Comments on news posted 2012-11-14 08:17:15: "We just got it today and I’ve been stuck in front of my laptop for the last few hours," Mike Demarais, founder of Threedee, tells Ars Technica about his new Google Fiber connection. "It’s unbelievable. I’m probably not going to leave the house. ..
Yeah he can download that page in .002 seconds instead of .1 seconds. Imagine all the time he is saving!
Speeds like this are only good if you are doing major file transfers(or BitTorrent activity) OR have a residence with a 1/2 dozen people all trying to watch HD movies at the same time. For web browsing it means nothing over what the average cable customer is getting.
even if you had 6 people watching Netflix( which only allows 2 devices at a time by the way ) at 4800 kbps that would be just under 29 Mbps. Even if you had double that for overhead that's 58 Mbps. 700 Mbps is overkill at this point. But they're ready for 20 years from now.
I honestly cannot see how anyone can really say anything negative about the service at that price point compared to other services, that is directed to the poster above who says it's overkill.
I honestly cannot see how anyone can really say anything negative about the service at that price point compared to other services, that is directed to the poster above who says it's overkill.
It's just the usual anti-consumer, anti-Google ranters bitching about it. Ignore them.
I honestly cannot see how anyone can really say anything negative about the service at that price point compared to other services, that is directed to the poster above who says it's overkill.
20 Years? i really can't tell if you are trolling or just clueless. Try at least 200 terabits 20 years from now, and by then we'll also have other neat things like computers that fit inside your cells.
I guess i could excuse you for being so short sighted when predicting the future, but you have no excuse not remembering the past. Do you have any clue just how much faster Google's connection is than what you used ~20 years ago? It's about 69,444.4 times faster than what you used back then, and you think we're still going to be using gigabit connections 20 years from now? Come on, no one is that stupid. stop trolling!
Flying cars are not an information technology. Anything that becomes an information technology becomes susceptible to the exponential growth that has been happening very visibly for decades. (it was happening before then too, but too slowly to be that noticeable)
And at this point we don't even need to wait decades to see it. It took decades for personal computers to become mainstream. Smart phones and tablets took only a fraction of that time to become mainstream. Prices for tablet-like technology will become so cheap in less than a decade that owning one will be about as special as owning a magazine.
I thought people here that consider themselves somewhat "geek" would understand how this works better than your average Joe. Clearly i was wrong.
We've been on the path to an era of information abundance for some time now in case you haven't noticed.
So while predicting things like flying cars, missions to Mars and things like that have proved to be very inaccurate and difficult. It's just simply not the case for information technologies.
He is pretty much spot on with everything he said, except for the bit where the consoles he talks about turned out to be actually more than just monitors but full fledged computers. However, he is still right since those computers connect to much more powerful ones to get the information he talks about (he's basically predicting Google)
So, be as skeptic as you want when it comes to this. (which boggles the mind since all you have to do is look at were we were 20 years ago and how far we've come)
So i guess you're really going to be shocked when in just 2-3 years you can buy a fully featured 50 dollar tablet.
And objects are already starting to be an information technology. So who knows, that flying car might happen after all. (i won't be holding my breath on that one though)
Go to the bank, and if possible ask for brand new printed dollars (you have to do this before January 2013 of course) That way, you are sure you have 2012 made dollars.
Now, take the brand new 50 dollars you got from the bank and put them in a box (a safe if you have one is preferable)
You then wait 2-3 years for the 50 dollar tablet to come out, at which point you head to the safe and take the 50 dollars you put there and buy your 50 dollar tablet. (tax not included)
If you have any more questions don't hesitate to ask, because as you can see i don't mind answering them no matter how stupid they are or how stupid the person asking it is. (hard to tell which is which, most of the time it's both)
$50 in the next few years very well may be devalued by a lot so I wouldn't be putting down bets like that. Federal Reserve is activities trying to devalue the US dollar against world currencies and that could mean a can a coke will cost $50 in the next 5 years.
