n2jtx join:2001-01-13 Glen Head, NY
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n2jtx
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2012-Oct-9 2:45 pm
HuaweiAnd Congress is complaining about Huawei! We do the same thing and then pass laws to make it legal. |
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Huawei is doing it against the government. The government is doing it against it's citizens. So it's OK. |
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We The PeopleI mean....."We The Government" tell the people what is best for them. if it breaks the law we change the law. |
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Noah VailOh God please no. Premium Member join:2004-12-10 SouthAmerica
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to LineNoise
Re: Huaweisaid by LineNoise:Huawei is doing it against the government. The government is doing it against it's citizens. So it's OK. In this, we have the complete truth. |
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TheBionicFunkier than a mohair disco ball. Premium Member join:2009-07-06 united state
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Let's talk about Big Bird some more...Because that's clearly the most important issue we have going on right now.
When I was in elementary school I was taught that no one is above the law, not even the government. I'm ashamed that that is no longer true. |
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Noah VailOh God please no. Premium Member join:2004-12-10 SouthAmerica |
said by TheBionic:Because that's clearly the most important issue we have going on right now. When this first hit the fan, the Press bent over backward to keep from reporting it correctly - kept insisting is was all about Limited Cell Phone Taps. |
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November is comingHow many of us here are going to vote for PotUS/Senators/Reps who help bring this surveillance abomination to life? |
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ArrayListDevOps Premium Member join:2005-03-19 Mullica Hill, NJ |
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Re: We The Peoplesupreme court is the law. |
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to Noah Vail
Re: November is comingi have no idea where that question is supposed to lead anything. |
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slckusr Premium Member join:2003-03-17 Greenville, SC |
slckusr
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2012-Oct-9 3:24 pm
said by ArrayList:i have no idea where that question is supposed to lead anything. Hes implying one candidate will spy on us more than the other, however i fail to see that changing, with homeland security in one ear, the cia/fbi/nsa in the other, surveillance is a way of life. ( that we all have allowed to happen) Im sure the president is the one who legislated the installation of traffic cameras, and random cameras around my city. |
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Noah VailOh God please no. Premium Member join:2004-12-10 SouthAmerica |
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said by ArrayList:i have no idea where that question is supposed to lead anything. Most of the politicians responsible for the original AT&T immunity bill are still in office. Will you vote for any of them? |
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to slckusr
said by slckusr:said by ArrayList:i have no idea where that question is supposed to lead anything. Hes implying one candidate will spy on us more than the other, however i fail to see that changing, with homeland security in one ear, the cia/fbi/nsa in the other, surveillance is a way of life. ( that we all have allowed to happen) Im sure the president is the one who legislated the installation of traffic cameras, and random cameras around my city. I have to add: The Media+Press are perhaps the most responsible. They've either remained silent or colluded with Gov to insure there's been no meaningful coverage. |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium Member join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK Netgear WNDR3700v2 Zoom 5341J
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Well, that means you can't vote for Republicans or Democrats, so you have to vote for independents.
Came into being under the Bush Administration, continued by the Obama administration, and supported by Romney.
The only people who have been against it are some Democrats.
There's no choice here ATM for anyone who would curtail this. |
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I think people need to understand that most the media is no longer what it once was. It's all beholden to large corporate interests and the status quo, often reporting PR from their owners and masters and aligned with Government friends to keep their profit interests safe and sound. |
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17 |
It's a sad day for America1) The rule of law is dead. 2) The Supreme Court has brought the administration of justice into disrepute. 3) Shame on the Supreme Court. |
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crazediamondMaybe you shouldn't be so proud? Premium Member join:2002-01-19 Brooklyn, NY |
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Re: Let's talk about Big Bird some more...Not that it improves matters, but I'm going to assume it wasn't particularly true then either and they just were better about not being caught. |
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Noah VailOh God please no. Premium Member join:2004-12-10 SouthAmerica |
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Re: November is comingsaid by KrK:Well, that means you can't vote for Republicans or Democrats, so you have to vote for independents.
Came into being under the Bush Administration, continued by the Obama administration, and supported by Romney.
The only people who have been against it are some Democrats.
