Re: Nothing strange about this objective. Do you realize how many gigs one hd stream from Netflix is? How are you going to stream movies to replaces your non-digital copies with that 10GB data cap with your Verizon LTE Home Fusion service? Hope you don't need to update Windows or Mac in the same month you decide to watch your politician documentary in HD. You may not download or save something to you hard drive anymore as you claim, but when you stream Netflix or Youtube you are actually still temporarily downloading the file to your computer.
These companies are only trying to take advantage of the consumer as usual. They say, we need more spectrum blah blah blah, but if they can't handle what traffic they have now how are they going to handle millions of DSL customers that are used to using as much data as they want without taking out a second mortgage. They refuse to build more towers now to ease spectrum crunch so what makes you think they will when they kill of DSL. What they will do is charge major overages to keep network traffic in check.
Wireless needs to complement wire, not replace it.
Santa Monica, CA
Re: Nothing strange about this objective.
said by Skippy25:As long as you're willing to pay for the use, so be it.
See you corporate friendly folks seem to forget what the internet was and why it was corrected.
The internet exist to provide it's users whatever they want.
But don't expect a free ride, subsidized by your neighbors.
Santa Monica, CA
Re: Nothing strange about this objective.
said by Skippy25:That actually has two contexts.
My bad... what did you mean by "But don't expect a free ride, subsidized by your neighbors."?
(1) Don't expect the taxpayers to fund a "muni" network, just because you want fiber optics and you're not willing to pay the cost yourself. Verizon has shown for six years that the majority does not want to pay for fiber; Google KC will reaffirm this. When you bang the drum to have City Hall install and operate a network for you, inevitably the funding for that network comes not only from general tax revenues and municipal giveaways (tax $), but also federal tax money and some form of property tax - all paid for by folks who may not want the service - your neighbors, near and far.
(2) By insisting that all of us pay the same flat rate - "socializing" the price of broadband, you are, in effect, asking low-volume users to pay the same as high-volume users - that's a subsidy. We can disagree on the extent of the subsidy - be it a penny or a hundred bucks, but it is a subsidy.
said by Skippy25:If you have a beef with the "large companies" that have "benefited" from these "perks" over the years, I suggest you research their stock and buy in, rather than ranting over perceived injustices. Plenty of large companies have gone bankrupt chasing broadband/cable/telecom dreams, incentives or no.
BTW, the entire network has been subsidized by the entire country through taxes incentives and several other "perks" given to these companies.
There is a reason AT&T and Verizon turn down rural broadband grants.
I'm not opposed to re-regulating the last-mile in non-competitive markets, i.e. rural settings, in order to assure fiber or VDSL/ADSL2+ or fixed-LTE is deployed, and the FCC has some rights to examine the issue.
But beware, re-establishing a monopoly would result in much higher rates, when rural subscribers are already, largely unwilling to pay even today's modest urban rates.
Santa Monica, CA
Re: Nothing strange about this objective.
said by CXM_Splicer:There is no such thing as "free".
(1) You are going to compare uptake of an expensive commercial service to cheap (sometimes FREE) broadband? Why don't you simply admit that if free municipal fiber was in YOUR area, you would dump your current provider in a second. True there will be some people who don't use/want the service but there are also some people who don't have kids that still pay school taxes... people who never call the police that still pay their salary... do you need me to go on? We live in socialistic communities whether you like it or not. Municipal broadband projects are the way to go.
If there was a municipal service in my area, claiming to be "free", I would evaluate it, but I would choose to pay a commercial provider.
said by CXM_Splicer:If you have a household of six, with twelve connected devices and HDTV's, downloading and streaming to your hearts' content, yes, you probably should pay more than the little old lady reading her email in her single apartment on her iPad. While this can mostly be addressed with speed tiers, the entry-level plan would probably have to have a cap.
(2) Are you saying that I should pay more for my 10 Mb/s connection than you pay for the same connection because I download twice as much as you? Ridiculous! You are paying your ISP for a pipe... not what gets send down the pipe. That is not a subsidy, it is getting what you pay for.
If you have a beef with the "large companies" that have "benefited" from these "perks" over the years, I suggest you research their stock and buy in, rather than ranting over perceived injustices.
said by CXM_Splicer:I'm completely against business getting any form of subsidy.
Haha but when business gets a subsidy you are fine with that?!?! Sorry, but what a system has obvious flaws you don't jump on the bandwagon and make the situation worse... you FIX the problem.
But the reality is that as individuals, while we rarely have the opportunity to influence our government to stop stealing from us, we usually do have the choice to buy stock in the companies that may, or may not, be profiting, at our expense.
When the populists rail against the Fortune 500, they neglect to observe that most of those companies are held by our mutual funds - pensions and retirement accounts. You can whine all you want, and in fact, I'll join you in calling for certain regulations, but in the end, the big picture isn't going to change much, so buying-in is your best defense.
Munis do not fix the problem; they just assign the cost to the taxpayers.
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I don't always need HD quality. In fact if it really matters (in a film of merit) I will likely buy a copy (like I did for Lord of the Rings). I watch all my TV shows on Netflix in crud quality, why not, it was only so good when it aired originally. I like the nostalgia feel of watching it how I recall it. Currently enjoying MacGuyver.
I should mention, it took me 3 years to burn out 20 years of accumulated video collecting in VHS format. Old movie classic, old TV show classics, documentaries. I no longer require massive sums of data movement, as I finished getting what I wanted around 2005.
Can't speak for anyone south of the border, or even in the rest of Canada, but, I don't suffer overages. Ever. But then I have had the brains to get my service from Teksavvy. Nexicom could likely do the same level of service though. I watch Netflix all the time, the wife uses it too and I have an 18 year old hardcore gamer. We seem to be happy with our capacity.
