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Comments on news posted 2012-10-23 11:59:58: As their cable deal, planned streaming deal with Redbox and and Home Fusion fixed home wireless service makes clear, Verizon has lofty nationwide branding ambitions that are just starting to take shape. ..

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IllIlIlllIll
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Beta on a Samsung Smart TV



WHT

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Overages ! Ca ching

At $10 per 1 GB, I can see that working very well for Verizon investors.

elray

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said by WHT:

At $10 per 1 GB, I can see that working very well for Verizon investors.

Nope. Redbox Home Fusion streams will be off-net, toll-free, overage-exempt bulk-rate, forward-cached, etc.

Contrary to the drivel we read here daily, Verizon does not want overage charges; they want you to pay a hefty premium for their basic service and add-ons, but nothing punitive. That's bad for business.


88615298
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reply to WHT
said by WHT:

At $10 per 1 GB, I can see that working very well for Verizon investors.

I'm pretty sure you don't need Verizon service to get this.


WHT

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reply to elray
Ahhh....the same excuse cable used to get around the Net Neutrality restriction.

Guess no one learned anything from the FCC slapping down Madison River.


88615298
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Won't have any more content that Netflix

$8 for streaming either way. Also I like al the hyperbole Karl says when he mentions "huge" price increases on Netflix. Really my price didn't go up. I still pay $8 a month as always. Karl must have stock in Coinstar or Verizon.

silbaco
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Re: Overages ! Ca ching

I think they just want money and don't really care how they get it. And despite what a lot of people say about massive profits, their profit margin is really not that impressive.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to elray
Off-net - You mean in an intertube that violates net neutrality rules?

How are you and they going to try to skirt this one?

Are they going to attach all redbox's to their "local" intranet and call it local traffic?

Are they going to deliver it on the same "channel" as cable TV or PPV and say it isnt internet traffic?


rit56

join:2000-12-01
New York, NY

Verizon Business

Just like their coming pay with your phone credit card service I will never us this service. Verizon screws their customers due mainly to the duolopy and lack of choice. Here I have a choice whether to use Redbox and I will NOT. No discretionary revenue to you Verizon.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
reply to 88615298

Re: Won't have any more content that Netflix

Your price did not go up because you choose to keep one service or the other, but did not get both.

However, if you decide to keep your service how it was with both streaming and DVD delivery then your price pretty much doubled?

I was not a Netflix customer before, so I may be wrong on this. But it was my understanding that in the beginning you got both services for about the same price as you get one for now.

elefante72

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reply to IllIlIlllIll

Re: Beta on a Samsung Smart TV

I hope they allow this on Xbox360. I use cablecard/W7MC so I don't have any STB. We use redbox already, so if the catalog can be complimentary to Netflix I would go for it. Netflix movies on streaming have pretty much come to an end.

What would be amazing is to stream the catalog of redbox to the device, so I don't have to wait in line at a kiosk. And yes I know that Redbox makes $$ on people not returning the next day, but I would pay double not to get out of my couch . If it goes to $3-$4 it's a me too service and Amazon/Vudu fites the bill. I have found that Amazon regular def movies are better than DVD and the fam is happy.

Of course that pretty much means I don't need anything but broadcast, but that is for another day.

Skippy25

join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
I am curious how it is Redbox is going to get the streaming rights that Netflix is unable to get and how they are going to get it for a better price than what Netflix can to have a cheaper service.

Redbox is able to provide recent movies now because of either agreements to get the DVD's wholesale or they go retail when dealing with a difficult company and there is no restriction on renting them. That does not give them streaming rights to the movies. Netflix has more customers than Verizon so you would think they could get better movies at a better price.

Anything different tells me that there are some closed door deals going on that trying to disrupt Netflix and bring prices up.

silbaco
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reply to Skippy25

Re: Won't have any more content that Netflix

It was $10 for both.

PastTense

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reply to elray

Re: Overages ! Ca ching

Verizon is in the business of maximizing profits. So if Verizon can make more money from customers streaming from Netflix (via $10/GB overage charges) than from streaming from Redbox/Verizon (via a $8-10 monthly fee) then it will prefer the first option.


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reply to rit56

Re: Verizon Business

said by rit56:

Just like their coming pay with your phone credit card service I will never us this service. Verizon screws their customers due mainly to the duolopy and lack of choice. Here I have a choice whether to use Redbox and I will NOT. No discretionary revenue to you Verizon.

Verizon will probably link the low monthly payment if you have Verizon family share plan so as to get you over that cap and stick you with overages.
This whole idea is going to stink to data cap heaven.
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Re: Overages ! Ca ching

said by Skippy25:

Off-net - You mean in an intertube that violates net neutrality rules?

How are you and they going to try to skirt this one?

Are they going to attach all redbox's to their "local" intranet and call it local traffic?

Are they going to deliver it on the same "channel" as cable TV or PPV and say it isnt internet traffic?

Just like the other companies with iptv and VoIP, that have internet caps. (ex. Uverse)
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zippoboy7

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reply to Skippy25

Re: Beta on a Samsung Smart TV

What you failed to realize is Verizon is not just an ISP, they have connections to the major TV networks through their FiOS TV product. It would not surprise me if they are not using those contacts to assist with this. What I am waiting to see is if Verizon will use this on there FiOS platform to replace there VoD service since it currently is next to impossible to find anything on it.

decifal

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another

Another service i've been out priced from simply because of lack of real broadband options


88615298
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reply to Skippy25

Re: Won't have any more content that Netflix

said by Skippy25:

Your price did not go up because you choose to keep one service or the other, but did not get both.

