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Comments on news posted 2012-10-24 10:33:08: AT&T's third quarter results, like Verizon's, were yet again driven by wireless -- the company announcing today that they sold 4.7 million iPhones during the last quarter. ..

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Mike
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We love shared data

Oh man shared data is so awesome.

It's so good there is no reason for any other choice. So there isn't.


jseymour

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said by Mike:

Oh man shared data is so awesome.

It's so good there is no reason for any other choice. So there isn't.

Well "duh," eh?

Jim


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reply to Mike
said by Mike:

Oh man shared data is so awesome.

It's so good there is no reason for any other choice. So there isn't.

unlike Verizon, you are not forced into a shared data plan on AT&T.


Michail
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reply to Mike
said by Mike:

Oh man shared data is so awesome.

It's so good there is no reason for any other choice. So there isn't.

I looked at it and was horrified. I think it may be a good option for a family with a number of non-smartphone devices but they really screw you over bad on smartphones.

Telco

join:2008-12-19

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Ahh the median iPhone user...

Just goes to show how clueless the typical Iphone consumer is regarding wireless. Verizon at least has the #1 ranked CS and world leading network to back their prices up. AT&T (i.e. Cingular) wireless is nothing more than smoke and mirrors and a half-baked service, yet iPhone users still flock to them.

On a side note, of course ATT & VZ have all but abandoned the wireline market, where they have to actually earn their revenue legitimately. Instead, they now favor the cash cow wireless sector, that they essentially own. And the American consumer is happy to pay for it.

We were recently ranked as being up to 10 times more expensive than carriers abroad for data. Therefore, how much more expensive are we going to be in the next study... considering our main carriers now charge $40 to $50 for just 1 gig. In addition, charge you extra for the 'luxury' of being able to share this overpriced 1 gig.


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Re: We love shared data

I spoke with an AT&T wireless rep about non-shared vs. shared plans.... If you have 5 smart phones or more, shared is the way to go. If you have less (we have 3 smart phones and a "dumb" phone) you can save significant $. Granted you sacrifice FaceTime over cellular, tethering, unlimited cell to POTS calls. Those aren't deal breakers for us, so before taxes and fees, we save about $30/month on our non-shared plan versus the equivalent shared data plan.


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quote:
despite adding 613,000 U-Verse Internet customers and 198,000 TV customers
600,000+ Uverse internet added in one quarter? Not, you guys need to check the data »www.att.com/Investor/Earnings/3q···3q12.pdf

tcope
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Cost is too high

Yeah, they signed up for shared data as the unshared prices are through the roof! They simply can't afford to spend that much on data charges. Shared at least gives them the feeling that they can get data for everyone but then they need to really work hard on not going over. I would venture to say that many will go over and end up paying as much under a non-shared plan. It's really a way for carriers to get people in the door and lock them into a 2 year contract.

I'm wondering when consumers will start standing up for themselves by not allowing themselves to be gouged. iPhones end up costing customers a lot more then the plan fees and shared data is no big savings either. It's actually a step back. There are now two carriers that offer _true_ unlimited data when AT&T and Verizon are going the opposite direction.


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Re: Ahh the clueless iPhone consumer

What does any of this have anything to do with the iPhone or iPhone consumer? Any smartphone on Verizon requires a data share plan. And Verizon sold 3.1M iPhones and 3.4M Androids last quarter. By your logic, the average Android consumer is even more clueless.
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said by Ctrl Alt Del:

What does any of this have anything to do with the iPhone or iPhone consumer? Any smartphone on Verizon requires a data share plan. And Verizon sold 3.1M iPhones and 3.4M Androids last quarter. By your logic, the average Android consumer is even more clueless.

Because it would/could appear that the poster is just as clueless?


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Yet Wall Street says its FLAT...

"AT&T blamed its weak growth on a shortage of the latest iPhone, which went on sale in the last week of the quarter. This meant that the vast majority of third-quarter iPhone sales went to existing customers, stunting growth in new customers."

Did Karl call this way back when... I mean, giving away cheaper older models, or later at discount but mandatory data plans...

"At AT&T Mobility, we don't make that much off the phone sale, we make PAHLENTY off the TOS, ETF, overage and services you over pay for and under use!"
(Actually, you can substitute AT&T for Verizon, Sprint, Comcast, ...)
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reply to Michail

Re: We love shared data

said by Michail:

said by Mike:

Oh man shared data is so awesome.

It's so good there is no reason for any other choice. So there isn't.

I looked at it and was horrified. I think it may be a good option for a family with a number of non-smartphone devices but they really screw you over bad on smartphones.

I actually feel opposite. While the pricing isn't great for smartphones, the price for non-smartphones is ridiculous. $30/mo for a non-smartphone that uses no data? That's pathetic.

