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Comments on news posted 2012-09-24 09:25:39: To get the NBC acquisition approved, Comcast last year proposed a condition requiring they offer $10, 1.5 Mbps broadband tier (dubbed "Internet Essentials") to low income homes. ..

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pnh102
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Fight On Comcast

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As you might expect, most low-income homes live in debt, and much of that debt is for a very common service (TV).
I've always contended that Comcast's $10/month service should be available to all of its customers, and I hate to defend Comcast here but why should they be forced to provide service to deadbeats who don't pay their bills?

Perhaps these people, especially if they are in such dire financial straits, ought to re-think their need for pay-tv services. TV isn't essential under any circumstances.
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Alex J

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I hate to defend Comcast here but why should they be forced to provide service to deadbeats who don't pay their bills?

Comcast proposed this entire idea themselves.


pnh102
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said by Alex J :

I hate to defend Comcast here but why should they be forced to provide service to deadbeats who don't pay their bills?

Comcast proposed this entire idea themselves.

But the conditions of the service being offered (barring other difficulties) required that the customer in question not owe money to Comcast. When it comes to persons who do owe money to Comcast, why should Comcast be compelled to offer this or any other kind of service?
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brianiscool

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Internet

How will providing cheap internet to the poor improve the economy?


Alex J

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Re: Fight On Comcast

When it comes to persons who do owe money to Comcast, why should Comcast be compelled to offer this or any other kind of service?

That was one of a dozen conditions that Comcast knew would make the impact minimal. If they're going to offer to do it, I see no problem with making them do it right.


Alex J

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Re: Internet

Why does everything have to "improve the economy." Why can't we just help one another once in a while like compassionate human beings?

tmc8080

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holding companies accountable...

Comcast seems to be whining.. hey.. you never bothered to enforce that low cost DSL service with AT&T, why should we have to fill empty promises either..

Well, friends.. the pendulum is swinging back.. and in some small way people can stop thinking things are so bad (economy wise)

-- oh yeah, they still are.. then you wonder why so many people got Comcast services on the "cheap" through a 3rd party contactor.. no dobut contractors turned on cablemodems too for a "set" yearly price too.. ($100?)


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Re: Internet

said by brianiscool:

How will providing cheap internet to the poor improve the economy?

I don't think this has anything to do with the general economy.

brianiscool

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If you keep on giving cheaper stuff to the poor. They will continue to stay where they are. We should not subsidize prices for the poor. This will just want them to remain at a low salary rate.


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More DSLR Conjecture

said by Karl Bode :
As you might expect, most low-income homes live in debt, and much of that debt is for a very common service (TV).[
Says who?

Meanwhile why should OTHER RATEPAYERS be subsidizing service for anyone? It seems the philanthropists (with everyone else's money) in government forget that Comcast doesn't print money.

If the government wants to give stuff away, let the politicians go into their own pockets to do it instead of stealing it from Comcast subscribers.


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Re: holding companies accountable...

How about holding individuals accountable?
You owe Comcast Money.... pay it BEFORE you get a special discount on new services.
Why doesn't Philadelphia pay off their old bills, so Comcast could then provide service under the terms they ALL agreed to as part of the deal.

And why do you repeatly suggest cable theft (even when enabled by crooked contractors) is an acceptable alternetive to only using what you can afford to pay for?

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Comcast's low income offering and the merger.

I wonder if Comcast might end up regretting the merger with NBC similar to the way Sprint regrets the merger with Nextel. That stupid move was pushed by merger and acquisition people who were really the only ones who made money. The greatness of Nextel was destroyed and Sprint poured the limited capital it had into the attempted merging of two totally incompatible cultures, networks, clients, and regulatory systems. I think the money would have been better spent improving Sprint's cellular geographic coverage. They could have done a proper study of WiMax prior to considering getting involved in that technology. They probably would have never gotten involved with WiMax if they had researched it correctly.

I wonder what great opportunities Comcast has missed by getting involved in content production through the merger with NBC.


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reply to brianiscool

Re: Internet

said by brianiscool:

If you keep on giving cheaper stuff to the poor. They will continue to stay where they are. We should not subsidize prices for the poor. This will just want them to remain at a low salary rate.

