 IllIlIlllIllEliteDataPremium
join:2003-07-06
Hampton Bays, NY
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| fios People should hope that (a-holes) VZ sell the Fios and copper Networks or hope that Google comes and wire VZ's Fios unupgraded neglected cities |
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 mech1164I'll Be Back
join:2001-11-19
Lodi, NJ | Follow the money Personally I'm a bit sad about this. The product was probably one of the best example of forward thinking. Then it ran into the W$ insatiable hunger for profits at any cost. When VZ saw what people will put up with to get cell service they couldn't get out of wireline fast enough. And now with their capitulation with Cable, FIOS is not going anywhere anymore. Will it come back? May not be by them but yes it will. Our infrastructure is just to old not to. Who will do it that;s another question? |
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Idiot Local Governments I wonder how all those local governments which insisted on ridiculous and unreasonable conditions in exchange for the right to deploy FIOS, but who were slapped down (Boston, I'm looking at you), feel now?
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Re: 9; Actually, it was just another example of the private sector not having the stomach or willpower to push a project like this.
This is precisely why government needs to step in an own a wholesale FTTH network that anyone can use to deliver high-speed internet to Americans. |
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Re: Follow the money Profit before the interests of the American people and America is the underlying creed of these companies.
Building on your point, they are now charging $40 for 300mb (shared), so its a cash-cow for them. They know that between them and At&T, Americans realistically have nowhere else to go.
Yet much like the 2007 economic collapse, the Republican base cheers this own and blames everyone but the perpetrators. |
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said by mech1164:And now with their capitulation with Cable, FIOS is not going anywhere anymore. Will it come back? He didn't say they'll never be expanding their footprint, he said, "And at this point we won't build beyond that, because at this point we have to capitalize on what we have invested."
Verizon has a limited amount of capital to invest in network expansion, and much of that capital is currently going to the LTE build. Wireless is still a growth industry, there are millions of people out there that don't have smartphones, and it makes sense for Verizon to focus on grabbing as many of them as they can.
To be sure, there is money to be made on the wireline side of things, but there isn't as much growth potential as with wireless. Most people who are willing to sign up for a triple play already have, so at this point the only way to expand your customer base is to engage in a price war with the cable companies. Such a price war isn't necessary in wireless, not yet anyway, because it's still a growth market. You don't have to undermine your competition when there are plenty of new customers to go around for everybody.
The wireless market will mature by the end of the decade, perhaps sooner, and at that point Verizon will have the spare capital to put back into the wireline network. |
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 Irun Manwhat obstacle?Premium
join:2002-10-18
Walden, NY | they aren't dumb They've been reading the tea leaves for years and are placing all their chips in wireless. They're getting existing VZW customers accustomed to bandwidth restrictions now so that new customers don't feel shortchanged. Too bad for wireline, unfortunately consumers are cutting the cord in more ways than one and FiOS won't be relevant or necessary in their world.
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | reply to Telco
Re: 9; said by Telco:This is precisely why government needs to step in an own a wholesale FTTH network that anyone can use to deliver high-speed internet to Americans. That worked quite well for Amtrak.
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 Noah VailSon made my AvatarPremium
join:2004-12-10
Lorton, VA
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In the above photo - Fran Shammo |
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mech1164I'll Be Back
join:2001-11-19
Lodi, NJ | reply to Crookshanks
Re: Follow the money said by Crookshanks:said by mech1164:And now with their capitulation with Cable, FIOS is not going anywhere anymore. Will it come back? To be sure, there is money to be made on the wireline side of things, but there isn't as much growth potential as with wireless. Most people who are willing to sign up for a triple play already have, so at this point the only way to expand your customer base is to engage in a price war with the cable companies. Such a price war isn't necessary in wireless, not yet anyway, because it's still a growth market. You don't have to undermine your competition when there are plenty of new customers to go around for everybody. The wireless market will mature by the end of the decade, perhaps sooner, and at that point Verizon will have the spare capital to put back into the wireline network. First you just made my point. They DON'T want to compete period.
Second if you do believe this I have a Bridge to sell you CHEAP! |
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Re: they aren't dumb The sad thing about all of this - this is actually a step backward for this country to get a better, faster and more reliable internet. The more this is in the hands of corporations like Verizon, etc, the more this is going to happen. They want maximum profits for their shareholders which results in a crappy product for their customers. They will deliver just a good enough product to keep the majority of customers quiet and paying them every month. The concept of reinvesting the money you get back into the product to deliver an even better product is quite frankly out the window. Until the infrastructure gets out of the hands of them, this is how it'll work. |
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mech1164I'll Be Back
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Lodi, NJ | reply to Noah Vail
Re: About that picture. You missed one ALL THE ABOVE.:D |
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Re: 9; Funny you pick Amtrak, why not the highway system? Oh that's right.. it would be contradictory to the BS you are trying to spread.