Also businesses put a floor on how cheap things can be made for, there is a point where it doesn't make sense to bother being in a certain business. $50 Tablet just becomes a generic widget but it's to complicated to get that cheap with a decent resolution, features etc. Plain Jane black and white??/ Probbaly could be done right now but no money to be made in that.
Oh crap I did some checking real fast and I may be proving myself wrong...LOL. What do you consider a tablet because here is one for $80. »www.amazon.com/PanDigita ··· 97011_12
Depending on what you want the $50 tablet may be here for X-mas.
Oh crap I did some checking real fast and I may be proving myself wrong...LOL. What do you consider a tablet because here is one for $80. »www.amazon.com/PanDigita ··· 97011_12
Depending on what you want the $50 tablet may be here for X-mas.
I bought one of those last year. You get what you pay for.
$50 Tablet just becomes a generic widget but it's to complicated to get that cheap with a decent resolution, features etc. Plain Jane black and white??/ Probbaly could be done right now but no money to be made in that.
I did say fully featured. And i didn't say right now, but 2-3 years from now.
What i'm saying is, you can expect a tablet that is probably more powerful than the nexus 7 (or at least on par with it) 2-3 years from now at a 50 dollar price point. And it will probably be thinner and lighter too.
I actually think I'm being rather conservative with my estimate.
$50 Tablet just becomes a generic widget but it's to complicated to get that cheap with a decent resolution, features etc. Plain Jane black and white??/ Probbaly could be done right now but no money to be made in that.
I did say fully featured. And i didn't say right now, but 2-3 years from now.
What i'm saying is, you can expect a tablet that is probably more powerful than the nexus 7 (or at least on par with it) 2-3 years from now at a 50 dollar price point. And it will probably be thinner and lighter too.
I actually think I'm being rather conservative with my estimate.
never.... even if you factor in inflation. You will see a can of coke for $50 before you see a tablet.
Your post is so wrong on so many levels. With our production in China most of our costs are driven up by middle men/comod exchange sellers. However as more people learn to buy from from overseas and bypass the reselling fat cats general prices in the US are starting to drop fast. I bought a 8" tablet with wifi/HSPA for $49 6 months ago direct from China (Android 512k memory 8GB storage). Not super spec but browses web well and plays flash and that was 6 months ago. The estimate of 2-3 years may be even shorter than that. Hell you can get a Raspberry Pi (raspberrypi.org) for $35. Stick that in a cheap Chinese lcd tablet case you have a nice 1080p full computer for $50 now. It will happen.
even if you had 6 people watching Netflix( which only allows 2 devices at a time by the way ) at 4800 kbps that would be just under 29 Mbps. Even if you had double that for overhead that's 58 Mbps. 700 Mbps is overkill at this point. But they're ready for 20 years from now.
it depends on the plan you have. On the Netflix plan I'm on, I can use four devices concurrently to stream from Netflix.
even if you had 6 people watching Netflix( which only allows 2 devices at a time by the way ) at 4800 kbps that would be just under 29 Mbps. Even if you had double that for overhead that's 58 Mbps. 700 Mbps is overkill at this point. But they're ready for 20 years from now.
even if you had 6 people watching Netflix( which only allows 2 devices at a time by the way ) at 4800 kbps that would be just under 29 Mbps. Even if you had double that for overhead that's 58 Mbps. 700 Mbps is overkill at this point. But they're ready for 20 years from now.
with netflix throttling you'll NEVER netflix at those rates. remember that review that showed the fastest netflix results[fios] at only 2500kbps!
Yeah he can download that page in .002 seconds instead of .1 seconds. Imagine all the time he is saving!
These speeds might not be for you....I'm guessing here...they're not.
But for the many, hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands and so on of people who pay more for something 100th the speed of this or worse, we'd gladly take it for the same price (or cheaper for that) than what we pay now.