Yeah i'm quite sure the poor really want to stay at a low salary rate. :/

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Comcast Offered This

Considering that Comcast offered this up as a silver platter to get conditional approval, I think that tells us a lot about the profitability of broadband, and how badly we're being ripped off by monopoly pricing.


PapaMidnight

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Re: Internet

said by kdwycha:

said by brianiscool:

If you keep on giving cheaper stuff to the poor. They will continue to stay where they are. We should not subsidize prices for the poor. This will just want them to remain at a low salary rate.

Yeah i'm quite sure the poor really want to stay at a low salary rate. :/

There's no way [brianiscool] actually said that in all seriousness...


pnh102
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said by PapaMidnight:

There's no way [brianiscool] actually said that in all seriousness...

It is still a true statement nonetheless. If someone can make a "good enough" "living" by being on food stamps, Medicaid, SSDI, LIHEAP, LifeLink (government provided cell phones) and any other number of welfare programs, then where's the incentive to move to a job?
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thequestione

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question

if comcast didnt enfore the people owing money, couldnt they theoretically just sign up for the service, not pay, get disconnected, then sign up again?

brianiscool

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They get used to it and no ambition occurs.

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It is true. I know several people who do it. The only thing they are driven to do is keep having children so they can get more welfare. I am not joking.


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People who ask this don't understand the power that the internet gives to knowledge. I'm sure you guys will just say they'll surf for porn, but why even have schools then? Ever met a school kid?


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Widen the net maybe...

But if you can't pay your bills you don't deserve service.

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Re: question

That would be one bad result of not enforcing payment for previous Comcast bills.


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Internet for all

In Massachusetts, if a debt is over six years old (and the creditor has not bothered to file suit), then it is a dead debt as the statute of limitations has expired.

As for Internet, it is becoming as essential as basic telephone service. If you want to apply for a job, most companies require you to apply for employment on their website. Many things are done online these days such as paying bills, banking, among other things. Going to a library or community center (with very limited hours of operation due to budget cuts) is no longer viable as you cannot complete a job application in a 30 minute slot. In Massachusetts, you can apply for food stamps online via the state website. Financial aid for college is also an online application. Many school projects are also online.

I do think there should be a low cap on Internet essentials (such as 50 or 100 gb) so they have plenty of data to do essential things (such as searching for a job or accessing educational opportunities) but not enough data to do fun things such as gaming, streaming HD movies, etc.

The postal service is on the brink of collapse so when that happens, the Internet will be the only way of communication besides the telephone. It will probably be within my lifetime that legal notices (such as court summons, eviction notices, subpoenas, etc) will be served by E-mail and carry the same legal weight as a paper notice.
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pnh102
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Re: Fight On Comcast

said by Alex J :

That was one of a dozen conditions that Comcast knew would make the impact minimal. If they're going to offer to do it, I see no problem with making them do it right.

So then what's the problem? If people are being denied this offer because they owe money to Comcast, then why is it wrong for Comcast to deny them service, as per the terms of the offer?
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Fair

These requirements are pretty fair. If you're already paying for service, you can technically afford it. If you owe Comcast money, then why should they continue to provide you with a service?

I know far too many people that can't afford basic necessities, but somehow manage to have cable TV.

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Re: Widen the net maybe...

I thought I'd tune into the comments to pick up on some of the usual poor- folk bashing, and it started right out with this:

"why should they be forced to provide service to deadbeats who don't pay their bills?"

Arggggh! SOME PEOPLE CANNOT MAKE GOOD MONEY, ALRIGHT.

When I grew up in Texas long ago my dad was a WWII veteran with partial disability due to PTSD (not called that then). He was plagued by debilitating depression and some other things. My mom was a war bride from Scotland, shy by nature, who was totally out of place in Texas, which only made her shyer and more withdrawn.

The best they could do is run a small ma and pa store. The cash flow was tiny. The were often late on their bills, and worried constantly about next month's bills. Later they went bankrupt because their store was on the "Dallas Highway", which was replaced by the new Interstate.
There was just no way out for them.

The current failure of much of America to extend themselves a little and comprehend that not all people are effective economic actors, or have the capability to be, disgusts me. Believe it or not, folks, compassion is an age-old virtue, although your Right ideology has virtually destroyed it on the public stage.

