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Comments on news posted 2012-10-09 15:45:12: You'll recall that a few years ago it was leaked that the government and phone companies were working hand in hand on a warrantless domestic surveillance system that had little to no oversight, with AT&T employees revealing (pdf) all phone and data b.. ..

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Huawei

And Congress is complaining about Huawei! We do the same thing and then pass laws to make it legal.
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Huawei is doing it against the government. The government is doing it against it's citizens. So it's OK.

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We The People

I mean....."We The Government" tell the people what is best for them. if it breaks the law we change the law.


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said by LineNoise:

Huawei is doing it against the government. The government is doing it against it's citizens. So it's OK.

In this, we have the complete truth.
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Let's talk about Big Bird some more...

Because that's clearly the most important issue we have going on right now.

When I was in elementary school I was taught that no one is above the law, not even the government. I'm ashamed that that is no longer true.


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Because that's clearly the most important issue we have going on right now.

When this first hit the fan, the Press bent over backward to keep from reporting it correctly - kept insisting is was all about Limited Cell Phone
Taps.
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November is coming

How many of us here are going to vote for PotUS/Senators/Reps who help bring this surveillance abomination to life?
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Re: We The People

supreme court is the law.


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Re: November is coming

i have no idea where that question is supposed to lead anything.

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i have no idea where that question is supposed to lead anything.

Hes implying one candidate will spy on us more than the other, however i fail to see that changing, with homeland security in one ear, the cia/fbi/nsa in the other, surveillance is a way of life. ( that we all have allowed to happen) Im sure the president is the one who legislated the installation of traffic cameras, and random cameras around my city.


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i have no idea where that question is supposed to lead anything.

Most of the politicians responsible for the original AT&T immunity bill are still in office.

Will you vote for any of them?
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said by ArrayList:

i have no idea where that question is supposed to lead anything.

Hes implying one candidate will spy on us more than the other, however i fail to see that changing, with homeland security in one ear, the cia/fbi/nsa in the other, surveillance is a way of life. ( that we all have allowed to happen) Im sure the president is the one who legislated the installation of traffic cameras, and random cameras around my city.

I have to add:
The Media+Press are perhaps the most responsible.
They've either remained silent or colluded with Gov to insure there's been no meaningful coverage.
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Well, that means you can't vote for Republicans or Democrats, so you have to vote for independents.

Came into being under the Bush Administration, continued by the Obama administration, and supported by Romney.

The only people who have been against it are some Democrats.

There's no choice here ATM for anyone who would curtail this.
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I think people need to understand that most the media is no longer what it once was. It's all beholden to large corporate interests and the status quo, often reporting PR from their owners and masters and aligned with Government friends to keep their profit interests safe and sound.
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It's a sad day for America

1) The rule of law is dead.
2) The Supreme Court has brought the administration of justice into disrepute.
3) Shame on the Supreme Court.


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Not that it improves matters, but I'm going to assume it wasn't particularly true then either and they just were better about not being caught.


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said by KrK:

Well, that means you can't vote for Republicans or Democrats, so you have to vote for independents.

Came into being under the Bush Administration, continued by the Obama administration, and supported by Romney.

The only people who have been against it are some Democrats.

There's no choice here ATM for anyone who would curtail this.

I've voted conservative/Republican most of my life.

However I'll vote for anyone who stands up for our privacy in a way that matters.

said by FISA 2008 Wiki :

Senators who voted to remove telecom immunity, but ended up voting for bill with telecom immunity intact: Baucus (D-MT), Casey (D-PA), Obama (D-IL), Whitehouse (D-RI)


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said by crazediamond:

Not that it improves matters, but I'm going to assume it wasn't particularly true then either and they just were better about not being caught.

I'm sure you have a point there.


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Re: It's a sad day for America

You know when else was a sad day? 9-11-2001


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Crappy old memory lane

Here's the thread from the other end of this.
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I'd be curious to see who was responsible for the original AT&T immunity bill and the evidence to back up that claim.


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said by KrK:

Well, that means you can't vote for Republicans or Democrats, so you have to vote for independents.

because all Republicans and Democrats were for it, right?


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said by ITALIAN926:

You know when else was a sad day? 9-11-2001

Yea, but today was the day the terrorists won.
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Re: November is coming

shoooooosh it is a secret.........................
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Here's the full list:

FOR:

Alexander (R-TN), Yea
Allard (R-CO), Yea
Barrasso (R-WY), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Bennett (R-UT), Yea
Bond (R-MO), Yea
Brownback (R-KS), Yea
Bunning (R-KY), Yea
Burr (R-NC), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Casey (D-PA), Yea
Chambliss (R-GA), Yea
Coburn (R-OK), Yea
Cochran (R-MS), Yea
Coleman (R-MN), Yea
Collins (R-ME), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Corker (R-TN), Yea
Cornyn (R-TX), Yea
Craig (R-ID), Yea
Crapo (R-ID), Yea
DeMint (R-SC), Yea
Dole (R-NC), Yea
Domenici (R-NM), Yea
Ensign (R-NV), Yea
Enzi (R-WY), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Graham (R-SC), Yea
Grassley (R-IA), Yea
Gregg (R-NH), Yea
Hagel (R-NE), Yea
Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea
Kyl (R-AZ), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea
Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Martinez (R-FL), Yea
McCaskill (D-MO), Yea
McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Murkowski (R-AK), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Smith (R-OR), Yea
Snowe (R-ME), Yea
Specter (R-PA), Yea
Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Sununu (R-NH), Yea
Thune (R-SD), Yea
Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Warner (R-VA), Yea
Webb (D-VA), Yea
Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea
Wicker (R-MS), Yea

Against:

Akaka (D-HI), Nay
Biden (D-DE), Nay
Bingaman (D-NM), Nay
Boxer (D-CA), Nay
Brown (D-OH), Nay
Byrd (D-WV), Nay
Cantwell (D-WA), Nay
Cardin (D-MD), Nay
Clinton (D-NY), Nay
Dodd (D-CT), Nay
Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Durbin (D-IL), Nay
Feingold (D-WI), Nay
Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay
Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Levin (D-MI), Nay
Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
Murray (D-WA), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Nay
Reid (D-NV), Nay
Sanders (I-VT), Nay
Schumer (D-NY), Nay
Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Tester (D-MT), Nay
Wyden (D-OR), Nay

Not Voting:
Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting
McCain (R-AZ), Not Voting
Sessions (R-AL), Not Voting

So in Summary:

ALL the Republicans and many of the Democrats, FOR.

A solid block of Democrats & an Independent (The Liberal Block, looks like) AGAINST.
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I'd be curious to see who was responsible for the original AT&T immunity bill and the evidence to back up that claim.

I think that information might be on file.
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Re: It's a sad day for America

Hey, its a shame that they didnt implement these policies IN 2001. Or do you think the government cares about whether youre calling your Mom enough?


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Not quite, many were.

The Liberal block of Democrats was fairly solid in opposition and continues to be the opposition to this.
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Both of mine from Florida voted for it.

Nelson was on a very short list of FL-D I supported.
As FL's Insurance Commissioner, he was sharp and very pro Floridian. As Senator, he made other choices.

*sigh* It's another choiceless election year.
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Not ME!! YOU!!

I wonder if the politicians and government agencies are dumb enough to believe that the same information isn't being collected on them. They probably are. It is. Even if there is a law passed against it I do not see it stopping. Once everyone has a video/mic in their home for teleconferencing it will be fine for them to remove view that as well.
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