Not all of us are BitTorrent nerds or even dl one illegal thing. There are countless folks out there, and in these forums, that have a house that have MULTIPLE (ie...a dozen or more) devices constantly pounding away on the silly "up to 10Mb" connection (if you're lucky to get those speeds). Care to guess what happens to that 10Mb connection? It goes poop.
Current telcos/cablecos need to get with it and give society what they want now vs when they decide it's time.
The internet will become a necessity whether anyone here thinks it or not. There's not a single person in my life, family, work, personal or just mere acquaintances that aren't connected to the interweb in some form or another.
Yeah he can download that page in .002 seconds instead of .1 seconds. Imagine all the time he is saving!
I pay over $70 for 25/2.5 so yes, it would be nice to get a boatload of more speed for the same price. But then again of course you have to come in with the opposing view everytime. Nice work.
No, No, No.. This is Google preparing for entry into the transporter business and the necessity to transfer thousands of Petabytes from one location to another. Can anyone say Energize.
Except for the fact most people HAVE to leave the house for things such as WORK to pay for things such as the electric bill , taxes , mortgage or rent and buy things such as food .
well - do I move to Colorado for the 'rocky mountain high' or Kansas City for the 1 gig internet - decisions decisions......
To hell with Colorado. it sucks the life out of fun cars, specially if they are N/A. Turbos also take a hit but not nearly as bad, and no gigabit Internet? If you like your cars like you like your internet i just made your choice easier :P
well - do I move to Colorado for the 'rocky mountain high' or Kansas City for the 1 gig internet - decisions decisions......
To hell with Colorado. it sucks the life out of fun cars, specially if they are N/A. Turbos also take a hit but not nearly as bad, and no gigabit Internet? If you like your cars like you like your internet i just made your choice easier :P
I could actually do an online backup without taking weeks for it to complete.
I have the FIOS 150/65 service and I thought I could use my fast connection to do online backups. Services I've tried will only allow me to do a few megabits upstream. The fastest one I've used is Amazon services which have let me do around 40Mb/sec upstream.
Google, carbonite, etc. seem to have pitiful upstream allowances on their services for some reason, I'm sure they have the bandwidth. I'd like to hear other's experiences.
This isn't being talked about at all. There's a lot of opportunity for a paradigm shift here. The DVR/STB box has relatively more open, bi-directional APIs that will allow for sophisticated apps to be created on the remote (which is a Nexus tablet). There can be much more interactivity between the channel being watched and the tablet with ties into Google ecosystem, like Google Wallet.
Advertisers could simultaneously place an ad in a frame in tablet remote app during commercial on TV. Click on the tablet ad, product can be directly purchased with Google wallet. Advertisers love impulse buys. The cable/sat operators don't have a broad enough ecosystem to do things like this and they don't want 3rd parties developing apps on their system.
It depends on if Google can convince advertisers and content providers to explore a new ecosystem for TV way beyond Hulu and Tivo.
I don't understand why there are so many negative comments here. The reason we don't use the extra bandwidth is because it is not available across our entire infrastructure.
Videos don't stream in uncompressed 1080P (OR HIGHER), music is not downloaded & streamed at lossless or near lossless quality, images are compressed, files are zipped & compressed, large updates for drivers and updates are compressed, and if the download is large enough it actually takes quite a while to decompress.
As someone mentioned above, you can back up your entire hard drive or access your files remotely without everything taking FOREVER. Now, my hard drive would take several days to back up online with my current connection, whereas I used to have to wait all night to download an update to a game on 56K.
I play games in the 10GB range now, and one of the reasons they are not more widely distributed digitally is because a lot of people don't want to spend the time to download a file that large on DSL or 10MB cable line.
Think of your mobile phone connection, you have a 2GB cap so it limits your ability to use it.
Here you have people paying $70 a month for gb symmetrical for the same price many people pay for 25mbps down. Hell, let's charge you that and put you back on DSL if you are happy with it.
Bring on high quality internet, uncompressed 1080P is 6MB per FRAME.
We have compressed voice, compressed video chat, compressed freaking everything.
