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Comments on news posted 2012-10-09 15:45:12: You'll recall that a few years ago it was leaked that the government and phone companies were working hand in hand on a warrantless domestic surveillance system that had little to no oversight, with AT&T employees revealing (pdf) all phone and data b.. ..

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n2jtx

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Huawei

And Congress is complaining about Huawei! We do the same thing and then pass laws to make it legal.
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LineNoise

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Huawei is doing it against the government. The government is doing it against it's citizens. So it's OK.


BigDaddyPin

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We The People

I mean....."We The Government" tell the people what is best for them. if it breaks the law we change the law.


Noah Vail
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Re: Huawei

said by LineNoise:

Huawei is doing it against the government. The government is doing it against it's citizens. So it's OK.

In this, we have the complete truth.
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bionicRod
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Let's talk about Big Bird some more...

Because that's clearly the most important issue we have going on right now.

When I was in elementary school I was taught that no one is above the law, not even the government. I'm ashamed that that is no longer true.


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said by bionicRod:

Because that's clearly the most important issue we have going on right now.

When this first hit the fan, the Press bent over backward to keep from reporting it correctly - kept insisting is was all about Limited Cell Phone
Taps.
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November is coming

How many of us here are going to vote for PotUS/Senators/Reps who help bring this surveillance abomination to life?
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FBGuy
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Re: We The People

supreme court is the law.


FBGuy
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reply to Noah Vail

Re: November is coming

i have no idea where that question is supposed to lead anything.

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said by FBGuy:

i have no idea where that question is supposed to lead anything.

Hes implying one candidate will spy on us more than the other, however i fail to see that changing, with homeland security in one ear, the cia/fbi/nsa in the other, surveillance is a way of life. ( that we all have allowed to happen) Im sure the president is the one who legislated the installation of traffic cameras, and random cameras around my city.


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said by FBGuy:

i have no idea where that question is supposed to lead anything.

Most of the politicians responsible for the original AT&T immunity bill are still in office.

Will you vote for any of them?
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said by slckusr:

said by FBGuy:

i have no idea where that question is supposed to lead anything.

Hes implying one candidate will spy on us more than the other, however i fail to see that changing, with homeland security in one ear, the cia/fbi/nsa in the other, surveillance is a way of life. ( that we all have allowed to happen) Im sure the president is the one who legislated the installation of traffic cameras, and random cameras around my city.

I have to add:
The Media+Press are perhaps the most responsible.
They've either remained silent or colluded with Gov to insure there's been no meaningful coverage.
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Well, that means you can't vote for Republicans or Democrats, so you have to vote for independents.

Came into being under the Bush Administration, continued by the Obama administration, and supported by Romney.

The only people who have been against it are some Democrats.

There's no choice here ATM for anyone who would curtail this.
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KrK
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I think people need to understand that most the media is no longer what it once was. It's all beholden to large corporate interests and the status quo, often reporting PR from their owners and masters and aligned with Government friends to keep their profit interests safe and sound.
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It's a sad day for America

1) The rule of law is dead.
2) The Supreme Court has brought the administration of justice into disrepute.
3) Shame on the Supreme Court.


crazediamond
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Re: Let's talk about Big Bird some more...

Not that it improves matters, but I'm going to assume it wasn't particularly true then either and they just were better about not being caught.


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Re: November is coming

said by KrK:

Well, that means you can't vote for Republicans or Democrats, so you have to vote for independents.

Came into being under the Bush Administration, continued by the Obama administration, and supported by Romney.

The only people who have been against it are some Democrats.

There's no choice here ATM for anyone who would curtail this.

I've voted conservative/Republican most of my life.

However I'll vote for anyone who stands up for our privacy in a way that matters.

said by FISA 2008 Wiki :

Senators who voted to remove telecom immunity, but ended up voting for bill with telecom immunity intact: Baucus (D-MT), Casey (D-PA), Obama (D-IL), Whitehouse (D-RI)


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Re: Let's talk about Big Bird some more...

said by crazediamond:

Not that it improves matters, but I'm going to assume it wasn't particularly true then either and they just were better about not being caught.

I'm sure you have a point there.

ITALIAN926

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Re: It's a sad day for America

You know when else was a sad day? 9-11-2001


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Crappy old memory lane

Here's the thread from the other end of this.
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