Amtrak is a niche form of traveling whereas a nationwide fiber infrastructure is vital to the entire country's digital future. |
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| Verizon FioS... ..how we blinded the feds to give us incentive not to be forward thinking, wrote off millions in advertising for a service you won't get and failed to deliver a solid, long-term investment.
Sums that up. LTE? Really...a solution to a problem that could have been prevented. 
Forsale: Verizon FiOS Hummer...
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Re: Idiot Local Governments And they are only going to continue to expand in markets that the local government put requirements on them to do so. Funny how that works huh? They don't go to one city because that place wants conditions met and yet they are now stuck meeting conditions put on them by others. Which is exactly the way it should be.
Personally, I dont think they should have been allowed to expand any part of their network unless they committed 100% to replacing every copper line with fiber within that city. If they didnt do that, the city should start a muni project. |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | reply to Skippy25
Re: 9; said by Skippy25:Funny you pick Amtrak, why not the highway system? Oh that's right.. it would be contradictory to the BS you are trying to spread. How is what I said BS? Can you prove to me that Amtrak is efficient, profitable and well-run? Some citations would be helpful.
said by Skippy25:Amtrak is a niche form of traveling whereas a nationwide fiber infrastructure is vital to the entire country's digital future. That's your opinion, you can invest in it with your own money.
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1 edit | Change of direction.... From what I have heard, VZ will be focusing more on wireless/cellular type development going forward. They are currently working on trying to reduce the number of hops and the latency over these types of networks to provide better and more services. If this is true, it would make sense that they would not build out the FTTH any longer and also shelf the copper side. They own a huge number of towers and have the bandwidth on the backbone, why not? If it becomes feasible, then all your services (TV, phone, and internet) would be delivered over wireless/cellular based networks and reducing your plant and labor costs for delivery.
They are also on a push for IP based services. Example, streaming TV service without being on their network to any device, intergration of the RedBox service, etc.
From what I was told, this is where most of their R&D is going. |
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DampierPhillip M Dampier
join:2003-03-23
Rochester, NY | reply to Crookshanks
Re: Follow the money said by Crookshanks:said by mech1164:And now with their capitulation with Cable, FIOS is not going anywhere anymore. Will it come back? He didn't say they'll never be expanding their footprint, he said, "And at this point we won't build beyond that, because at this point we have to capitalize on what we have invested." Verizon has a limited amount of capital to invest in network expansion, and much of that capital is currently going to the LTE build. Wireless is still a growth industry, there are millions of people out there that don't have smartphones, and it makes sense for Verizon to focus on grabbing as many of them as they can. To be sure, there is money to be made on the wireline side of things, but there isn't as much growth potential as with wireless. Most people who are willing to sign up for a triple play already have, so at this point the only way to expand your customer base is to engage in a price war with the cable companies. Such a price war isn't necessary in wireless, not yet anyway, because it's still a growth market. You don't have to undermine your competition when there are plenty of new customers to go around for everybody. The wireless market will mature by the end of the decade, perhaps sooner, and at that point Verizon will have the spare capital to put back into the wireline network. You are dreaming, unfortunately.
CapEx on wireless is already flat to down, according to Shammo. Despite the cost reductions for LTE as that network matures, Shammo is not saying he is taking the savings to spend elsewhere. The overwhelming bulk of spending on wireline is to support Verizon Wireless cell towers.
Wireless growth is slowing, and AT&T and VZW have a cozy relationship with nearly identical pricing, so why start a price war to pick off customers from each other when you are both sitting pretty. All of the future boosts in ARPU will come from pricing adjustments and milking usage-based pricing for data. ARPU up equals a happy Wall Street.
The only way Verizon is going to spend money on FiOS expansion is if it is tied to some regulatory matter they are trying to get passed Washington. Example: Verizon acquires another cell company and, in return, promises to restart the FiOS build. Or Verizon wants out of the landline business in rural America and agrees to restart FiOS buildout to compensate.
The cable-wireless cross-promotion deal has built in disincentives for marketing FiOS. Verizon could easily tolerate this pushing the cable product in FiOS-less markets it has no intention of entering, now or later.
My personal feeling is the current Verizon CEO sees FiOS as a giant CapEx mistake made by a predecessor, and he wants to put a period on it for Wall Street worried about increased spending.
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