Why bash the guy for testing his new connection on a legal torrent? What other large files do you suggest he uses?
Do we need 1GBPS now? Hell no, only businesses do.
Should we be upgrading our infrastructure to support future technology? Hell YES!
You old sad sorry sons of b*s grow up, stop stifling technological growth... Grumpy old men...
What the hell are you trolls doing on a website about broadband growth and technology if you are too air headed or unintelligent to remember that people were using 1.44mb floppy disks 15 years ago that couldn't fit an entire power point presentation on it, and you could barely download images, BUT YOU COULD SURE READ TEXT LIKE A NEWS PAPER QUITE SNAPPY on 14.4KBPS MODEMS! Now you have USB sticks that fit in your pocket that hold 64GB or more.
Go buy a newspaper, get off the internet troll.
BF69, you are truly disappointing, you of all people should know the current state of our broadband infrastructure since you have been here since 2004. I guess you like megacorporations like the monopolized internet and tv market, recording industry, motion picture industry, screwing us royally on prices because customers like you don't ask for anything better and shell out maximum prices every single month to get what is just good enough for the masses, while they reap massive profits and pillage government funds out of our pockets that are supposed to be used to build out networks, and the networks never come, and they never get better.
We are starting to see the light with LTE finally, but for god sakes stop with telling people it's overkill, it's not. Why isn't LTE being built out faster? No landlines to support the bandwidth wirelessly.
As awesome as this is, he is only getting 60-70% of what he is paying for. Some would say it is great, don't complain. But if it were At&t or Comcast, most would say that is completely unacceptable. Granted this guy may not have hardware capable of the speeds, but the significant difference in upload and download makes me think he is not the bottleneck. If he where, the speeds would be nearly identical.
If I paid for gigabit service, I would expect gigabit speeds.
Having never had any real internet options (3g was it but the trees just hammer it to the point of where its basically dialup)... If I where to have these speeds, i'd probably buy a case of bawls or redbull and just enjoy the internet for a change for a couple weeks
I have a 100/100 connection at work. I barely find servers that feed me files at 100/100 . How are you going to find servers that can serve you files for a gigabit?
I think as of right now anything over 100/100 is overkill.
I see a lot of people saying, "its too much. There are very few things that would use that type of line."
It isnt about the now people and google even said that. It is about the future and innovation just like broadband did to dialup. If people never get connections faster than what there is now because ISps think we dont need it, they wont ever have to upgrade their networks and innovation and growth will stifle.
I am glad the tech industry never listened to the naysayers back in the day, "Who needs more than 1MB RAM. Who needs a 30MB HDD" Jesus we would be in the stone age still with computers.
I invite you to watch the anime "Ghost in a Shell" this is the future. In a 100 years people will be themselves will be directly connected via digital implants. Right now we are just at the beginning. In Ghost in a Shell the is mention of badly damaged Veterans being Cyberisted with android bodies identical to their not longer functional real ones, with either their brains,or their "ghosts' transfered to these new bodies, as a Veteran working in a Veteran's Hospital I think that would be a great thing for someone who has nothing functioning below the neck thanks to battle wounds.
The fact that for 70$/mo you can get speeds of nearly 700 mbps is a wake up call for the monopolies/duopolies.
If Google is offing this price for 700 mbps than there is NO reason AT all why we are paying 50-100$/mo for 30mbps or so.
As for BF69 and others like him I would bet that he is probably a PR or viral marketing agent for the communications cable/telco industry or maybe a lobbyist for them. Put him and others like him on eternal ignore, since they clearly NOT the typical customer that you and I are.
When Google created their browser, Chrome, it stated purpose was that the state of browsers at the time were abysmal and Chrome would push other browser vendors to create better browsers to help move the web forward, technically. This has happened.
Today, Google's stated purpose of building their own network is to show what can be done so other providers will improve their service to help move communications forward. This will happen.
Google's purpose for doing both is to make the web and TV better so they can sell more ads (whether you also believe in their love of technology or not).