example, charges $36/mth for a 5 megabit DSL line, and it comes with a grand total of 15 gigabytes per month, with $2.50/GB overages.

Meanwhile, TekSavvy will sell you a 5 megabit cable service with unlimited bandwidth for $35. Or if you want to save some dough, the same connection with a 300GB cap for $25.

TekSavvy has the right approach. Set your default pricepoint with a reasonable cap (like 300GB). Then provide a slightly cheaper option (75GB cap) and slightly more expensive option (unlimited) to account for the increased or decreased costs to provide those usages.

Most people realize that bandwidth isn't free (especially not with TekSavvy paying government-approved usage-based-billing to suppliers), but if you charge a reasonable amount extra for your unlimited service, people are generally cool with that.
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5 megabit cable service with unlimited bandwidth for $35. Or if you want to save some dough, the same connection with a 300GB cap for $25.
TekSavvy has the right approach.

that is impressive.

I wish more companies did this here. Most don't seem to even care about enforcing a hard limit unless you push it, but it sure would be nice to say "here is $10 more per month for leaving me alone..."

Wilsdom

join:2009-08-06

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Re: I'll go even further.

Still a monarchy, obviously it's going to be backwards. USA should liberate it and its oil.

prairiesky

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reply to osravens

Re: Makes Me Laugh...

except that the last mile and tech is the limiting factor. A programmer can create a program/service that'll max a 1 gig line, and it can be done next week. To get a 1 gig line, takes months if not years. See the problem?

I'd argue that caps actually promotes innovation. Innovation is solving a problem with given constraints. It's about doing more with less

LucasLee

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Re: I'll go even further.

said by Wilsdom:

Still a monarchy, obviously it's going to be backwards. USA should liberate it and its oil.

yeah, cause the american economy would be such a desirable party to join?

nothing like selling tickets for a sinking cruise ship.

another point, if this discussion is actually about the canadian broadband industry, it's worth pointing out that canada doesn't have a "First Amendment", it has a Charter of Rights.

that's not to say the prominent caps and overage system offered by the major incumbent providers isn't offensive to consumers.


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Re: Sarandos losing touch with reality

Well in Canada, the big telco providers will only ding you upto "$100" /mo extra for going over their caps. That's excessive, in both cases under the law those are punitive and would fall afoul of the law, and in turn a human rights abuse s.2 of our charter of rights and freedoms. Especially as more cancuks bail from traditional media and go online only.

Canadian laws and protections differ vastly from American laws and protection.
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Re: Makes Me Laugh...

That is not true. My sister has no options besides Telus or Bell up in her market(Grande Cache), she's can't get any other ISP. There are no unlimited options. And since Telus keeps pushing back the DSLAM upgrades, there are no cardslots available which means that the only option right now for many is bells exceptionally expensive 4G wireless service.

Complaints to the CRTC = deaf ears.

funny

join:2010-12-22

what cap

i dont have no stinkin cap 5 megabit unlimited about 1600 GB a month if i had the cash to store the universe on LOL

and i can get 14megabit unlimited which is nearly 3 times that....( its a 25 megabit account that can only do that speed i like them being actually honest. [nexicom] that is....

prairiesky

join:2008-12-08
canada
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Re: Makes Me Laugh...

she has plenty of options, they're all just not handed to her on a platter for the low cost of $45/month. For the right price, someone will be able to provide her with an unlimited option, she just may not be willing to pay it.


Mashiki
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Nope she has no options. I was out there ~5 months ago there were no options and even I checked. I checked again 3 days ago, and spent the better part of half the day on the phone while she was at work checking for her too. There are either no card slots available, or no availability for her. There is one cable provider who doesn't provide to her part of the town.


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