Actually I never bothered with the DVD rental.


88615298
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reply to silbaco
said by silbaco:

It was $10 for both.

Oh that's right so I got a price REDUCTION since I never used the DVD rental part and only wanted streaming.


88615298
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reply to rit56

Re: Verizon Business

You have a choice to not use Verizon cell phone service too. So please.


88615298
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Re: another

said by decifal:

Another service i've been out priced from simply because of lack of real broadband options

Don't look for that to improve anytime soon. You could move to Dickson.

elray

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reply to Skippy25

Re: Overages ! Ca ching

said by Skippy25:

Off-net - You mean in an intertube that violates net neutrality rules?

How are you and they going to try to skirt this one?

Are they going to attach all redbox's to their "local" intranet and call it local traffic?

Are they going to deliver it on the same "channel" as cable TV or PPV and say it isnt internet traffic?

Even assuming that Verizon had to observe Network Neutrality "rules" on Home Fusion, which they don't, NN only applies to Internet (capital-I) routed data, not private traffic.

elray

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said by silbaco:

I think they just want money and don't really care how they get it. And despite what a lot of people say about massive profits, their profit margin is really not that impressive.

They want the extra add-on revenue from Redbox.
Not overage charges.

As for margins, if they were "massive", or enjoyed "record profits", as the envious bankrupt socialist media likes to refer to, then another "greedy" firm would enter the market in pursuit of those dollars. We've seen how well Sprint and TMobile have fared.

decifal

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reply to 88615298

Re: another

said by 88615298:

said by decifal:

Another service i've been out priced from simply because of lack of real broadband options

Don't look for that to improve anytime soon. You could move to Dickson.

That is one of the same ol lame solutions constantly spewed out from people like its from an assembly line.. I can tell you that my area has a weird thing going on with development when it comes to broadband.. All around in a 1 mile radius I have cable and dsl all around our area.. But for some odd reason comcast nor att has went the extra stretch even though there are over 200 house's and counting now with no service options from the land based options.. All we have is satellite, and 3/4g options which are just grossly over priced for what you get.. Don't get me the spectrum crises excuse either, that's just a scare tactic used to gain more spectrum from the FCC..

And seriously man? Move to dickson? I would do better to go to an even more rural area where cable has already established for whatever reason a footprint and from the looks of the dslams and vrads, even att.. Its just one of those screwed up areas.. Moving into the city of dickson wouldn't do anything but give me more check into cash options as they are EVERYWHERE there...

Sides, my house is paid for.. With this lovely economy, i'm not moving anywhere less a huge volcano appears..


cableties
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reply to zippoboy7

Re: Beta on a Samsung Smart TV

Actually, Skippy25 makes a point: Verizon isn't a content creator. More like a distributor.
It's the studios that call the shots.
Netflix having its own productions is the beginning just like HBO was...

Not all studios allow their content on competition without licensing and royalties....
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elray

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reply to PastTense

Re: Overages ! Ca ching

said by PastTense:

Verizon is in the business of maximizing profits. So if Verizon can make more money from customers streaming from Netflix (via $10/GB overage charges) than from streaming from Redbox/Verizon (via a $8-10 monthly fee) then it will prefer the first option.

Wrong. Overage charges kill goodwill and beget turnover - Mom cancels the whole account and/or learns about prepaid. With iPhone customers worth at least $2K/each, no company is looking to offend over $10/gb; they want your $120/month and your two-year renewal.

Only Sprint has officially fired customers, and they paid for it.

Kearnstd
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reply to cableties

Re: Beta on a Samsung Smart TV

and the studios fear streaming and new technologies in general. Streaming has a lower value point than media sales and cable channel licensing. Streaming also gives the consumer something that strikes absolute fear into content owners... More control over when where and on what device the media is consumed on.
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88615298
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reply to decifal

Re: another

said by decifal:

said by 88615298:

said by decifal:

Another service i've been out priced from simply because of lack of real broadband options

Don't look for that to improve anytime soon. You could move to Dickson.

That is one of the same ol lame solutions constantly spewed out from people like its from an assembly line.. I can tell you that my area has a weird thing going on with development when it comes to broadband.. All around in a 1 mile radius I have cable and dsl all around our area.. But for some odd reason comcast nor att has went the extra stretch even though there are over 200 house's and counting now with no service options from the land based options.. All we have is satellite, and 3/4g options which are just grossly over priced for what you get.. Don't get me the spectrum crises excuse either, that's just a scare tactic used to gain more spectrum from the FCC..

And seriously man? Move to dickson? I would do better to go to an even more rural area where cable has already established for whatever reason a footprint and from the looks of the dslams and vrads, even att.. Its just one of those screwed up areas.. Moving into the city of dickson wouldn't do anything but give me more check into cash options as they are EVERYWHERE there...

Sides, my house is paid for.. With this lovely economy, i'm not moving anywhere less a huge volcano appears..

No need to get all pissy. the fact is unless the government forces cable, DSL provides to build out to rural areas or the government does it itself or the government forces satellite and services like HomeFusion to have drastically higher caps then you are out of luck. Which means you are out of luck because none of those things will happen any time soon of at all.

As far as the economy ask the republican governor and his republican controlled legislature why they haven't done anything in 2 1/2 years to improve things. So far we have guns in parks, exemption for estate tax raised from $1 mil to $5 mil and "don't say gay".


KrK
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reply to Skippy25

Re: Beta on a Samsung Smart TV

Verizon's clout with the content providers will make their road easier to hoe then Netflix's.

Personally, I hope Netflix does well, because if they die, we all know where streaming video will be going....

(Think up. Way, WAY up.)
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