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Comments on news posted 2012-10-29 09:20:20: Residents of Kansas City are closely tracking Google's deployment of fiber services, Google only having recently lighting up its second neighborhood in the area. ..

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ISurfTooMuch

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Wait! Wait!

But I thought that no one in their right mind would want all this speed, that there's no use for it, and that projects like this are doomed to failure. Isn't that what the folks with the talcos and cable companies have been saying for years? I mean, why would they lie to us? I feel so used!

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Articles Cites One Company Relocating

Are we being asked to believe one now means a trend? I guess if folks believed the "Army of One" ads even though basic training delivers the reality of "chain of command", they'll believe this.


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Would you believe it if there were two companies relocating? 3? 10? 1000? The point is that businesses want this technology and will relocate to get it. It's similar to FIOS.


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said by morbo:

It's similar to FIOS.

except better.


morbo
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The price and service is better. I meant similar to how people will move to areas with FIOS and will avoid areas without it. It is a factor in where people live.

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Dear at&t

Listen and learn.............

jtorre69

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dear at&t

Listen and learn........you are about to become a relic..... repent and accept fiber as your savior!!!!!!

silbaco
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As expected....

Well this is no surprise. And the neighborhoods in Kansas City that were too poor or simply unpopulated enough to meet Google's perfect deployment strategy are going to go down in value. How wonderful of Google!

ISurfTooMuch

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If you were opening several stores in a city, would you scatter them randomly about, or would you locate them where they're likely to get the most business?

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Google gave all valid fiberhoods the option to register. It's just that the poorer hoods were less likely _interested_ to register. What's interesting is that low income hoods with many immigrants had high registration... it seems immigrants are more motivated by the potential (they came to America for opportunity) than non-immigrant low income hoods who don't recognize opportunity that is dangled directly in front of them.

Assuming Google stays in the ISP biz long term, is likely Google will wire up all hoods in the end but that the registration just set the priority. They already plan to expand to N and S KC in 2014.

It's actually surprising Google targeted most of the lowest income areas of KC metro to start with. They could have started with the highest income but only hit a portion of high income hoods of the metro. All of Johnson County (the highest income county of metro) is so far ignored. So you can't bash Google for ignoring low income areas as that is where they gave first opportunity. It's just that some didn't bite.


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Meanwhile they don't employ anyone

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That was the answer for Local Ruckus LLC, which is opening its new headquarters in a 2,500-square foot home in the first neighborhood scheduled to receive Google Fiber service
There is no real economic benefit if they don't employ anyone locally. These service businesses don't (they're little more than telecommuting hubs) and unless they are selling certain services in state (as opposed to out of state clients), they don't even collect sales taxes. And given they don't have many local employees, they don't have many consumables (paper, toner, etc) which means they don't pay much in local sales tax either.

Don't get me wrong, it's certainly better than nothing, but it's hardly a Google fiber jobs boom. If a factory or software company employing a 1000 local people moves to town because of Google fiber...then F-N-A but I don't see that happening.


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Re: As expected....

If this were a telco, the editorial would be about evil Google redlining.

rradina

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Re: Articles Cites One Company Relocating

That's not the point. The article claims businesses (plural) are relocating to take advantage of Google's fiber service and in turn raising property values.

The article was clearly written by someone who specializes in creating campaign ads for politicians. It's not completely a lie but once you investigate the context, it's often like the attack ads that claim someone voted against [pick your favorite topic]. What! Who would vote against [pick your favorite topic]. Further investigation then reveals that one piece of good was attached to a boatload of pork-barrel spending and that's the reason for the NO vote.

In closing, the underlying point of this articles is, don't believe everything you read.


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Re: As expected....

And as the housing/property price rises the poor get forced out and those homes and buildings get taken over by small businesses, at least until the roll out becomes more widespread, and the internet wanna be startups get culled.
If the few hundred dollars a month more for a standard highspeed connection or hosted server is the make or breakpoint of these small businesses then the increased rent/property value will promptly kill most of them off.

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Re: Meanwhile they don't employ anyone

It's about the long term impact. The goal is to nurture dozens to hundreds of startups and target 10% to take off. It's a lot cheaper for city govts to target this than try to bring in larger companies with big tax breaks or corporate welfare. Many companies start with one person. KC is already strong with entrepreneurial programs (Kauffman Foundation, UMKC) that help one person companies take off. Google fiber is an opportunity for another path.

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Re: As expected....

