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Comments on news posted 2012-10-04 09:42:55: Microsoft continues to take heat on all fronts for enabling "do not track" as default in Internet Explorer 10. ..

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CXM_Splicer
Looking at the bigger picture
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reply to JTR

Re: Unrequested advertising uses up subscribers data allowance!

My argument about bandwidth is legitimate... if you want to limit false arguments used for justification, I suggest you revisit your 'agreement' post

Any discussion of the sites making revenue from the ads is immaterial to either bandwidth or 'implied requirements' of viewing them.


Smith6612
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reply to battleop

Re: Out of character for Microsoft?

Well, true. I think they're doing that though to cut down on some of the anger that could be put forth to them if they made it Opt Out by user intervention. Though, to solve that problem they could make a tick box that appears when Internet Explorer 10 is first launched after installation.

The more ironic part of this is that Microsoft runs their own Advertising network as well. They are effectively opting out tracking for their own network.

jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA
reply to Mr Matt

Re: Unrequested advertising uses up subscribers data allowance!

This is something that I've been complaining about since the topic of caps was first being mentioned around here. Simply unacceptable. I choose an ISP withOUT caps and I do NOT want ads pushed to me while I'm browsing the web.


The Limit
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reply to CXM_Splicer
It's more about the principle of the matter.

Not really surprised about AT&T crying about this, after all they are "spooks" for the government. As for Verizon? I didn't expect this of them.
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b10010011
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Here is the soultion for advertizers

Show only porn ads to people who do not accept the tracking cookie.
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goalieskates
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join:2004-09-12
land of big

Crybabies.

quote:
The idea that prohibiting corporations from tracking or slathering websites with ads will ruin the Internet has been something companies have been arguing for a decade.
Well, it might ruin it for them ... after all, they're looking for victims. And they've gotten a darn sight greedier and more invasive over that decade.

But their "ruin" would be welcomed by most users. Maybe they should revisit the idea of pleasing their customers for a change, instead of treating us like chattel.

rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
reply to battleop

Re: Out of character for Microsoft?

Not if this is nothing more than giving Google the finger.

As far as harming innovation, I disagree. Nature always maintains a symbiotic equilibrium. This will actually promote innovation in an effort to restore whatever the new setting negates.


Metatron2008
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reply to b10010011

Re: Here is the soultion for advertizers

Sounds like a plan I could stay behind! No reason to ever accept!

... Unless it's gay porn they would be showing..


Fourcpus4me

join:2012-08-11
Gladwin, MI
reply to Mr Matt

Re: Unrequested advertising uses up subscribers data allowance!

Agree. I'm on a slow satellite connection and they want to pump flash ads down my throat that use up my data allowance.

Let them pay my ISP for the data costs for the ads and I might let them through(like TV commercials do).

Bravo Microsoft.


teacher

@westernasset.com
reply to cdru
Did you mean "semantics"?

nutcr0cker

join:2003-04-02
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If corporations are people, Advertisements = freespeech

Why would you want to quash freespeech? I hope the supreme court rectifies this situation soon. In Sculia We trust


pokesph
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DNT

So how did these crybaby advertisers get along before there were persistent tracking cookies and worse?

Seems to me, they can still show just as many ads as before (of course noscript / adblock will remove them) just not as targeted.. BFD.


Rogue Wolf
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reply to JTR

Re: Unrequested advertising uses up subscribers data allowance!

Do you not do much Web surfing? Some sites (especially news sites) are "gating" pages with full-motion video ads, with sound. Some of these are 30 to 45 seconds long. You can't tell me that a single news page with text and (maybe) two small pictures uses more bandwidth than half a minute of 480x320 video with audio.

Best of all is when the videos freeze with five seconds left to go, and you reload the page so you can try to read it, only to have a brand-new video ad load....
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TwiztedZero
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Corporatist are not entitled to stalk people...get over it advertisers. Choke on your greed and DIAF.

garfield

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I don't like ads much either

but I allow them on some smaller sites I frequent as I think they could use the little bit of income it might generate for them. They don't have more than 2 per page and don't do the mandatory auto-start streaming of "news'. Yes, the little window is there but they allow me to decide if I want to watch it and when. Others like Hulu and some TV sites have one or more brief ads at the start of or during the show. They don't bother me as I usually mute until they are over. Most other sites get the DoNotTrack/AdblockPlus combo.

While my current ISP doesn't cap (and I've hit 150-200 GB monthly with no problem), I don't stop the ads due to data consumption or page slowdown (have a 30/5 connection). I stop them because most websites bog down their site with many per page, auto-start videos, and are overall intrusive on MY experience.

Now, if only sites wouldn't be so wrapped up in the floating FB/Twitter bars. Some of them (sites) flat-ass refuse to function if you disable the bars.

I don't worry about consumption on my phone--it's a novel one, used to talk/text and not for surfing/playing games/ making my e-peen grow because of all the useless crap a smart phone can do.