Then again, I am not being forced to endure some idiotic cap. I have 300 a month with Teksavvy at the moment. I could always get unlimited from Nexicom for the same price.
Making comments like 'wireless will never...." is folly. I've seen too many technologies do things we said couldn't be done just a few years earlier. The specs of my first PC in 1990 are laughable now. They seemed impressive then. And the internet in 1990 sure wasn't what it is today.
Oh and I am not saying I have any love of corporations, but, I am also not one of those 'the customer is king', or 'the customer is always right' idiots. Nope, I believe make a good product or service and it will succeed if there is a market. Bend over for the customer without question and you will get it up the ass too.
I am not saying that copper cable is worse, but, I have no use for cable companies. I can't recall where I watched it, but I saw something about fibre that mentioned already present fibre that merely needs to be exploited the same way cable was made an option when before it was not even being used. Once upon a time, a phone line was only used for telephone calls. The phone lines were not put there for internet traffic.
ATT say I like Directv + DSL Don't want to have to pick form ATT stay I like Directv + DSL Don't want to have to pick form 2 cable systems with poor TV.
WOW! has no NFL network, or other sports channels also there Ultra TV box costs are high (but better then Comcast multi room)
They also like detroit more as they get FS HD and FS + HD.
But we get no CSN + HD.
Comcast sucks as well No big ten alt HD, really old and out of date iguide , channel map is a big mess, no goal line HD, limmted HBO, MAX, starz, and show HD, need to buy movie channel on it's own (not part of showtime), and you need sports pack to get
speed, fox movie, Crime & Investigation Network, Military History, HRTV and others.
Huge Drawback Verizon and ATT will be getting rid of high profit businesses too. Our Phone service here at work is based off of a verizon t-1.
With verizon dropping copper service we will be forced to go with our fiber provider for phone service.
I think verizon and att are not thinking about how much money they will lose from the business side of the equation.
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They were protected from competition all those years. These former regulated utilities were protected from competition for all these years.
AT&T, the phone company, the power company, the water and gas company, all were protected form pesky competitors. They were guaranteed a ROI and in exchange they had to provide adequate service.
That was then. Now, we need internet service and guess what? There are those copper wires that they were given easements to put in, and we paid to put them in and maintain them all those years. The phone company never paid for that, it was paid by the ratepayers. As a regulated monopoly. Remember those "Rate Cases?"
Now they are all big and they want to be able to do what they want, screw us as much as they can and raise the rates and charge overages. They don't want to be regulated. They don't want to be forced by the government or by law to provide a level of service they might find inconvenient.
But guess what? You can't undo the last 100 years, all the money they got from *US* to build and maintain their copper plant, to build and maintain central offices, to pay their employees, all that was from US.
The ILECs need to be forever regulated because of what went on before, unless they want to pay back the last 100 years of guaranteed profit, and to pay me $400 a month for the easement they have back on my property line.
And yeah, I do want to go back the whole time. I want all the money they owe me if they want to be free of regulation.
There isn't enough money in the world to undo the guaranteed profit these companies have made because of being protected from pesky competition in the past.
They must remain regulated, and we need an internet user bill of rights to protect us from them now that they want to dump us. The think they don't need us anymore, but after all this time they need more regulation, not less.
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As important as "information services" are to our econ As important as "information services" are to our economy.
All internet and "information services" should be regulated as utilities.
"Information services" carrying VOIP data should be regulated as telecommunications systems.
It's not the data, the medium, or the technology that should be the defining factor but the usage of such services.
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AT&T wants to have its cake & eat it too The main problem is the fact that AT&T wants to abandon all of its wired customers besides itself. It doesn't want to maintain wireline service (or fiber) to end users, but it doesn't want anybody *else* to be able to do it, either.
It wants to finance laying fiber to its own cell towers under the guise of U-verse using USF funds and profits from their remaining landline customers, without actually spending a cent to make the service competitive (or often, even available... many alleged "U-verse" neighborhoods have no customers besides... an AT&T cell tower). They lay the fiber to their tower, then "forget" to build the VRAD for everyone else to use.
The time is long overdue for the government to force a new breakup of AT&T... this time, forcing them to sell off their landline and fiber business to someone who genuinely wants it, and who's willing to operate it as a true common carrier who'll lease and peer fiber to anyone who wants it, on equal arms-length terms.
The big problem with Comcast (and DOCSIS in general) is the fact that cable companies aren't, and have no interest in being, "carrier-grade reliable". They're perfectly content to let their service go down whenever commercial power does, and maybe issue a prorated piddling refund to customers who complain loudly, instead of spending the money to build their own robust backup power.
Cable (and now, AT&T) unreliability is a particularly sore point in Florida, where hurricane-induced extended power outages are common (I had no power for almost a MONTH after Hurricane Wilma... in the middle of Coral Gables, no less. My DSL never quit working, once I figured out that I had to double-convert power from the generator to make the DSL modem happy), and pre-AT&T BellSouth's ability to keep running through anything short of nuclear attack was legendary.
BellSouth's central offices were concrete bunkers built to LITERALLY survive downtown Miami getting nuked by up to 3 warheads, most of their wires were buried, and they had enough backup power to keep everything running for more than a week... from batteries, no less. People emerged from Hurricane Andrew's rubble, and phones making "off-hook" noises underneath... and many were able to place long-distance calls to tell loved ones they thought they were about to die as their homes came down around them. Yeah, BellSouth really WAS *that* good until the bean-counters from SBC (oops, I mean "AT&T") took them over and turned them into penny-pinching misers willing to neglect our phone system into the ground (the way CSX does to its railroad tracks) in an effort to wring every last drop of equity out of the bloodied carcass of our once-proud phone system before kicking it to the curb and abandoning it.