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Comments on news posted 2012-10-04 09:42:55: Microsoft continues to take heat on all fronts for enabling "do not track" as default in Internet Explorer 10. ..

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Mr Matt

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Unrequested advertising uses up subscribers data allowance!

The advertising pigs fail to mention that unrequested advertising uses up a subscribers data allowance because so many ISP's are employing CAPS! It would be like pigs Inc. send me an advertisement via the USPS and the USPS bills me for it. The ISP's love unsolicited advertising because subscriber will eventually wind up paying for the adds when they get a bill for exceeding their data allotment even is the tipping point is caused by advertisement downloads.

Angrychair

join:2000-09-20
Jacksonville, FL

How can you tell a corporate mouthpiece is lying?

His/her lips are moving.


Twaddle

@sbcglobal.net

A load of BS

What makes these people actually think I would desire to:
1. Pay attention to their irritating ads
2. Make a coherent decision to purchase sign up or engage such advertisers
3.Desire to pay for the downloading of their irritating ads.

M$S is a lot of things these days but at least they are giving us an option to opt-in rather than being screwed by the opt-out that never seems to actually work. Remind me to withhold any support of such sleazy advertisers of my hard-earned wallet contents.
Are you listening you bunch of sleazy douche bags a.k.a. the ANA


battleop

join:2005-09-28
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Out of character for Microsoft?

Setting up do not track as a default setting seems a little out of character for Microsoft.


n2jtx

join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY

Does It Really Matter?

The advertisers have a hole big enough to drive a truck through anyhow. They can simply ignore the setting, as many are doing now, and continue on their way. In fact, a WSJ article in this mornings links at »blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/10/02/ ··· k-pledge says they already work around the setting.

Unless your a running utilities such as AdBlock and Ghostery, you are trusting the advertisers to honor your request which is like trusting Bernie Madhoff to take care of your bank account.
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cableties
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reply to battleop

Re: Out of character for Microsoft?

said by battleop:

Setting up do not track as a default setting seems a little out of character for Microsoft.

Yeah, yet IE by default STILL doesn't empty Temp Items folder (no one needs to worry about dial-up refreshing of frequently used items...) yet this folder is primary dumpster for malware, etc...and first thing I script off.
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anONymousus

@verizon.net

screw the orifice

Stay strong Microsoft and don't ever allow any of the carrier orifice's to dictate their agenda's over what's right and in the consumers best interest.

NefCanuck

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reply to Mr Matt

Re: Unrequested advertising uses up subscribers data allowance!

Agreed, if the ISP wants to cap me and then advertisers bitch that I don't want to use my monthly allotted bandwidth to download their crap, maybe the advertisers can take a run at telling the ISP's off instead of M$...

Oh wait even the *ISP* is guilty of trying to shove ads down my throat

Sorry but NoScript & AdBlock for me until and unless this whole cap business is finally killed (which is never... so buzz off advertisers)

NefCanuck

8744675

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Decatur, GA

The pot calling the kettle black...

...harm consumers, hurt competition, and undermine American innovation...

AT&T should know all about that.

wrad

join:2003-09-11
Fort Pierce, FL

M$ Do Not Track

I applaud Microsoft's stance. Install ScriptNo on any of the Chromium-based browsers to learn who wants to keep track of you. It even gives the URL of the web-bugs.


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reply to n2jtx

Re: Does It Really Matter?

said by n2jtx:

The advertisers have a hole big enough to drive a truck through anyhow. They can simply ignore the setting, as many are doing now, and continue on their way. In fact, a WSJ article in this mornings links at »blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/10/02/ ··· k-pledge says they already work around the setting.

Unless your a running utilities such as AdBlock and Ghostery, you are trusting the advertisers to honor your request which is like trusting Bernie Madhoff to take care of your bank account.

I use Do Not Track Plus on both Chrome & Firefox browsers. It does not need the ad companies to agree to take part. Using that and Adbock takes care of the ad companies.

»www.abine.com/dntdetail.php

Here is a list of web companies tracking you:
»www.donottrackplus.com/trackers/ ··· ndex.php

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tshirt
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Do not track by default, doesn't...

...prevent you from seeing ads, It just prevents the ad server from identifing what ads you have seen at what site. This is just changing the balance to 100% OPT_IN.
It's a VERY good thing.
The only downside is sites will begin to hide CONTENT until the actual ad has displayed(some already do )and the reduction in the ad value means the volume will increase greatly (yes, you still have a few square inches of un-ad-obstructed space on your monitor, damn you!)

BTW Do Not TRACK Plus works well on IE8 & 9 too.


Suntop
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Ads? I do not get any!

Well folks you do not need ADBLOCK, noscript, or IE10 don't track. I use a feature built in all versions of windows that blocks all ads and adult sites. (Not that I go to them, it is useful to filter out because M$ parent control don't catch all of them) I use a HOSTS file that blocks them. There are 2 ways to do this, if you like to write your own you can but you have to have an elevated command prompt. The other is to use the MVPS Hosts file, now it will block Google Ad Services so if you want to visit any links that are sponsored or click adwords you will have to comment them out with #.

Stick it to the ads anyways, they NEVER EVER show anything I would ever click! Oh and Wahhh @T&T, COMCAST, and all others that get mad because they cannot cram ads down our pipes to help get the user to go over it's cap so they can make $$ not only off the ads themselves but all bandwidth use. They are CRYING because of this. Screw em! If they do not like it then take off the caps. (Not that they EVER WILL!!) I am on a UNI connection so I do not have any caps.