WHT

join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
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reply to JTR

Re: Unrequested advertising uses up subscribers data allowance!

said by JTR:

By visiting the site, you agree to download the site's material, as well as any advertisements they place on it.

I don't think so.


Cat Scratch

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reply to teacher
Maybe he's trying to draw us a picture.


cork1958
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reply to Suntop

Re: Ads? I do not get any!

said by Suntop:

Well folks you do not need ADBLOCK, noscript, or IE10 don't track. I use a feature built in all versions of windows that blocks all ads and adult sites. (Not that I go to them, it is useful to filter out because M$ parent control don't catch all of them) I use a HOSTS file that blocks them. There are 2 ways to do this, if you like to write your own you can but you have to have an elevated command prompt. The other is to use the MVPS Hosts file, now it will block Google Ad Services so if you want to visit any links that are sponsored or click adwords you will have to comment them out with #.

Stick it to the ads anyways, they NEVER EVER show anything I would ever click! Oh and Wahhh @T&T, COMCAST, and all others that get mad because they cannot cram ads down our pipes to help get the user to go over it's cap so they can make $$ not only off the ads themselves but all bandwidth use. They are CRYING because of this. Screw em! If they do not like it then take off the caps. (Not that they EVER WILL!!) I am on a UNI connection so I do not have any caps.

I get NO MALWARE, NO SEARCH HIJACKING, and especially NO *BLEEP*ING ADS!

BTW Only you can prevent overages. *lol*

I can't believe everyone in the world doesn't use MVPS's host file and then add what ever you want to it!

No need for any stupid addons, which with as many as most people have loaded in their browsers now a days (ridiculous), only slows you down.

One person above said something about how they can believe AT&T crying about this but not Verizon. Sure would like to know what that person is smoking?!

Personally,
Those are 2 companies I wish would be destroyed/dismembered/etc....
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anernamers

@verizon.net
reply to JTR

Re: Unrequested advertising uses up subscribers data allowance!

Most websites I visit are mainly text. So these flashy picture ads take up more data.

Though i'm not arguing with this point, I just thought i'd bring that to the table.

Have you seen some sites ads? There are more ads(pictures, javascript, flash) than text on the page! Which is what i'm reading.

NefCanuck

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reply to JTR
said by JTR:

said by NefCanuck:

Agreed, if the ISP wants to cap me and then advertisers bitch that I don't want to use my monthly allotted bandwidth to download their crap, maybe the advertisers can take a run at telling the ISP's off instead of M$...

Oh wait even the *ISP* is guilty of trying to shove ads down my throat

Sorry but NoScript & AdBlock for me until and unless this whole cap business is finally killed (which is never... so buzz off advertisers)

NefCanuck

By visiting the site, you agree to download the site's material, as well as any advertisements they place on it.

Are you seriously complaining about ads taking up too much space? It's barely noticeable when compared to the size of a web page and all the related images.

Sorry but no, nowhere in the TOS for any of the sites I visit (or any other site on the Internet I would wager for that matter) is there any verbage requiring me to use up my data allotment (provided by my ISP) to view ads, whether they be simple text ads or now more often than not, flashy adverts that do consume a significant amount of data.

If a site refuses to let me on because I refused to be tracked, I can find alternative sites with the same information, thats the beauty of the Internet.

In fact the only thing I dislike about my iPad is the fact that there is no way to block ads from ever being downloaded in the first place while using the built in browser, again because its a waste of my data allotment.

NefCanuck

The Antihero

join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA

The adverstisers have it backwards

If anything's "damaging the online experience", it's the damn ads themselves, not the ability to block them. The advertisers only have themselves to blame. They brought this on themselves. Most people were OK with a reasonable amount of ads, but they had to push things. Very few people complained about a simple banner, but when it mutated into those obnoxious flashing / shaking boxes, as well as the annoying pop-ups and boxes that take over the entire page and lock it up, then people started getting fed up and blocking the ads. And let's not forget about those damned fake virus scanners. It's getting to the point where it's dangerous not to block the ads.

The Antihero

join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
reply to JTR

Re: Unrequested advertising uses up subscribers data allowance!

said by JTR:

Don't complain about the tiny bit of bandwidth taken up by ads

I'm sure you wouldn't complain about someone taking a "tiny bit" of money out of your wallet from time to time, right?


random name

@verizon.net
reply to nutcr0cker

Re: If corporations are people, Advertisements = freespeech

Going on the premise of free-speech, just because someone has a right to say some thing doesn't mean I have no choice but to listen to them.


WHT

join:2010-03-26
Rosston, TX
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reply to Metatron2008

Re: Here is the soultion for advertizers

said by Metatron2008:

... Unless it's gay porn they would be showing..

I still wouldn't want it. It would be boring.

Back in the late '60s, me and my boyfriend herded sheep in northern Idaho. I was Brokeback Mountain before color TV.