Telco

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Re: Ahh the clueless iPhone consumer

said by Ctrl Alt Del:

What does any of this have anything to do with the iPhone or iPhone consumer? Any smartphone on Verizon requires a data share plan. And Verizon sold 3.1M iPhones and 3.4M Androids last quarter. By your logic, the average Android consumer is even more clueless.

First off, your typical android user is much more tech savvy than an iPhone user. The fact that VZ has the most customers, yet sold less iPhones during the same quarter says a lot.

You missed my point. Iphone users are still flocking to AT&T and paying close to what you pay for VZ, yet receiving a significantly worse cellular experience. That is my point.

Of course both carriers are a rip off but what choice do people have...


Bootes
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You need to realize that different people have different needs from their cell service and just because AT&T is bad where you are, doesn't mean that they're bad for everyone.

AT&T is the only one with cell service that works inside my house. AT&T was the only one with a cell tower at my university, making it the only one that worked in the underground areas of the university. AT&T makes it much easier for me to swap between phones and use my phone overseas.

These are/were all very important issues to me. At the same, I rarely don't have signal in a place Verizon does.

There are are places where AT&T has better coverage and their are places were Verizon had better coverage. Does one have better coverage overall? I don't know and I don't care and neither should most people. I care about coverage in the areas I go and not the places I will never go to.


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Re: Ahh the clueless iPhone consumer

said by Telco:

First off, your typical android user is much more tech savvy than an iPhone user. The fact that VZ has the most customers, yet sold less iPhones during the same quarter says a lot.

Sounds like a personal opinion lacking proof. And any proof you though you had from this article is actually wrong, see below.

said by Telco:

You missed my point. Iphone users are still flocking to AT&T and paying close to what you pay for VZ, yet receiving a significantly worse cellular experience. That is my point.

That chart doesn't show users flocking anywhere. The majority of the 4.7M iPhone activations were existing customers buying a new phone.

AT&T only had a 678,000 net increase in total wireless subscribers. Verizon Wireless, meanwhile, added 1.5 million retail postpaid subscribers. People are actually flocking to Verizon by a factor of 3x. And the iPhone accounted for 46% of the 6.8 million smartphones Verizon sold in the quarter.

All those clueless iPhone consumers? Not quite. They're jumping ship to Verizon and half of Verizon's customers are buying iPhones.
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chip89
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why are people falling for this?

why are people paying for this you a lot more than I pay on sprint with unlimited data on my new iPhone 4.
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reply to Telco

Re: Ahh the clueless iPhone consumer

said by Telco:

Just goes to show you clueless the average Iphone consumer is regarding wireless. Verizon at least has the #1 ranked CS and world leading network to back their prices up. AT&T (i.e. Cingular) wireless is nothing more than smoke and mirrors and a half-baked service, yet iPhone users still flock to them.

On a side note, of course ATT & VZ have all but abandoned the wireline market, where they have to actually earn their revenue legitimately. Instead, they now favor the cash cow wireless sector, that they essentially own. And the American consumer is happy to pay for it.

We were recently ranked as being up to 10 times more expensive than carriers abroad for data. Therefore, how much more expensive are we going to be in the next study... considering our main carriers now charge $40 to $50 for just 1 gig. In addition, charge you extra for the 'luxury' of being able to share this overpriced 1 gig.

As a recent switcher from AT&T to VZW I can honestly say that I don't think the disparity is as great as it once was. Granted with VZW I can use my phone at work around the hospital where AT&T doesn't get signal, but that's only because VZW has an antenna on top of our hospital...

The data speeds are slightly better on LTE with VZW here but AT&T has better 3G ("4G" HSPA+) speeds when you don't get LTE coverage...

And actually I have to admit I did use that talk & data feature on the AT&T iPhone a lot more than I realized - I hope VoLTE comes sooner rather than later!

Happydude32
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Get a real smartphone. Most, if not all of Verizon and Sprint’s newer Android phones can do simultaneous data and voice over 3G. The lame iPhone can’t even do that on when on 4G with the EVDO providers. Why people continue to use that inferior POS phone is beyond me.
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reply to Telco
said by Telco:

Verizon at least has the #1 ranked CS and world leading network

Really, is that a fact? Or maybe just your opinion.

China Mobile has the "World's leading network" with half a BILLION subscribers.

»www.gurufocus.com/news/178251/ch···he-world

It’s the largest cell phone provider in the world... It has more customers than AT&T (T), Verizon (VZ) and Sprint (S) combined. In fact, with 650 million subscribers, this company has twice as many customers as the United States has people.

Don't try to use your Verizon phone in Europe because you probably can't. World's leading network? lol
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Re: why are people falling for this?

People like to spend money, that's why they fall for this.

I pay $40 monthly for Unlimited Everything and can use any GSM phone or tablet I choose.

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Re: Ahh the clueless iPhone consumer

said by Happydude32:

Get a real smartphone.