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Re: Fight On Comcast

said by pnh102:

I've always contended that Comcast's $10/month service should be available to all of its customers, and I hate to defend Comcast here but why should they be forced to provide service to deadbeats who don't pay their bills?

Make it $20/mo and extend it to everybody. $20/mo is more than fair for 3mbit/s service, and it's blatantly unfair to compel them via force of law to offer a "basic" or "essentials" tier that's only available to a select few at the expense of everybody else. The law also compels them to offer a broadcast only tier for those people who can't get OTA reception, and access to that tier is not limited to the poor.

No State shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

14th Amendment, United States Constitution. This violates the spirit, and likely the letter of that clause. There is no reason why the poor (however you define them) are more worthy of access to a lower tier of broadband service than the rest of us. Many people could get by just fine with 3mbit/s service. Too bad most of them are in the middle class and will be compelled to pony up $40/mo or more for a higher level of service they don't need.

And, btw, concur wholeheartedly on the bit about customers in arrears. The electric company is not compelled to turn on people in arrears without a payment arrangement, why should Comcast be? If nothing else they could offer a three or six month repayment plan, which is what the electric utility would do in most jurisdictions.


pnh102
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I could definitely agree with a $20/month for 3mbit service price point. But I do feel they should have had more stringent conditions imposed in exchange for approval of the NBC merger (which I think should never have been allowed in the first place).

Assuming a customer is in good standing, the "for the poor" argument conveniently allows for Comcast to wiggle out of fulfilling this commitment. If the requirement was for "everyone in good standing" then this would not be an issue.
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pnh102
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Re: Widen the net maybe...

said by dianasatyr:

I thought I'd tune into the comments to pick up on some of the usual poor- folk bashing, and it started right out with this:

"why should they be forced to provide service to deadbeats who don't pay their bills?"

Arggggh! SOME PEOPLE CANNOT MAKE GOOD MONEY, ALRIGHT.

When I grew up in Texas long ago my dad was a WWII veteran with partial disability due to PTSD (not called that then). He was plagued by debilitating depression and some other things. My mom was a war bride from Scotland, shy by nature, who was totally out of place in Texas, which only made her shyer and more withdrawn.

The best they could do is run a small ma and pa store. The cash flow was tiny. The were often late on their bills, and worried constantly about next month's bills. Later they went bankrupt because their store was on the "Dallas Highway", which was replaced by the new Interstate.
There was just no way out for them.

The current failure of much of America to extend themselves a little and comprehend that not all people are effective economic actors, or have the capability to be, disgusts me. Believe it or not, folks, compassion is an age-old virtue, although your Right ideology has virtually destroyed it on the public stage.

Did your parents spend money they didn't have on things they did not need? If they grew up in the first Great Depression then my guess is probably not.

Again, I affirm that cable TV is not a life-critical service under any circumstances. If you have trouble making ends meet, then perhaps you should consider dropping that before you complain about having no money.
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said by dianasatyr:

I thought I'd tune into the comments to pick up on some of the usual poor- folk bashing, and it started right out with this:

"why should they be forced to provide service to deadbeats who don't pay their bills?"

Arggggh! SOME PEOPLE CANNOT MAKE GOOD MONEY, ALRIGHT.

When I grew up in Texas long ago my dad was a WWII veteran with partial disability due to PTSD (not called that then). He was plagued by debilitating depression and some other things. My mom was a war bride from Scotland, shy by nature, who was totally out of place in Texas, which only made her shyer and more withdrawn.

The best they could do is run a small ma and pa store. The cash flow was tiny. The were often late on their bills, and worried constantly about next month's bills. Later they went bankrupt because their store was on the "Dallas Highway", which was replaced by the new Interstate.
There was just no way out for them.

The current failure of much of America to extend themselves a little and comprehend that not all people are effective economic actors, or have the capability to be, disgusts me. Believe it or not, folks, compassion is an age-old virtue, although your Right ideology has virtually destroyed it on the public stage.

Well why stop there? If you are entitled to free cable, why not free houses? Free cars?

I'm not rich by any means, but I have ambitions. I also try to be responsible. I try to pay my bills.

Do you even know what the word responsibility is hippy? or am I now one of the right?