I get NO MALWARE, NO SEARCH HIJACKING, and especially NO *BLEEP*ING ADS!

BTW Only you can prevent overages. *lol*
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tshirt
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reply to battleop

Re: Out of character for Microsoft?

said by battleop:

Setting up do not track as a default setting seems a little out of character for Microsoft.

Not really.
1}It's very much in their interest for you to LIKE using their browser over others.
2}Like google and every other ad company, getting exclusive use of even the small amount of info, is more valuble then shared use of stuff all of them see.

silbaco
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...

Just because they are members of the Association of National Advertisers doesn't mean they share the same ideology.


cdru
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reply to Mr Matt

Re: Unrequested advertising uses up subscribers data allowance!

said by Mr Matt:

The advertising pigs fail to mention that unrequested advertising uses up a subscribers data allowance because so many ISP's are employing CAPS!...

Except the HTTP verb for loading a page is GET (or POST) and not PUSH. You're browser requested it, it was never pushed to you. You yourself may not have personally requested the ad, but the page that you did loaded did. Yeah it may be schematics, but saying it was unrequested isn't true.

JTR

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reply to NefCanuck
said by NefCanuck:

Agreed, if the ISP wants to cap me and then advertisers bitch that I don't want to use my monthly allotted bandwidth to download their crap, maybe the advertisers can take a run at telling the ISP's off instead of M$...

Oh wait even the *ISP* is guilty of trying to shove ads down my throat

Sorry but NoScript & AdBlock for me until and unless this whole cap business is finally killed (which is never... so buzz off advertisers)

NefCanuck

By visiting the site, you agree to download the site's material, as well as any advertisements they place on it.

Are you seriously complaining about ads taking up too much space? It's barely noticeable when compared to the size of a web page and all the related images.

CXM_Splicer
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Actually, I don't think any such 'agreement' exists. You are perfectly within your rights to HTTP Get specific parts of a publicly available page and not get others. The complaint is not about ads taking up space... it is about taking up bandwidth that is no longer unlimited.

JTR

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said by CXM_Splicer:

Actually, I don't think any such 'agreement' exists. You are perfectly within your rights to HTTP Get specific parts of a publicly available page and not get others. The complaint is not about ads taking up space... it is about taking up bandwidth that is no longer unlimited.

Don't complain about the tiny bit of bandwidth taken up by ads, it's how the site stays alive. If you want, feel free to adblock them because you hate seeing ads, but don't justify it with false arguments about bandwidth.

EdmundGerber

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said by JTR:

said by CXM_Splicer:

Actually, I don't think any such 'agreement' exists. You are perfectly within your rights to HTTP Get specific parts of a publicly available page and not get others. The complaint is not about ads taking up space... it is about taking up bandwidth that is no longer unlimited.

Don't complain about the tiny bit of bandwidth taken up by ads, it's how the site stays alive. If you want, feel free to adblock them because you hate seeing ads, but don't justify it with false arguments about bandwidth.

The Internet was awesome back in 1990 - and gueeswhat???? Not a fucking ad in sight.

We're on to the shills now, fucking sellouts....

CXM_Splicer
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reply to JTR
My argument about bandwidth is legitimate... if you want to limit false arguments used for justification, I suggest you revisit your 'agreement' post

Any discussion of the sites making revenue from the ads is immaterial to either bandwidth or 'implied requirements' of viewing them.


Smith6612
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reply to battleop

Re: Out of character for Microsoft?

Well, true. I think they're doing that though to cut down on some of the anger that could be put forth to them if they made it Opt Out by user intervention. Though, to solve that problem they could make a tick box that appears when Internet Explorer 10 is first launched after installation.

The more ironic part of this is that Microsoft runs their own Advertising network as well. They are effectively opting out tracking for their own network.

jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA
reply to Mr Matt

Re: Unrequested advertising uses up subscribers data allowance!

This is something that I've been complaining about since the topic of caps was first being mentioned around here. Simply unacceptable. I choose an ISP withOUT caps and I do NOT want ads pushed to me while I'm browsing the web.


The Limit
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reply to CXM_Splicer
It's more about the principle of the matter.

Not really surprised about AT&T crying about this, after all they are "spooks" for the government. As for Verizon? I didn't expect this of them.
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b10010011
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Here is the soultion for advertizers

Show only porn ads to people who do not accept the tracking cookie.
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goalieskates
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Crybabies.

quote:
The idea that prohibiting corporations from tracking or slathering websites with ads will ruin the Internet has been something companies have been arguing for a decade.
Well, it might ruin it for them ... after all, they're looking for victims. And they've gotten a darn sight greedier and more invasive over that decade.

But their "ruin" would be welcomed by most users. Maybe they should revisit the idea of pleasing their customers for a change, instead of treating us like chattel.

rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
reply to battleop

Re: Out of character for Microsoft?

Not if this is nothing more than giving Google the finger.

As far as harming innovation, I disagree. Nature always maintains a symbiotic equilibrium. This will actually promote innovation in an effort to restore whatever the new setting negates.


Metatron2008
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reply to b10010011

Re: Here is the soultion for advertizers

Sounds like a plan I could stay behind! No reason to ever accept!

... Unless it's gay porn they would be showing..


Fourcpus4me

join:2012-08-11
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reply to Mr Matt

Re: Unrequested advertising uses up subscribers data allowance!

Agree. I'm on a slow satellite connection and they want to pump flash ads down my throat that use up my data allowance.

Let them pay my ISP for the data costs for the ads and I might let them through(like TV commercials do).

Bravo Microsoft.


teacher

@westernasset.com
reply to cdru
Did you mean "semantics"?