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Comments on news posted 2012-10-04 08:44:19: As many as surmised, Samsung plans to attack the patent-owning jury foreman as part of their plan to get the $1 billion patent loss against Apple overturned. ..

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brianiscool

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Samsung

You lost deal with it! You are thieves and stole from Apple.


Metatron2008
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If you look at the transcripts...

He was asked for any time, not 10 years, which means he commited perjury.


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said by brianiscool:

You lost deal with it! You are thieves and stole from Apple.

No.
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Thing is Cr-apple should not have won, when prior art said they could not win. Square with round corners, Cr-apple: "yeah we came up with that idea". In reality they did no such thing. They just had the jury stocked with apple supporters and a judge that was an apple supporter.


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Re: If you look at the transcripts...

said by Metatron2008:

He was asked for any time, not 10 years, which means he commited perjury.

If true: He's in deep kimchi. Courts look very unfavourably on perjury.

I wonder if he might find himself civilly liable, as well, for damaging Samsung?

Jim


fanboiiscool

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Re: Samsung

said by brianiscool:

You lost deal with it! You are thieves and stole from Apple.

Sorry fanboiiscool, but they lost because of a stacked deck. And now the world is getting a peek under the covers of the hampster cage that is the american court system. Fair and just my left butt check.

The courts have become about popularity and who you can buy !

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said by cpsycho:

Thing is Cr-apple should not have won, when prior art said they could not win. Square with round corners, Cr-apple: "yeah we came up with that idea". In reality they did no such thing. They just had the jury stocked with apple supporters and a judge that was an apple supporter.

The round corner thing is ludicrous, but also a juror not indicating a potential conflict in a case of this size is unacceptable.

Nobody should own round corners, if Apple does, no car, no flashlight, or door knob, or spoon / spork is safe.
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reply to cpsycho
said by cpsycho:

Thing is Cr-apple should not have won, when prior art said they could not win. Square with round corners, Cr-apple: "yeah we came up with that idea". In reality they did no such thing. They just had the jury stocked with apple supporters and a judge that was an apple supporter.

Was it really "square with round corners"? If so, they certainly should not have won as their devices are rectangles with round corners.


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Re: If you look at the transcripts...

Can you post a link to the transcripts?


PA23

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from the voir dire (jury selection) transcript -

Do you see it state in the last 10 years have you ever been involved in a lawsuit? I most certainly don't.

THE NEXT QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU OR A
FAMILY MEMBER OR SOMEONE VERY CLOSE TO YOU EVER
BEEN INVOLVED IN A LAWSUIT, EITHER AS A PLAINTIFF,
A DEFENDANT, OR AS A WITNESS?

LET'S SEE. ON THE FIRST ROW, WHO WOULD
RAISE THEIR HAND TO THAT QUESTION?

ALL RIGHT. LET'S GO TO MR. HOGAN.

The full transcript can be gotten here: »www.groklaw.net/pdf4/ApplevSamsu···1Ex1.pdf

should be interesting and its far from over. Is Velvin Hogan guilty of perjury? don't know, IANAL plus he just has to say that he misunderstood the question and thought he heard the last 10 years, it probably takes him off the hook for perjury but still leaves the door wide open for Samsung to look to have the whole verdict tossed out.
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cpsycho

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Re: Samsung

I made a boo boo, you can sue me for a billion dollars.


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said by cpsycho:

I made a boo boo, you can sue me for a billion dollars.

Yes I can because I hold a patent on making boo boo's.


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said by fanboiiscool :

said by brianiscool:

You lost deal with it! You are thieves and stole from Apple.

Sorry fanboiiscool, but they lost because of a stacked deck. And now the world is getting a peek under the covers of the hampster cage that is the american court system. Fair and just my left butt check.

The courts have become about popularity and who you can buy !

+1 and QFTFT!
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cpsycho

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decifal

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Um, no, and if you want to get technical, Samsung has patents on the 4g technology apple is using in their Iphone5..

Personally I'm looking forward to a retrial and hopefully see a smackdown on the crying.. I would rather apple come back with an even greater product than to just sue the competition...

Lame


TheHelpful1
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reply to mob
said by mob:

said by fanboiiscool :

said by brianiscool:

You lost deal with it! You are thieves and stole from Apple.

Sorry fanboiiscool, but they lost because of a stacked deck. And now the world is getting a peek under the covers of the hampster cage that is the american court system. Fair and just my left butt check.

The courts have become about popularity and who you can buy !

+1 and QFTFT!

QFTFT???
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Re: from the voir dire (jury selection) transcript -

Most likely on the jury pool form it asked about 10 years (pretty standard question) but in voir dire the judge asked "ever".

