 Oh_NoTrogglus normalus
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Re: non-apologyIt is amazing that people pretend that mp3 players, smart phones, and tablets did not exist before the ipod, iphone, and ipad.
Its like when apple tried to say they invented the word app that we all have used for file sharing over modems since before you could even get internet access. |
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KearnstdSpace Elf
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Re: hahahaApple does not have a lot of bank or firepower outside of the US and China. The US because they can purchase our political systems and China because their products employ so many workers.
What could they do in the UK? threaten to close the Apple stores in the malls?
Certainly isnt like Apple would ever build anything in the western world, Western workers expect things like a reasonable paycheck. that would eat into 300% profit per device. |
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picture
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It is time that states start exercising the good-behavior clauses in their corporate charter laws. In essence, they are a 'death penalty' for corporate evil doers. I think large fines would be more appropriate in this particular (Apple contempt) case but enforcing the corporate death penalty would likely deter businesses from ignoring environmental, safety, consumer protection, and all the other laws they feel are annoying impediments to their God-given right to earn profits. No doubt Texas would be executing corporations left and right but I would be Ok with that  |
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moonpuppy (banned)
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Re: Apple is operated by childrensaid by fiberguy2:It's not the court's place to order an apology.. talk about childish.
If you said your neighbor tore up your yard, you sue them, and at the end of the case the judge disagrees with your case as presented, would you want the court to make you post a public sign in your yard where you're made to say "I'm sorry I sued my neighbor, he did nothing wrong"... It's not the court's place.. it's a civil court case, not criminal.
The court is way out of line...
In your example, the courts could also dismiss the case "with prejudice" which would not only say you were wrong but you also had to pay the legal fees of the other party. I would rather apologize then pay the other side's legal fees. |
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Re: hahahaMaybe it's me, but looks like Apple just removed the link from the site and didn't update it? Anyone else seeing this? |
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Re: non-apologysaid by jjeffeory:Haha, I just read what Apple posted. That is NOT an apology!
It's not even a non-apology apology. |
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said by KrK:said by Oh_No:Apple just loves stealing everyone else's ideas and designs. ... and patenting them, and then suing. Why innovate when you can litigate? |
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Re: Apple is operated by childrensaid by buddahbless:You can teach children seems you can't teach apple. Microsoft is heaven sent compared to Apple and this non apology.
If I was the UK courts I'd allow Samsung to counter sue ( under some form of defamation of character) for the amounts that were awarded in the US and Germany simply because those damaging remarks were included in there non apology.
Sounds like a job for Super Nanny!  |
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67845017 (banned)
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The doucehbag is dead, but the douchebaggery lives on. |
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gateguy
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gateguy
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2012-Nov-2 9:49 am
ClarificationIf the first attempt at an 'apology' was not to the courts liking, I would ask the court for the exact text to use.
Otherwise, the court could continue this forever.
Also interesting, to just be a dick, I would use 72 point font and be very long winded in the apology (72 is at least an 11 point font) |
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 BonezXBasement Dweller
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Re: Apple is operated by childrensaid by moonpuppy:said by fiberguy2:It's not the court's place to order an apology.. talk about childish.
If you said your neighbor tore up your yard, you sue them, and at the end of the case the judge disagrees with your case as presented, would you want the court to make you post a public sign in your yard where you're made to say "I'm sorry I sued my neighbor, he did nothing wrong"... It's not the court's place.. it's a civil court case, not criminal.
The court is way out of line...
In your example, the courts could also dismiss the case "with prejudice" which would not only say you were wrong but you also had to pay the legal fees of the other party. I would rather apologize then pay the other side's legal fees. Britain is a loser pays system, so Apple does more or less have to pay legal fees. just like most other countries other then America. |
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Re: ClarificationThe court has better things to do than hassle a company. If Apple had given a true apology, there would be no need for the court to redirect...
Believe me, the courts are busy and have MUCH more pressing matters than addressing the childish BS Apple pulled. |
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Re: non-apologyI agree. Crazy games... |
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2012-Nov-2 11:51 am
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Re: ClarificationYou can get away with that kind of childish behaviour if you're a corporation in the US. In Britain it would be regarded [correctly] as a deliberate attempt to show contempt for the court. Up to two years in prison and and an unlimited fine. All they had to do was do what the court ordered and nobody would have paid any attention. Now they look like they're run by five year old kids. Instead they chose to thumb their nose at the court. Smacking may be outlawed in the US, but it's still legal in Britain, at least if you piss off a judge. |
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2012-Nov-2 1:19 pm
The queen's apologyWe are sorry you were offended by what we did. |
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gateguy
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Re: ClarificationThen the court should have stated exactly what they wanted.