There's no choice here ATM for anyone who would curtail this. I've voted conservative/Republican most of my life. However I'll vote for anyone who stands up for our privacy in a way that matters. said by FISA 2008 Wiki :Senators who voted to remove telecom immunity, but ended up voting for bill with telecom immunity intact: Baucus (D-MT), Casey (D-PA), Obama (D-IL), Whitehouse (D-RI) |
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TheBionicFunkier than a mohair disco ball. Premium Member join:2009-07-06 united state |
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Re: Let's talk about Big Bird some more...said by crazediamond:Not that it improves matters, but I'm going to assume it wasn't particularly true then either and they just were better about not being caught. I'm sure you have a point there. |
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Re: It's a sad day for AmericaYou know when else was a sad day? 9-11-2001 |
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Noah VailOh God please no. Premium Member join:2004-12-10 SouthAmerica |
Crappy old memory laneHere's the thread from the other end of this. |
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ArrayListDevOps Premium Member join:2005-03-19 Mullica Hill, NJ |
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Re: November is comingI'd be curious to see who was responsible for the original AT&T immunity bill and the evidence to back up that claim. |
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said by KrK:Well, that means you can't vote for Republicans or Democrats, so you have to vote for independents. because all Republicans and Democrats were for it, right? |
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Noah VailOh God please no. Premium Member join:2004-12-10 SouthAmerica
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Re: It's a sad day for Americasaid by ITALIAN926:You know when else was a sad day? 9-11-2001 Yea, but today was the day the terrorists won. |
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woody7 Premium Member join:2000-10-13 Torrance, CA |
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Re: November is comingshoooooosh it is a secret......................... |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium Member join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK Netgear WNDR3700v2 Zoom 5341J
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Here's the full list:
FOR:
Alexander (R-TN), Yea Allard (R-CO), Yea Barrasso (R-WY), Yea Baucus (D-MT), Yea Bayh (D-IN), Yea Bennett (R-UT), Yea Bond (R-MO), Yea Brownback (R-KS), Yea Bunning (R-KY), Yea Burr (R-NC), Yea Carper (D-DE), Yea Casey (D-PA), Yea Chambliss (R-GA), Yea Coburn (R-OK), Yea Cochran (R-MS), Yea Coleman (R-MN), Yea Collins (R-ME), Yea Conrad (D-ND), Yea Corker (R-TN), Yea Cornyn (R-TX), Yea Craig (R-ID), Yea Crapo (R-ID), Yea DeMint (R-SC), Yea Dole (R-NC), Yea Domenici (R-NM), Yea Ensign (R-NV), Yea Enzi (R-WY), Yea Feinstein (D-CA), Yea Graham (R-SC), Yea Grassley (R-IA), Yea Gregg (R-NH), Yea Hagel (R-NE), Yea Hatch (R-UT), Yea Hutchison (R-TX), Yea Inhofe (R-OK), Yea Inouye (D-HI), Yea Isakson (R-GA), Yea Johnson (D-SD), Yea Kohl (D-WI), Yea Kyl (R-AZ), Yea Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Lieberman (ID-CT), Yea Lincoln (D-AR), Yea Lugar (R-IN), Yea Martinez (R-FL), Yea McCaskill (D-MO), Yea McConnell (R-KY), Yea Mikulski (D-MD), Yea Murkowski (R-AK), Yea Nelson (D-FL), Yea Nelson (D-NE), Yea Obama (D-IL), Yea Pryor (D-AR), Yea Roberts (R-KS), Yea Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea Salazar (D-CO), Yea Shelby (R-AL), Yea Smith (R-OR), Yea Snowe (R-ME), Yea Specter (R-PA), Yea Stevens (R-AK), Yea Sununu (R-NH), Yea Thune (R-SD), Yea Vitter (R-LA), Yea Voinovich (R-OH), Yea Warner (R-VA), Yea Webb (D-VA), Yea Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea Wicker (R-MS), Yea
Against:
Akaka (D-HI), Nay Biden (D-DE), Nay Bingaman (D-NM), Nay Boxer (D-CA), Nay Brown (D-OH), Nay Byrd (D-WV), Nay Cantwell (D-WA), Nay Cardin (D-MD), Nay Clinton (D-NY), Nay Dodd (D-CT), Nay Dorgan (D-ND), Nay Durbin (D-IL), Nay Feingold (D-WI), Nay Harkin (D-IA), Nay Kerry (D-MA), Nay Klobuchar (D-MN), Nay Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay Leahy (D-VT), Nay Levin (D-MI), Nay Menendez (D-NJ), Nay Murray (D-WA), Nay Reed (D-RI), Nay Reid (D-NV), Nay Sanders (I-VT), Nay Schumer (D-NY), Nay Stabenow (D-MI), Nay Tester (D-MT), Nay Wyden (D-OR), Nay
Not Voting: Kennedy (D-MA), Not Voting McCain (R-AZ), Not Voting Sessions (R-AL), Not Voting
So in Summary:
ALL the Republicans and many of the Democrats, FOR.
A solid block of Democrats & an Independent (The Liberal Block, looks like) AGAINST. |
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Noah VailOh God please no. Premium Member join:2004-12-10 SouthAmerica |
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said by ArrayList:I'd be curious to see who was responsible for the original AT&T immunity bill and the evidence to back up that claim. I think that information might be on file. |
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to Noah Vail
Re: It's a sad day for AmericaHey, its a shame that they didnt implement these policies IN 2001. Or do you think the government cares about whether youre calling your Mom enough? |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium Member join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK |
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Re: November is comingNot quite, many were.
The Liberal block of Democrats was fairly solid in opposition and continues to be the opposition to this. |
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Noah VailOh God please no. Premium Member join:2004-12-10 SouthAmerica |
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Both of mine from Florida voted for it.
Nelson was on a very short list of FL-D I supported. As FL's Insurance Commissioner, he was sharp and very pro Floridian. As Senator, he made other choices.
*sigh* It's another choiceless election year. |
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WireHeadI drive to fast Premium Member join:2001-05-09 Muncie, IN |
WireHead
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2012-Oct-9 4:18 pm
Not ME!! YOU!!I wonder if the politicians and government agencies are dumb enough to believe that the same information isn't being collected on them. They probably are. It is. Even if there is a law passed against it I do not see it stopping. Once everyone has a video/mic in their home for teleconferencing it will be fine for them to remove view that as well. |
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