Depends on the business and the situation. The place where you get the most business is not necessarily the place where you have the most people or the most money. It is the place where there is a high demand for what your business offers. Pharmacies for example are very often located in lower-income parts of town just as they are in higher-income parts of town. A person may start their own business in the any available building closest to their home. A manufacturing facility may locate to the place where they can find a reasonable amount of property for sale and key access to roads and may also dependent upon where the city lets them build. That may not be most populated neighborhoods.

Google fiber is a great project, but Kansas City might not have predicted just what the project will essentially do. It will raise property values where it is deployed, which can help some higher-income people and hurt some of the lower income at the same time. For businesses that need fast fiber, it will help. For a coffee shop that doesn't, could hurt with higher property taxes. But more importantly where it is not deployed, it will only lower them. It will make that house harder to sell and it will put businesses at a competitive disadvantage to others in the city. That could ultimately drive businesses out of the area where Google is not deploying and make the lower-income parts of the city even lower. Higher income parts will suffer from greatly decreased property values. That's not going to help anyone. It is creating a digital divide within a city. Digital divides hold back everyone.

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However the vast, vast majority of the cities' neighborhoods are getting wired.

Not all of them. Not yet anyway. But they all will be eventually...I guarantee Google will include the unserved fiberhoods in a future rally to give them another chance.

xenophon

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KCMO, KCK and the metro are huge in area. The entire metro will hardly be overly gentrified by this. KCK is the lowest income area of the metro - it needs this. If anything, some down and out hoods will get an economic boost with mild rent rate increase. Once Gfiber hits upper income hoods in KC, MO next spring (downtown, Plaza, Brookside, Ward Parkway) , this will probably be moot and the lower income hoods will at best see mild gentrification since they have access and other metro cities do not.

I won't be getting Gfiber until next Fall (Westport/Plaza area) but am hoping it raises condo values in my hood. Now is the time to buy in KC (at least in valid fiberhoods).


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It seems like you are just searching for a reason to complain. No one is suggesting that Google Fiber will cure all of mankind's problems (rich vs poor, etc). There will be no digital divide since the existing providers of DSL and cable internet will still provide those services to all areas.

silbaco
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No digital divide? You don't consider 5-24mbps down/1-2mbps up DSL vs. ~1000/1000mbps a digital divide? It's like comparing dial-up to DSL, except we are dealing with higher numbers.


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Re: Meanwhile they don't employ anyone

Long term, short term, neither will matter. REGULATORY/TAX conditions in the state and city are what are going to determine whether or not jobs show up.

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said by skeechan:

Long term, short term, neither will matter. REGULATORY/TAX conditions in the state and city are what are going to determine whether or not jobs show up.

Regulatory, tax, cost of housing, energy, ease of transport, public safety and quality of schools -> educated workforce all come together to inform whether a business might want to relocate.

You also have to have enough sizzle to attract the boss. If the boss doesn't want to live in Podunk, because you have no [insert favorite ethnic adjective] deli, or Mrs. Boss is scared of the locals, it ain't gonna happen.

Sprinkling Magic Google Dust on a zip code to boost internet speeds from 10M to 1000M ... simply does not rank. Most businesses simply don't need that type of bandwidth, and for those that might, its at the hosting sites.

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Re: As expected....

Redlining...cough, err, wait a minute?


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Really, Why Is This a Surprise?

Really, why is this a surprise to anyone. With so many telecommuters today and dependent internet households, I can't even understand why this is even a topic.

Of course you want the best services when shopping for a home. No fiber, move on...

xenophon

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Re: Meanwhile they don't employ anyone

Which is why the local ecodev is going after small biz development rather than trying to entice large biz to move with massive incentives/corp welfare. KC metro already has about 3000 IT/tech shops, nearly all home grown. It's already considered high ranking in entrepreneurial development.

On a related tangent, there is rumor in KC real estate circles that Google is looking to buy the massive Sprint HQ campus in the KC area (Sprint is using only half). If true, perhaps Google is looking to base the fiber division in KC area. KC is already a top 10 telcom town and hit a list for a lot of Android developers, so is plausible.

»forum.kcrag.com/viewtopic.php?f=···le+rumor


ITALIAN926

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Re: Articles Cites One Company Relocating

Have you tried both? Have you tried either?

LOL except better. So tell me, how does Googles multi-room DVR compare to FiOS? Just as a simple example....

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shazam

Imagine that.. Create something ATT/comcast fights tooth and nail against and look, more money comes to that area.. Wow, much more different than the college kiddies with masters in BS drew up on how to bottom dollar every single thing and suck the life out of it charts seem to show....

/sarcasim

I hope google makes back their investment and then some on this experiment...


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Re: Articles Cites One Company Relocating

DVR has nothing to do with internet service.


ITALIAN926

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Yea, and where did YOU , or ANYONE specify INTERNET SERVICE?