I would have done the exact minimum per the court decision, meaning
From Apple
Sorry
Samsung did not copy Apple
End from Apple
Not one word more. |
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That's in the eye of the beholder. |
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Re: Apple is operated by childrensaid by BonezX:Britain is a loser pays system, so Apple does more or less have to pay legal fees.
just like most other countries other then America.
The British legal system also does not look kindly upon what are called "vexatious litigants." People who frequently launch meritless lawsuits solely for the harassment value can be denied access to the courts in the future. The sort of passive-aggressive behavior that American lawyers engage in would get them disbarred in most developed nations. The court system is less clogged up when the lawyers aren't pursuing every technicality to slow down the process. This saves money for the litigants, it saves money for the taxpayer, and it provides better access to justice. |
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Re: that was?said by decifal7:I just read the apology.. Was it an actual apology? I couldn't tell with all the bullcrap
It's the standard "politician's apology." Not "I apologize for doing wrong to you," but "I regret that you felt were offended." In other words, it's not my fault for doing bad stuff -- it's your fault for objecting to my doing bad stuff. We hear it on TV all the time, and it's become the standard form of apology in America. It's a good thing that the British haven't changed the meaning of the word "apology." An apology means nothing if it's twisted like that. |
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Re: Clarificationsaid by MrWhooHooHoo :You can get away with that kind of childish behaviour if you're a corporation in the US. In Britain it would be regarded [correctly] as a deliberate attempt to show contempt for the court. Up to two years in prison and and an unlimited fine. All they had to do was do what the court ordered and nobody would have paid any attention. Now they look like they're run by five year old kids. Instead they chose to thumb their nose at the court. Smacking may be outlawed in the US, but it's still legal in Britain, at least if you piss off a judge.
Indeed. British law tends to put more emphasis on the spirit of the law, rather than the exact wording. You simply cannot get away with the sort of childish games that American lawyers play. |
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67845017 (banned)
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Re: Apple is operated by childrensaid by tanzam75:said by BonezX:Britain is a loser pays system, so Apple does more or less have to pay legal fees.
just like most other countries other then America.
The sort of passive-aggressive behavior that American lawyers engage in would get them disbarred in most developed nations. The court system is less clogged up when the lawyers aren't pursuing every technicality to slow down the process. This saves money for the litigants, it saves money for the taxpayer, and it provides better access to justice. Care to elaborate? |
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Apple posts NEW apology in UK» news.cnet.com/8301-13579 ··· 1_3-0-20Here is what the apology says:  On 9th July 2012 the High Court of Justice of England and Wales ruled that Samsung Electronic (UK) Limited's Galaxy Tablet Computer, namely the Galaxy Tab 10.1, Tab 8.9 and Tab 7.7 do not infringe Apple's registered design No. 0000181607-0001. A copy of the full judgment of the High court is available on the following link www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Patents/2012/1882.html. That Judgment has effect throughout the European Union and was upheld by the Court of Appeal on 18 October 2012. A copy of the Court of Appeal's judgment is available on the following link www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2012/1339.html. There is no injunction in respect of the registered design in force anywhere in Europe. Doesn't sound like an apology to me. Just that they lost a court case. |
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2012-Nov-3 11:12 am
Still NothingI find it interesting that not even the older, childish "non-apology" is gone, but has not been replaced with anything of substance. There is a link at the bottom of the Apple's UK home page, but it only seems to refer to two court documents. There is nothing resembling an apology and that does nothing to repair the harm done to Samsung. Surely Apple doesn't expect the average consumer to go through all of that "legalese" to figure out that that message is supposed to pass for an apology.
As I understand it, the order also said that it should be prominently displayed. Having to scroll down to the bottom of the page, even on a 1920x1200 display, cannot be called "prominently displayed", not even if you're Phil Schiller or an Apple lawyer. The order should have instructed them to move the iPad mini nonsense down and put the link first. That would be prominently displayed.
I don't think Samsung is altogether innocent, but Apple should not be allowed to get away with this sort of nonsense, particularly what they have been trying to do in U.S. courts.
Mark my words, if they don't change soon, Apple's own arrogance will ultimately be their undoing. |
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Re: Apple posts NEW apology in UKit also isn't very prominent. |
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 SimbaSevenI Void Warranties
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said by FFH5:Doesn't sound like an apology to me. Just that they lost a court case. I don't think Apple knows how to apologize. |
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