Almost half of Verizon and almost 3/4 of AT&T customers are buying a real smartphone: an iPhone, a platform that had a responsive UI and excellent web browser long before Jelly Bean brought parity. Being able to do simultaneous data and voice apparently is not an important feature according to the buying public.

Android is an excellent portable OS, but wasn't until recently a good phone OS. iOS is moving in the other direction.
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Pfft I'd sooner use a dumbphone than a POS android. You couldn't pay me to use an Android phone. I've converted nearly all of my friends from Android to iPhone without even trying b/c iOS is still better than Android and the iPhone is better hardware.

Android makers can copy-paste the iPhone and iOS it however they want phandroid but if I wanted a 5", 2lb phone just for simultaneous voice-data I guess my only option would be an Android - but in that case I'd just go back to AT&T and stick with an iPhone.


Count Zero
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I disagree, iOS hasn't advanced as rapidly as Android - but 99% of the advances in Android were just copying iOS to catch up and making small, incremental at best, updates to what iOS already had.

Android still isn't secure, their marketplace is filled with crapware and all of the hardware in the Android-world is poorly stylized after the iPhone and tends to be too large to carry comfortably in pant pockets.

Happydude32
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The iPhone is not a real smartphone. It's a trendy toy for 13 year old girls and for the technological challenged . Let's see, MMS, app switching, multi tasking, copy/paste, real turn by turn nav, all things iOS lacked. Apple finally caught up, but now the iToy lacks DLNA support, NFC, the screen is still too small. Not to mention no expandable memory . But hey, the head phone jack is now ON THE BOTTOM! Talk about revolutionary!

And FYI - The web browser on iOS, Safari Mobile is an utter joke. It sucks. Dolphin HD and Chrome completely destroy Safari.
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Happydude32
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but 99% of the advances in Android were just copying iOS to catch up and making small, incremental at best, updates to what iOS already had.
iMessage – Direct rip off of RIMs BBM

Notification Bar –Rip of off Android

Copy & Paste – My Windows Mobile PDA from 2002 could do that, my iPhone in 2010 could not

MMS – Didn’t get that until the iPhone had been out for a few years

App switching – Supported on Android natively well before iOS

Multitasking – Sure you could multitask on the iPhone, so long as you wanted to use the iPod app simultaneously with another app. Wanna listen to Pandora instead, sorry you're SOL. Could do that on Android though.

Turn by Turn Navigation – See the new Apple Maps or iMaps or whatever they call their abortion of a competitor to Google Maps

So now, what features exactly did Google copy from Apple? And don't say Siri, as voice assistant apps like Vlingo have been around on Android for a while. Android also had the whole Voice to Text thing before iOS.
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Only the entire interface. See Android pre 2007.

And many of those "lacking" features were only present on android slightly before they were on the iPhone, Apple has a much more stable release cycle tied to the annual hardware updates, that explains most of the missing features. Google maps not having turn by turn on the iPhone was largely due to the Apple and Google dispute.

And so we're clear, while you claim Apple maps is an abortion, research groups have noted that very very few actual customers have had any significant problems with them. I personally have used them several times without any errors at all. I think that android users are just upset the apples maps look so nice, latch onto a few small errors and pretend the sky is falling.

Happydude32
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Only the entire interface. See Android pre 2007
Lemme guess, nothing but rows of icons? A similar boring UI as the iPhone. Fast forward to the past few years and we have widgets that allow for more customization. But then again, Apple users no nothing about customizations they just obey the commands of their leaders.

quote:
And many of those "lacking" features were only present on android slightly before they were on the iPhone, Apple has a much more stable release cycle tied to the annual hardware updates, that explains most of the missing features.
Go ahead, keep telling yourself that, and maybe you'll eventually believe that. I'm sure Apple is waiting for DLNA and NFC to 'improve' and be ‘more stable’ as well.

quote:
And so we're clear, while you claim Apple maps is an abortion, research groups have noted that very very few actual customers have had any significant problems with them. I personally have used them several times without any errors at all.
If you say so...

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think that android users are just upset the apples maps look so nice, latch onto a few small errors and pretend the sky is falling.
Now that's pretty funny! After owning an iPhone for 16 long painstaking months, I can't think of a single thing I'm ‘upset’ at with Android over Apple. I've been using Google Nav just about every day for the past two years to do my job and never had an issue. I’d be worried if my livelihood relied on Apple Maps. And I’d rather have functionality over looks, not that I think anything on the iPhone is anything special to look at.

Sounds like someone is a little testy that Apple, while they promote themselves as some type of premium, state of the art, cutting edge company, is just the opposite and is often playing catch-up. HTC is coming out with a real 1080p display for their new One X. You Apple users will say, ‘why does anyone need a 1080p screen on a phone’. But then in three years or so when the iPhone 8S has a display resolution around 1920x1080, because heaven forbid if Apple has a standard display not some made up ‘Retina’ thing, it will be the best thing ever.
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Aww… Another phandroid in denial.