Still if he remembered having sued, (individual filing suit yes, got a small check as part of a class action 20 years ago? maybe not?)
The court will have the facts and certainly question his motives (makes the court look bad, he certainly will be harshly punished for anything that can be proven)


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Re: If you look at the transcripts...

said by jseymour:

If true: He's in deep kimchi. Courts look very unfavourably on perjury.

In this case I doubt the courts do anything to him but sigh at the situation. A real example of perjury I think has much more deliberate component to lying then not mentioning a nearly 20 year old lawsuit.

The marital relationship between the two lawyers of the two cases I think is purely coincidental. They don't share the same last name and unless one of the spouses attended the other's case, I doubt Hagan would ever have reason to draw a connection. Plus it was nearly 20 years ago. I have trouble remembering who my teachers were 20 years ago and I'll guarantee I spent more time with them then a lawyer does with their client for a case.

I also think the Samsung-Seagate connection is stretching things. Weren't they competitors back in 1993? I guess maybe he could want to stick it to Samsung for having a partnership with a previous adversary...but I think that's just fishing for anything.

I wonder if he might find himself civilly liable, as well, for damaging Samsung?

No. Perjury is a criminal offense, not civil. Dating back to English common law lying under oath that there is no civil penalty. The courts have said that having witnesses come forward can be hard enough without the witness being under the potential threat of civil liability, regardless if they are telling the truth or not.

For instance, who would want to be on a jury in this case where either side has the potential to lose billions and both sides will dig through all jurors previous lives to find anything that they committed perjury about.


JolietJake

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The news snippet states that Hogan is a patent holder and was involved in litigation with Seagate, a computer product manufacturer. That means that Hogan has advanced or "sophisticated" knowledge as to computers and computer products and the patenting process As he was jury foreman, this would have given him an unfair advantage (unfair to Samsung) in persuading his fellow jurors during deliberations. Anything that came out of this jury is tainted and suspect. He could very well be charged with perjury (and should be). Whether or not Samsung will sue him, they may not want to take the focus off of Apple's wrongdoing.


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You sir are a fool. Apple stole ideas SINCE THEY STARTED... Xerox anyone? And you Apple fan, do some research and find out about that company you are defending! Example, the iPAD the design was based on a media device that was released by another company that made it in 2005 or 2006 before the iPad was released.

Oh on a side note, Microsoft is just as bad. But they stole from APPLE who stole.... It is so sad no one remembers computer history. For example M$-Dos was bought for around $50,000 from Seattle Computer. Which is not even 10% of what Microsoft should of given the creator of DOS. They should have at least given the creator a few million.


JolietJake

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Re: If you look at the transcripts...

Do you really think Hogan, described as publicity loving, would have forgotten that he was sued by Seagate, a prominent playing in the computer industry? He sounds arrogant and like someone who has waited 20 years to get back at the 'somsabitches' who sued him.

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False Verdict Should Be Overturned!

Samsung did not copy the iPhone. Sure they look a little bit alike with a big screen that has icons on it but that's where the similarity ends. If you take off the backs and compare the the Apple and Samsung phones they are completely different. Too bad the jury didn't get to see that. Also, I've been to crooked courts before so I know how Samsung must feel.


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Re: Samsung

said by TheHelpful1:

QFTFT???

Quoted For The Fvcking Truth


JolietJake

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Re: from the voir dire (jury selection) transcript -

By the way, the lawsuit Hogan is talking about was 2008!!! And a dispute over who owned the patent on computer software - and you don't think this would affect his judgment as the foreman of the jury?


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Re: Samsung

said by fanboiiscool :

the hampster cage

where any good lawyer can uncover dirty laundry to defend his assertion the deck was stacked. Lift the lid and you'll see it's all a card game.

Thanks for the really mixed metaphor.


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said by Suntop:

It is so sad no one remembers computer history. For example M$-Dos was bought for around $50,000 from Seattle Computer. Which is not even 10% of what Microsoft should of given the creator of DOS. They should have at least given the creator a few million.

They paid (what was at the time) a huge amount, for an O/S they weren't sure they could resell. BTW at that time MS didn't have a few million, even the $50k was risking everything. Had the IBM thing not worked out, MS would likely have been a blip on the PC timeline.


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said by brianiscool:

You lost deal with it! You are thieves and stole from Apple.

Try paying attention.


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Re: False Verdict Should Be Overturned!

said by ArizonaSteve:

Samsung did not copy the iPhone. Sure they look a little bit alike with a big screen that has icons on it but that's where the similarity ends. If you take off the backs and compare the the Apple and Samsung phones they are completely different. Too bad the jury didn't get to see that. Also, I've been to crooked courts before so I know how Samsung must feel.

Apple wouldn't want to disassemble the phones and reveal that half of their "magic" phone is made by Samsung


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Re: from the voir dire (jury selection) transcript -

Without a doubt he should have recused from ANY jury duty.
Too recent, too personal, too likely to have some prejudice about something/someone in the legal system.

Now he gets to see it from the defendent side